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kabir
04-26-2006, 08:37 PM
please continue to discuss lyrics in this thread, so any good suggestions can be posted to tdn/Lyrics.

imatoolhed
04-26-2006, 08:42 PM
please continue to discuss lyrics in this thread, so any good suggestions can be posted to tdn/Lyrics.What up...

Biscuit Oil
04-26-2006, 10:54 PM
Hid from the kings mountain view
Hid from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side Id found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the Devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could
I would wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Id wish it all away

No prize you could hold [could hold] sway
Or justify my kneeling away, my sentence

So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my peace of mind, my all,
I said Im just trying to hold on one more day.

Dim my eyes!
Dim my eyes!
Dim my eyes if they should compromise a hope of wanting the divine need
Then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the sinners
Shine until the two become one

Divide and wither it away
Divide and wither it away
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

So, as one, survive another day in season
(Silently just save your poison?) or (Silence leech and save your poison?)
Silently just stay out of my way.

spiralpath
04-26-2006, 11:29 PM
Dim my eyes if they should compromise a hope of wanting the divine need
Then I might as well be gone.


I am fairly certain that no one has gotten this correct yet. My closest guess is this:

"Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Wants and needs divide me thin
I might as well be gone"

I'm almost positive that the first line is correct, because he talks about division into two elsewhere in the song, and the related story about Jambi being divided in two by a river. The river would be that fulcrum. I'm sure it would work on the as-yet-undiscussed metaphorical level as well, however that line of interpretation develops.

The other two lines I'm not as sure of, except for the words 'divide me' and 'I might as well be gone.' He may say something like, 'Once our needs divide me then I might as well be gone.' Nothing else I've seen posted has made enough sense to really be a worthwhile lyric, including the one I quoted. They have all sounded awkward and forced.


(Silently just save your poison?) or (Silence leech and save your poison?)
Silently just stay out of my way.

Here, I'm almost certain that he says 'legion' or 'legions.' To the tune of:

"Silent legions, say your poison,
Silent legions, stay out of my way."

Again, this makes sense in the context of the song, both from the sultan's perspective of his own people's failure to rise up against Dutch oppression, and probably on a personal level with Maynard's frustration against American apathy.

Rhah
04-27-2006, 05:52 AM
For what its worth, im pretty sure he says "Damn my eyes", not "Dim my eyes".

"Damn my eyes" makes more sense in the context of the following lyrics.

kabir
04-27-2006, 11:24 AM
so you all think it is Damn My Eyes, not Jam-bi ?

holotrope
04-27-2006, 11:43 AM
I think it's "dim my eyes"...

zavlin
04-27-2006, 11:44 AM
my initial thought was that it was "damn" but on closer listens especially the last time he says it, pretty sure it is dim.

zavlin
04-27-2006, 11:52 AM
aaand i imagine this has been discussed in other threads but....i find it hilarious that a serious song about wishing references jambi the genie. (i really dont think its theindonesian province)

holotrope
04-27-2006, 12:01 PM
mekka-lekka-hai mekka-heiny-ho! (wait, did I just wish it all away?)

bogsnarth
04-27-2006, 12:01 PM
my thoughts from another thread
jahmbee is the way the genie from pee-wee's playhouse's name was pronounced.. and i think, as silly as it is, that the title of the song is a reference to him.. after all, all pee-wee had to do was say "boy i wish ___________" and it would happen.. and with maynard's usual insistence on will and self-sufficience, etc, making wishes is rightly derided by associating it with a silly kid's-show genie.

and goddamn it he does NOT SAY "JAMBI EYES"

IT'S "DAMN MY EYES" U FUX

and as i said there, sorry for yelling please don't ban me. :P

bogsnarth
04-27-2006, 12:02 PM
Hid from the kings mountain view
Hid from the wild dream come true

here from*

TSN
04-27-2006, 05:40 PM
I think maybe the lines :

Youre my peace of mind, my all,
I said Im just trying to hold on one more day.

...should be :

Youre my peace of mind, my all, my sentence
Just trying to hold on one more day.

...referencing the line earlier where he says "my sentence". I could be wrong about that, but it really seems like he's saying "my (something)", rather than "I said".

