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10000 days in the fire
05-03-2006, 05:43 AM
Does any one else keep seeing these numbers?
I have my theory on these numbers just wanted to know yours.

seronr
05-03-2006, 05:46 AM
Does any one else keep seeing these numbers?
I have my theory on these numbers just wanted to know yours.

Keep seeing, no. But I could think of at least 2 reasons why that combination of numbers might be significant to someone depending on their perspective.

10000 days in the fire
05-03-2006, 05:49 AM
Would u like to share the significance and the perspective

seronr
05-03-2006, 05:53 AM
11 is a very significant number within astrology/numerology, as is 22. 1+1=2:1+1=2. 22. I hear the Tour Magdala in Rennes le Chateau has 22 turrets. But I wouldn't know anything about that.

arcane
05-03-2006, 09:14 AM
There's a whole 'community' thing on 11:11:

http://www.1111spiritguardians.com/

I have my own reasons for my interest in these numbers.

tooltgle
05-03-2006, 11:06 AM
I'm gonna call coincidence on this one

TurdEye13
05-03-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm gonna call coincidence on this one

me too

toocooltool
05-03-2006, 11:34 AM
coincidence
coincidence
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coincidence


(11 times.. just to be safe...)

polly wants a cracker
05-03-2006, 11:45 AM
Utter bullshit.

carlylecastle
05-03-2006, 12:06 PM
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
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coincidence


(11 times.. just to be safe...)
Thanks

arcane
05-03-2006, 12:26 PM
By the way, I'm not endorsing that site in any way. I happened upon it via a random search (Like I said, I have a thing about '11').

question93
05-03-2006, 12:46 PM
11 is the number of Nuit.

Dr. Jake Destructo
05-03-2006, 08:52 PM
That site was ridiculous.

Kochipahk
05-03-2006, 09:13 PM
I seem to notice 11:11 too. Not kidding. I always seem to notice the clock at 11:11 P.M. There also happens to be a song called 11:11 P.M., but the band who plays it (All-American Rejects) pretty much sucks. It's my sister's music, for the measure.

So it stuck out like a sore thumb when I saw this song was 11:11 long.

EDIT: As a sidenote, that website is bullshit.

arcane
05-03-2006, 10:49 PM
Like I said, I'm not endorsing it. It is ridiculous. But I knew I'd seen a reference to it before.

11Reflections11
05-04-2006, 01:22 AM
ooooooo look at my name oooooo ooooo ooooooooo scary oooooo

Neil
05-04-2006, 01:58 AM
When Maynard is interviewed by the asian girl , when he's wearing the silly sunglasses, he mentions synchronicity and 11:11. I've also heard Uri Geller (the spoon bending fella) talk about synchronicity and 11:11.

Metalgod666
05-04-2006, 04:14 AM
coincidence

Jon08
05-04-2006, 11:57 AM
most of the album is in 11/8 time also. not that that matters...

prime weed
05-04-2006, 01:56 PM
i always ask for something in my mind, when i look at a clock and it says 11:11

10000 days in the fire
05-04-2006, 02:54 PM
I'm telling you all 11:11 means something because its just freaky how you can see that exact time so often. Like pulling your phone out your pocket and it saying 11:11 eceryday it starts to freak you out. The angle theory is one i have heard of before and also a devil one but all in all i have no idea and now that tool are putting 11's every were my head is freaking out

xPOGOx
05-04-2006, 02:58 PM
Lipan Conjuring is 1:11.

Vigenti Tres, the track that quite possibly makes the LEAST sense (also, I've heard people claim that the sounds in this track are of space craft) is track 11.

Wings for Marie (Part 1) is x:11, and 10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2) is 11:xx.

The 11th track on Lateralus (Reflection) is just over 11 minutes long.

Pillar of faith
05-05-2006, 02:27 AM
Personnally I always look at the clock at 4:20..... go figure!

toocooltool
05-05-2006, 02:29 AM
Thanks

You are very much welcome sir.