Octave13
04-28-2006, 10:05 AM
I think he's also saying "divided and withering away" near the end there, instead of "divide and wither it away."

Octave13
04-28-2006, 10:25 AM
Also , I think the last lines are
"So, as one survive another day in season.
Sigh, lest legions say your poison
Sigh, lest legions stay and run my way."

This makes sense when considering he's saying "Breathe in Union" just prior. Sounds to me like he's describing breathing techniques for meditation.

TheResidentEvil
04-28-2006, 10:34 AM
I think it's "here from" in the first two sentences and i also think it's Dim and not damn my eyes. Also, in this part

But I
I would if I could
I would wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Id wish it all away
^
The last line i think is "Want to wish it all away"

I also think where it says "my sentence," he is saying center. The first time its referenced, you can definately hear center. The second time i think it's center but not 100% certain. I listened to it several times and though i cannot say for sure it's center, i can say for sure that its not sentence.

So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my peace of mind, my (all)
(I said) Im just trying to hold on one more day.

(all) i think is home
(i said) i know he says my and not i but i cant figure out the next word.

As posted by SpiralPath, this is definetely right
"Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Wants and needs divide me thin
I might as well be gone"

And last, i agree with Octave's interpretation of the last 3 lines but think he says before that,"divided withering away"

Took 20 mins to make this post but i did it!

Octave13
04-28-2006, 10:55 AM
It sounds like he's saying

"Youre my peace of mind, my (all), (my saturn) just trying to hold on one more day."

He references saturn alot in his lyrics, even in lateralus. I'm not sure what connotations that has, but it seems to be a consistency he holds to alot, for some reason. I'm gonna look into that more.

Octave13
04-28-2006, 10:59 AM
ah... here we go. According to wikipedia "Saturn was called "the Bringer Of Old Age" in Alan Leo's What is a Horoscope? and is considered to represent the part of a person concerned with long-term planning."

I'm almost positive now that Maynard wrote this song for his son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology#Saturn

TheResidentEvil
04-28-2006, 11:05 AM
it very well could be saturn. I was never dead set on center because i just couldn't justify it. However, why would maynard write a song like this about his son? That is what i dont understand. What would make maynard think about losing his son? As a parent, i dont go around thinking about what would happen if i lost my child and i dont think many other parents do either.

Octave13
04-28-2006, 11:11 AM
Well, consider the kind of life he has. He's a rock mega-star. I don't think that makes for alot of time to spend with his son, especially considering he's the lead singer of two huge bands and going on lengthy world tours. "But I would wish it all away, if I thought I'd lose you just one day."

I'd be worried about that too, if I were him.

Octave13
04-28-2006, 12:06 PM
Recap:

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side Id found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could
I would wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Id wish it all away

No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my kneeling away, my Saturn

So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn,
just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes, if they should compromise a fool for all wants and needs-
Divide me, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the sinners
Shine until the two become one

Divided and withering away
Divided and withering away
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

So as one, survive another day in season
Sigh, lest legions say your poison
Sigh, lest legions stay and run my way.

Kinesthesis
04-28-2006, 01:39 PM
It's totally "save your poison." I don't think Maynard would have a lyric about "saying" your poison. It would be a different form of delivery.

Octave13
04-28-2006, 02:09 PM
It's totally "save your poison." I don't think Maynard would have a lyric about "saying" your poison. It would be a different form of delivery.

Could be right about that. Hard to tell at this point. I hope they release the offical lyrics soon.

jagannath
04-28-2006, 02:18 PM
Sow as one, survive another day, in season
Silence Legion, save your poison
Silence Legion, stay out of my way.


?

tooldude
04-28-2006, 02:22 PM
what about...
Having a king's mountain view
Having a wild dream come true

?

Kinesthesis
04-28-2006, 02:30 PM
Not sure about legion or leeches, but I'll give another listen.

Kinesthesis
04-28-2006, 02:31 PM
Could be right about that. Hard to tell at this point. I hope they release the offical lyrics soon.

I think Maynard has said he likes to toss the lyrics out about a month after the release.

bogsnarth
04-28-2006, 04:09 PM
let's hope he doesn't decide to never release the lyrics as a punishment for those of us who dled the leak.. :P

<wood>
04-28-2006, 07:53 PM
it very well could be saturn. I was never dead set on center because i just couldn't justify it. However, why would maynard write a song like this about his son? That is what i dont understand. What would make maynard think about losing his son? As a parent, i dont go around thinking about what would happen if i lost my child and i dont think many other parents do either.
I totally think this song is Maynard kickin' back sippin a cup of coffee while is son (maybe 3 or 4 at the time) was watchin Pee Wee's Playhouse. Maybee\ he was getting excited as children do, and Maynard was just enjoying the moment so much, that he decided to write a song about the love for his son. I too have a son, and I often fear what it would be like to loose him too... So after he captured his emotion, he thought of a title and who was on the screen but 'Jambi'... Maybe huh? Also, maybe since he had just lost his mother, he was feeling vulnerable about loosing someone else whom he loved so much. This song could have been written 2 or 3 years ago lyrically anyway...

Warartist
04-28-2006, 09:53 PM
HE IS'NT TALKING ABOUT PEE WEE. WTF!

LOOK!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambi

Warartist
04-28-2006, 09:59 PM
also, look again.
http://www.jambiexplorer.com/content/History.htm

Warartist
04-28-2006, 10:22 PM
other than wanting to add that i dont think i'll look at this guessing game any more untill the real lyrics are released on toolband. theres just so many differant opinions it doesnt seem to be getting any where and i'm pleased with my own untill then.
oh by the way if any one is interested hot topic already has the tool album in their stores they cant sell it yet, but this bitch said the day it go'es on sale it's supposed to be like 10 bucks there she said it in a way that made me think she wasnt suppose to say anything.
they had one opened and let us look at it theres some really silly pic's in it, and 3D glasses conected to the case that makes all of them look really trippy.
she was one of those tard's with hot pink n purple hair dressed from head to toe in hot topic paraphenilia all rightious and opinionated about the decoy album theory, and said she hated rosetta stoned because of the "goddamn shit the bed" line i guess she found it offensive or some shit???
of all tool songs to feel offended by she picks that??? i just dont understand. what about prison sex? or, 4degrees??? not offended but rosetta stoned bugs you what a fucking stupid cunt!
and this will really bug you.... she got a ticket... well, it bugged the fuck outa me. goddamnit im offended!

mandy

rocco
04-28-2006, 11:33 PM
I'm getting into the Devo theory of Jambi. Benevolent sun/son?

Also, I still think it's "leech and" and not "legion".

bogsnarth
04-29-2006, 11:08 AM
how the hell does that place in indonesia relate to this song at all?

i read the myth and legend part, and i don't see ANYTHING that would link the two thematically.. i'm not saying the title is a reference to the pee-wee's playhouse genie per se, but it makes a lot more sense than naming it after some random place in indonesia.

Warartist
04-29-2006, 11:23 AM
how the hell does that place in indonesia relate to this song at all?

i read the myth and legend part, and i don't see ANYTHING that would link the two thematically.. i'm not saying the title is a reference to the pee-wee's playhouse genie per se, but it makes a lot more sense than naming it after some random place in indonesia.

well, i dont know i can make some conections from what i read.......... but um, if you dont agree with the pee wee theory, or mine then please do tell what you do think. really. i'm dying to know.

bogsnarth
04-29-2006, 11:26 AM
actually the pee-wee one makes the most sense to me.. but i don't necessarily think it's right.. i can just make more connections with it than the place in indonesia.

NIMA69
04-30-2006, 10:05 AM
at first i thought this song might be in reference to his mother. but the son theory does sound good. i dont see a connection to jambi indonasia other than "kings mountain view" "feast like a sultan i do, on pleasures and/of flesh never few." possibly this kind of "feast" could represent maynards life as this "rockstar"
and "wild dream come true" makes sence in that, i know being a singer in 2 bands would be my wildest dream...well....nvm that...

and i think its "jam my eyes" which would make sence if you remember his reference to the "kings mountain view" which i see as a representation of maynards level of sucess thus far. so if he is saying that if tomorrow would mean him losing his son he would give everything up to avoid that...then jaming your fingers into your eyes in an attempt to blot it all out would make sence in the metaphoric sence.

flipmojo
04-30-2006, 03:46 PM
After reading what's out there, I still think there are a few questionable parts. However, I think this is the most accurate set of lyrics for Jambi. Take a look.