Kevin_Raven
05-05-2006, 06:36 AM
There was a thread a while back about 11:11 in the forum for jimmy - the number 11 is mentioned there as well. I think it's probably not a coincidence that the length of this song is 11:11 and there are so many other 11's in the album.

win
05-05-2006, 07:55 AM
Does any one else keep seeing these numbers?
I have my theory on these numbers just wanted to know yours.

Yeah I got a pretty good theory I think: I have been spending a lot of time in the forum for Wings (pt.2) and the conclusion is that that song is about his mothers paralysis. 10000 days is a little more than 27 years which is who long his mother was payalyzed before passing on. He was eleven when it started (check Jimmy for reference). That explain the reoccurence of the reference. This next part is going out on a huge limb and i don't necessarily buy it, but on the forum and after looking at the lyrics and lsitening to the songs some people speculate part 1 is before his mothers paralysis or at least up to that point and not through it. it talks about her influence in his life and ends with him asking why this has now happened to her. 6:11 the 11 is at the end. Part 2 begins with him talking about the paralysis and coming to terms with it. 11:13 the 11 is at the begging. So I think it MIGHT be that the first song about his mother in his life up until age 11 and part 2 is after 11 with him trying to cope with it. I couldn't explain the 6 or the 13 and i know all that is out there, but the first part is definitely the explinaiton for the reoccurance

win
05-05-2006, 07:56 AM
Yeah I got a pretty good theory I think: I have been spending a lot of time in the forum for Wings (pt.2) and the conclusion is that that song is about his mothers paralysis. 10000 days is a little more than 27 years which is who long his mother was payalyzed before passing on. He was eleven when it started (check Jimmy for reference). That explain the reoccurence of the reference. This next part is going out on a huge limb and i don't necessarily buy it, but on the forum and after looking at the lyrics and lsitening to the songs some people speculate part 1 is before his mothers paralysis or at least up to that point and not through it. it talks about her influence in his life and ends with him asking why this has now happened to her. 6:11 the 11 is at the end. Part 2 begins with him talking about the paralysis and coming to terms with it. 11:13 the 11 is at the begging. So I think it MIGHT be that the first song about his mother in his life up until age 11 and part 2 is after 11 with him trying to cope with it. I couldn't explain the 6 or the 13 and i know all that is out there, but the first part is definitely the explinaiton for the reoccurance

PS I have NO IDEA what it has to do with the message of rosetta stoned :)

but I assure you listening to Jimmy and hearing dozens of references to 11 and '1 and 1' will assure you that this isn't bullshit

xineax
05-05-2006, 08:34 AM
Read some Crowley and his view on 11. Most likely that one of the song lengths turning out to be 11:11 is not coincidence, but more like a "fuck with" to inspire conversations like this.

10000 days in the fire
05-05-2006, 03:05 PM
Read some Crowley and his view on 11. Most likely that one of the song lengths turning out to be 11:11 is not coincidence, but more like a "fuck with" to inspire conversations like this.

And thats wat we all want really

Lamb & Martyr^
05-05-2006, 03:12 PM
Jimmy anyone?
1 is 1.

mad017
05-05-2006, 03:22 PM
And thats wat we all want really

it most certainly is... themore discussio whihc is sparked the more we can get differnt people's views and opinions on not only tool songs but various matters in whcih they relate too... great stuff guys

WitlessLiar
05-05-2006, 04:13 PM
11:11 is supposed to be the time (or 11 is the number...) of self-awareness of soemthing like that.

Awhile ago in the Jimmy subforum someone posted about it. He said (of course it wasn't right on the surface level) that MJK refers to 11 as the number he sees when he finds himself. It has to do with the global consciousness bullshit that made me love tool :)

a788
05-05-2006, 04:17 PM
it's not that you see it more, it's because it stands out and you have subconsciously/consciously taken notice to it. So, of course, it's going to seem like you see it more than the others even though your not.

iuguolo
05-05-2006, 07:56 PM
Personnally I always look at the clock at 4:20..... go figure!