JAMBI

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures in flesh, never few

But I... I would
Wish it... all away
If I... thought Id
Lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side Id found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up turned me round

So I... I... I... I...
I would, I would, I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a father does till dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I, I would, if I could, I would
Wish it away, wish it away
Wish it all away, Wanna wish it all away
No prize here could hold, sway, or justify
My kneeling away my sin and
So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my piece of my mind, my all
I said Im just trying to hold on one more day


Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise all hope, or our wants and needs
If I believed it, I might as well be gone!

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided Im withering away
Shine down upon the many
Light our way benevolent sun

Breathe in union (x5)

So as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, leech, and save your poison
Silence leech, just stay out of my way!

rocco
04-30-2006, 04:23 PM
I'm sorry. I keep hearing "Pray in union". Does no one else hear this?

Totally. Doesn't sound like 'breathe' at all to me.

bogsnarth
04-30-2006, 05:14 PM
my initial impression was "pray" but after reading a lot of people say "breathe" i listened for it, and i definitely hear the "th" sound on at least a couple of instances of it.. and this is one of those situations where either word makes sense to me, so i'm just going to wait til the official lyrics come out.

AbjectEvolution
04-30-2006, 07:01 PM
I'm almost possitive he's saying...

So, as one, Survive another day in season
Silent Legions, save your PREACHIN
Silent legions, stay out of my way

*see*you*auntie*
04-30-2006, 07:10 PM
so you all think it is Damn My Eyes, not Jam-bi ?

I hear Jam-bye.

Jambi's
Jambi's
Jambi's salvation
Compromise our fulcrum
....................if I leave
I might as well be gone

Mighty Jesus
04-30-2006, 09:36 PM
"Kneeling away"? I hear "giving away". Hmm.

Muladhara
05-01-2006, 06:12 AM
Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few.

But I, I would wish it all away,
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side Id found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up, turned me round,
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could,
I would wish it away,
Wish it away,
Wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away.

No prize that could hold sway,
Or justify my kneeling away my Saturn

So if I could Id wish it all away,
If I thought tomorrow would take you away,
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn,
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes!

Dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the broken,
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the sinners,
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away,
Divided and withering away,
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent Sun.

Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union.

So as one, survive another day in season,
Silence leech and save your poison,
Silence leech and stay out of my way.

-----

Those are my interpretation, my girlfriend agrees.

It's another song about anal sex :D.

My girlfriend heard the bit about 'divine need', I agree with her after listening a few more times.

scar
05-01-2006, 08:38 AM
Damn my eyes, Damn my eyes, damn my eyes
If they should compromise
A fool from want and need
If I need them
I might as well be gone.
??????????

200L
05-01-2006, 12:58 PM
You guys are funny



Damn my eyes

Jambi

Damn my eyes if they should....



If you dont hear that listen

Damn my eyes

Jam bye iiiiiiiiii

Damn my eyes....

scar
05-01-2006, 01:44 PM
INDEED! you are right. JAM-BIIIIIIII. wow. it's there.

hurmie
05-01-2006, 03:38 PM
I think it must be this...

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few.

But I, I would wish it all away,
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side Id found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up, turned me round,
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could,
I would wish it away,
Wish it away,
Wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away.

No prize that could hold sway,
Or justify my kneeling away my Saturn

So if I could Id wish it all away,
If I thought tomorrow would take you away,
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn,
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Jam bye iiiiii

Dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the broken,
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the sinners,
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away,
Divided and withering away,
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent Sun.

Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union.

So as one, survive another day in season,
Silence leech and save your poison,
Silence leech and stay out of my way.

Muladhara
05-01-2006, 03:55 PM
It's not Jam-byeeee, it's damn my eyes.

Why would he say Jambi right there? Makes no sense considering the context of the song.

black_rose
05-01-2006, 03:57 PM
It's not Jam-byeeee, it's damn my eyes.

Why would he say Jambi right there? Makes no sense considering the context of the song.

It says Damn my eyes, jam my eyes by the sound of it i swear on it.

black_rose
05-01-2006, 03:58 PM
Damn my eyes!
Jam my eyes!

Damn my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone.

200L
05-01-2006, 05:22 PM
It's not Jam-byeeee, it's damn my eyes.

Why would he say Jambi right there? Makes no sense considering the context of the song.


Its like saying

Damn my eyes, Mark!



Damn my eyes

Jambi (Jam bye iiiii) [done obviously to rhyme scheme]

Damn my eyes....

scar
05-01-2006, 07:07 PM
i have listened to this one particular part so many ways and so many times, that i'm starting to form blisters in my ears.


damn my eyes (without a doubt)
jambi eyes (definite intonation change between "jambi" ((pronounced "JAM-BUY")) and "eyes" ((which definitely ends with the "s" sound)) )
damn my eyes if they should compromise........

can we call that official? at least on that particularly beautiful ten seconds? i mean, they are not official until maynard releases them, but between us?

Meme Complex
05-01-2006, 09:17 PM
Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found

Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No [pressure could / pleasure could] hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, [my sinner / my center]

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, [would / they'd] take you away

[3:13]

I'm positive he just says "damn my eyes" throughout the rest, and I'm sure that it should be "or justify my" not "just a fine line." Also, it makes a lot more sense that this would titled for Jambi from pee wee's play house since it is about wishing. My thinking is that this is about his mother and his willingness to trade away everything he has to have her back.

Muladhara
05-02-2006, 02:12 AM
i have listened to this one particular part so many ways and so many times, that i'm starting to form blisters in my ears.


damn my eyes (without a doubt)
jambi eyes (definite intonation change between "jambi" ((pronounced "JAM-BUY")) and "eyes" ((which definitely ends with the "s" sound)) )
damn my eyes if they should compromise........

can we call that official? at least on that particularly beautiful ten seconds? i mean, they are not official until maynard releases them, but between us?


Um no, because it's not "Jambi eyes", "Jambi,eye", "Jambiiiii" or anything of the sort, it's "damn my eyes".

"Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Dim my eyes if they..."

It makes no sense to say "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes, dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone." because what exactly are Jambi eyes and why should he be damning them?
The "dim my eyes" bit 'could' be "damn my eyes" again but it sounds like dim to me and that works better literally.
Maynard sounds like he pronounces the ds in this song from the roof of his mouth, giving them that 'j' sound.

If I'm wrong, I'll be surprised, but happy to eat my words :D.

Warartist
05-02-2006, 10:43 AM
Um no, because it's not "Jambi eyes", "Jambi,eye", "Jambiiiii" or anything of the sort, it's "damn my eyes".

"Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Dim my eyes if they..."

It makes no sense to say "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes, dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone." because what exactly are Jambi eyes and why should he be damning them?
The "dim my eyes" bit 'could' be "damn my eyes" again but it sounds like dim to me and that works better literally.
Maynard sounds like he pronounces the ds in this song from the roof of his mouth, giving them that 'j' sound.

If I'm wrong, I'll be surprised, but happy to eat my words :D.


you SIR are CORRETOooo,

it would make absolutely no fucking since to say jambi eyes in any prenounciation
of the word you could possibly conjure up. if any one can tell me otherwise how it would fit in with the context of the song in ANY way.... i will eat his words and my own.

MANDY

also, i thought initially that it was prey in union also. still it might be but i am leaning more towards breath now.

Warartist
05-02-2006, 10:47 AM
oh, if you are not a SIR forgive me and pretend it says MISS, or MADDAM, or MAMM, or whatever you like. :)

mandy

Sentinel67
05-02-2006, 11:47 AM
I've listened to it over and over and over and I'm sorry, I can't hear "breathe"...it seems totally obvious to me that he is saying "Pray". I'm trying to hear "Breathe", but it's just not working. :) I'll give it a rest and try again later. I am 99% positive that the last time he says it, it IS "Pray" at least.

raskolnikov_22
05-02-2006, 12:18 PM
Divided and withering away,
Divided and withering away,


I'm fairly certain these lines at 6:17 are actually:
Divide [every] river in our way,
divide [every] river on our way,
shine down upon the many,
light our way benevolent son.