Kent?

Read some Crowley and his view on 11. Most likely that one of the song lengths turning out to be 11:11 is not coincidence, but more like a "fuck with" to inspire conversations like this.

that sounds about right. they got us thinking though.

Carny_Handles
05-05-2006, 09:08 PM
I always see 11:11 on clocks, I've gotten to a point when i know it will say 11:11

funny story, i also saw 101 on my phone clock but it looked like lol.. i lol'd

10000 days in the fire
05-05-2006, 10:48 PM
it's not that you see it more, it's because it stands out and you have subconsciously/consciously taken notice to it. So, of course, it's going to seem like you see it more than the others even though your not.

11:11 is a time that i always see even if i dont want to know the time if i glance at a clock there a high chance it says 11:11. i understand were your coming from but with me it' not a subconcious thing.

Dolophane
05-05-2006, 10:53 PM
*looks at clock*

Fuckin' hell...it's 1:52. I'm no good at this.

1shane22
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Does any one else keep seeing these numbers?
I have my theory on these numbers just wanted to know yours.
I read every post in this thread and didnt see one mention of "Jimmy" from aenema. Also the clock on Maynards desk in the 10,000 days cd is at 11:00 o'clock.

matthewx
05-06-2006, 05:01 AM
There is a movie called "11:11" Watch it, it's pretty scary. I think it explains the 11:11 stuff pretty well. I don't remember seeing it in theaters, it was just something i randomly rented.

TheGreatDPF
05-06-2006, 06:41 AM
Welcome, TheGreatDPF.
You last visited: Yesterday at 11:11 PM
Private Messages: Unread 0, Total 0.

(thats really the last time i visited and it wasnt intensional) lol...strange

Alcawhorlick
05-06-2006, 08:04 AM
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence
coincidence


(11 times.. just to be safe...)


Oh yeah, I bet.
I bet its also a coincidence that your name has exactly how many letters in it? OH,right... 11.




I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence that track length is 11:11 on rosetta.
someone in tool is a bit of a fan of Coast to Coast AM/Art Bell. That Uri Geller dude is on that a lot, talking about 11's and such
It's probably a reference to that, probably for humor.

http://www.uri-geller.com/articles/11.htm

I think the dude is just looking for shit related to the number 11

Hah, then a few minutes after posting this, I head to the kitchen to get some breakfast, walk past my bedroom and look through the doorway at the alarm clock.

11:11.

oh my

Helios
05-06-2006, 09:39 AM
The point of 11:11 is tha you notice it because you notice it. You see, over time, just as many other times on the clock, but you don't notice them. Do you keep track of every time you see 14:52? No. The point of 11:11 is that once you know about it, it becomes true for you.

11:11 has a lot of meaning for me. It's a great example of selective memory. It's a great example of noticing something simply because you notice it. It's something that, for me, is liked to drug taking as well. Certain drugs maybe can attune you more to the meaning of 11:11. I kind of doubt that it's really coincidence. At the very least I'm sure Tool are aware of the significance. You notice things more once you become aware of them. This leads to superstitions.

Anyway, hopefully that gives some idea of one of the meanings of 11:11.

cadav
05-06-2006, 09:45 AM
I always put down noticing 1's on clocks because it's the only number that it is possible for clocks to show 4 times during the day.

ie
1.11 am/pm
11.11 am/pm

whereas you only see 2.22 or 3.33 4.44 half as many times. So 1.11 stands out more cause you may notice it twice as much as the rest.

iuguolo
05-07-2006, 12:49 AM
Numbers 11:11
11 He asked the LORD, "Why have you brought this trouble on your servant? What have I done to displease you that you put the burden of all these people on me?
^^
i thought that was slightly relevant. i havent read the entire passage yet though.


John 11:11
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."