The 'every' is obscure, yet the second time one can clearly hear the 'on,' which conflicts with '-ing' of 'withering.'

Also, at 2:13, I'm hearing 'Praise like a martyr' and not 'prayed.'

Warartist
05-02-2006, 01:23 PM
I'm fairly certain these lines at 6:17 are actually:
Divide [every] river in our way,
divide [every] river on our way,
shine down upon the many,
light our way benevolent son.

The 'every' is obscure, yet the second time one can clearly hear the 'on,' which conflicts with '-ing' of 'withering.'

Also, at 2:13, I'm hearing 'Praise like a martyr' and not 'prayed.'

i'm pretty sure its
devided im witherin away
i dont think hearing on would be a confliction, if he is'nt putting the G in withering when he says it, i think your hearing in.
and i think its pray like a martyr, but im not sure if its DUSK, or DOES till dawn.
mandy

scar
05-02-2006, 01:34 PM
try comparing the "m" sound on the second "damn my eyes" with the first "damn my eyes" that we are all sure of, as well as the third "m" sound that is either dim or damn. there is a "b" sound in the second "......eyes." there is also a "j" sound, not a "d" sound in the beginning of the second "damnmyeyes/jambieyes." i'm not telling anyone what the lyrics are, i'm now just saying what i'm hearing.

scar
05-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Um no, because it's not "Jambi eyes", "Jambi,eye", "Jambiiiii" or anything of the sort, it's "damn my eyes".

"Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Dim my eyes if they..."

It makes no sense to say "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes, dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone." because what exactly are Jambi eyes and why should he be damning them?
The "dim my eyes" bit 'could' be "damn my eyes" again but it sounds like dim to me and that works better literally.
Maynard sounds like he pronounces the ds in this song from the roof of his mouth, giving them that 'j' sound.

If I'm wrong, I'll be surprised, but happy to eat my words :D.

i haven't heard yet, but i'm sure it's been discussed. what is a "wanton need." and how does it make sense more than jambi eyes does when the name of the song is jambi. and with a blink of his eyes he could have his wish. just wondering.

Noob_Jones
05-02-2006, 01:43 PM
I used hurmie lyrics as a base and changed what I thought was wrong. I think it is suppost to be hear not here, the lyrics just make more sense that way IMO. I have other changes I made in bold.

Hear from the King's mountain view,
Hear from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few.

But I, I would wish it all away,
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil that is had me down,
In love with the dark side Id found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up, turned me round,
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could,
I would wish it away,
Wish it away,
Wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away.

No prize that could hold sway,
Or justify my kneeling away my center

So if I could Id wish it all away,
If I thought tomorrow would take you away,
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn,
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Jambi

Dim my eye if they should compromise a full-grown want to need, divine need, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent son,(I think he is talking about himself here)
Shine down upon the broken,
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent son,
Shine down upon the sinners,
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away,
Divided and withering away,
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent son.

Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union.

So as one, survive another day in season,
Silence leech and save your poison,
Silence leech and stay out of my way.

Muladhara
05-02-2006, 01:52 PM
i haven't heard yet, but i'm sure it's been discussed. what is a "wanton need." and how does it make sense more than jambi eyes does when the name of the song is jambi. and with a blink of his eyes he could have his wish. just wondering.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wanton
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=need

It's not Jambi eyes.

scar
05-02-2006, 02:29 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wanton
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=need

It's not Jambi eyes.


"wanton need" makes much more sense now, thank you Muladhara. the "jambi eyes" is something that many are hearing, and i'm going to chalk that one up as "to each his own" until TOOL says otherwise. thanks again for the help on wanton. i also must say that it was funny to me when i saw you added the meaning of "need." solid humor.

Muladhara
05-02-2006, 02:40 PM
"wanton need" makes much more sense now, thank you Muladhara. the "jambi eyes" is something that many are hearing, and i'm going to chalk that one up as "to each his own" until TOOL says otherwise. thanks again for the help on wanton. i also must say that it was funny to me when i saw you added the meaning of "need." solid humor.