^^
i just thoguht that was funny

xPOGOx
05-07-2006, 12:54 AM
I always put down noticing 1's on clocks because it's the only number that it is possible for clocks to show 4 times during the day.

ie
1.11 am/pm
11.11 am/pm

whereas you only see 2.22 or 3.33 4.44 half as many times. So 1.11 stands out more cause you may notice it twice as much as the rest.
Ones may show up twice as often, but two times 0.13% is still pretty fucking rare.

xPOGOx
05-07-2006, 12:58 AM
Numbers 11:11
11 He asked the LORD, "Why have you brought this trouble on your servant? What have I done to displease you that you put the burden of all these people on me?
^^
i thought that was slightly relevant. i havent read the entire passage yet though.


John 11:11
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."

^^
i just thoguht that was funny
JUDITH 11:11

And now, that my lord be not defeated and frustrate of his
purpose, even death is now fallen upon them, and their sin hath
overtaken them, wherewith they will provoke their God to anger
whensoever they shall do that which is not fit to be done:

---

Not sure if this is of any significance...but so long as we're going for passages from the bible, let's not pick books randomly and see what sounds like it might possibly sort of sound right.

CaseLogic
05-07-2006, 02:21 PM
most of the album is in 11/8 time also. not that that matters...

What? No

waXresilienT
05-07-2006, 03:40 PM
um don't you think all it is is that you give it more weight? you see clocks and numbers that are different than this all the time but it doesn't hold a signifigance. Therefore you don't think about it.

Matt8
05-07-2006, 03:45 PM
OMG 11!!!!! MY L1F3 I5 CHANG3D!!!!

win
05-07-2006, 08:12 PM
look the clock thing has no relevance. It has nothing to do with whether or not 11 is a significant symbol in tool's music. 11 is when MJKs mom was paralyzed. Many of his songs are about here and make reference to 11. This album is named after his mother's struggle. The issue of seeing it every where else in life outside the album is completely irrelevant. The issue is that it has symbolic significance for MJK and thus, there is most likely and explanation for its reoccurance in the album. The question ought to be more 'is this an example of that symbolism or not? if so why and what function does it serve?'

bluenote
05-13-2006, 03:03 PM
ooooooo look at my name oooooo ooooo ooooooooo scary oooooo


Ha!

ridinlost@aol.com
05-15-2006, 12:45 AM
Lipan Conjuring is 1:11.

Vigenti Tres, the track that quite possibly makes the LEAST sense (also, I've heard people claim that the sounds in this track are of space craft) is track 11.

Wings for Marie (Part 1) is x:11, and 10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2) is 11:xx.

The 11th track on Lateralus (Reflection) is just over 11 minutes long.

I think you are lookinng way too much into this. If you look for something that appears to be significant you see it everywhere.

Also, about seeing it all the time everyday, thats just because 11:11 is a more memerable number than 10:53 or 9:14. I think also that because of the little superstitions about making a wish on 11:11 or bullshit like that you subconscieously remember it, unlike other numbers.

It could be a really powerful and enlightening number too that could change the world and fix every problem with humanity...or not

Rezbit
05-15-2006, 02:22 AM
Interesting.

tosmond
05-15-2006, 06:39 PM
Viginti Tres is track 11 of 11.... but then again you can relate 11:11 to anything.... isnt the clock with the picture of maynard on 11:11? that was deemed coincidence on the official tool website i believe....

i find it funny however that coincidence has 11 letters tho and that guy posted it 11 times, i always seem to see the clock @ 12:27am or 12:34am, its seems to be a regular time that i go to bed....
Also, about seeing it all the time everyday, thats just because 11:11 is a more memerable number than 10:53 or 9:14. I think also that because of the little superstitions about making a wish on 11:11 or bullshit like that you subconscieously remember it, unlike other numbers.
but then again i dont remember the countless times when it has been random numbers, i recon its all in the mind.... just like jesus