:D

I was a bit distracted whilst posting so I didn't want to put a lengthy reply.

bogsnarth
05-02-2006, 02:48 PM
i was totally sure that the line which is being so heavily disputed was "damn my eyes" and not either of the other two (or three, now) that are being tossed around ("dim my eyes," "jambi (eyes)," or "jam my eyes").. i'm still sure it's not the last 2, but a friend of mine who knows a lot more about judeo-christian mythos than i do told me that when moishe (moses to the goyim) was on mt sinai or wherever, receiving the ten commandments, and he asked YHVH to reveal himself he said "dim my eyes lord, so that i may witness your glory" or something to that effect.. so now i'm not so firmly against "dim my eyes"

but still, it's either "damn my eyes" or 'dim my eyes" or both, but anybody who thinks it's "jambi" or "jam my" needs to take a chisel to their ears. i'm super cereal.

Howard
05-02-2006, 07:03 PM
have you heard jambi from coachella? It's Pray in union.

tuadeus
05-02-2006, 08:39 PM
I'm pretty sure it's "silence legion". Here is my case.

1. it's what i'm hearing

2. it's what i heard at coachella

3. (here i go again) I definatly see a lot of biblical reference through out this album. Jambi is no excepton. At the begining (and this is agreed upon by all) maynard sings "the devil and his had me down". Now, as all your biblical scholars know there was a man in the gospels who was also posessed by the devil (mark 5, luke and matthew 8). When asked it's name the demon posessing said "My name is Legion; for we are many" (mark 5:9). The demon is then cast out of the man by the SON of god/the light of the world (SUN). The man is again himself as he is no longer possesed (he is one and not many).

Now, if the ending lyric is "silence legion" that makes this entire song and allusion to this particular passage in the gospels. That does not mean maynard is talking about Jesus, christianity, or anything of that sort in particular. It does mean that the song becomes even fuller in meaning becauxe maynard is utilizing another story (that in the gospels) to illisturate what is going on in the song. It is a wonderfull use of literary device and makes absolute sense.

there could be more explanation but i think this should suffice.

let this be reflected in the lyric section!

So it is written...so let it be done!

Howard
05-02-2006, 08:52 PM
It's starting to make sense, and pray in union could be about praying for "exorcise" the demon, I mean, not in a literally way. You guys know how Maynard do these metaphors.

But i don't hear "legion", and don't know how "silence legion and something" fits

scar
05-02-2006, 09:11 PM
ok. i've conceded, and now i'm taking it back. the second time he says "jambized" or "jambi eyes." either way, there IS a "J" and there is a "B." it is on the copy i bought. if he doesn't say that on your copy, sorry 'bout that.

bogsnarth
05-02-2006, 09:16 PM
banned.

FrankusChrist
05-02-2006, 09:17 PM
i think it is very possible that maynard was doing several things at once when he was inspired by this song. and as he usually does, he puts layers in the song lyrics....i have a feeling he might have been watching peewee's playhouse while reading an article on the country... He saw some sort of cosmic conection to the two happening at the same time....and realized while his son was lying on his chest,as they "breathe in union"....thathis son is a constant help in dealing with the loss of his mother....and if he had a genie he would wish any bad thing away.......I dont Know....call me crazy

bogsnarth
05-02-2006, 09:41 PM
you just blew my mind.

Howard
05-02-2006, 10:44 PM
And it's "damn my eyes, jambi eyes, dim my eyes"
Just put your ear on the speakers, you can hear Jambi, and it's always eyeS

Howard
05-02-2006, 10:55 PM
WTF, in the live version I hear Pray, and the album sounds like breathe.

This lyrics makes me confused.

ps.: I think I should get some sleep, it's 4 A.M here and I know I'm writing like a analphabet x)

scar
05-02-2006, 11:41 PM
banned.

??

Warartist
05-03-2006, 12:04 AM
It's starting to make sense, and pray in union could be about praying for "exorcise" the demon, I mean, not in a literally way. You guys know how Maynard do these metaphors.

But i don't hear "legion", and don't know how "silence legion and something" fits

yea thats was i was thinking, there were like seven demons in one or some shit. a legion of them. i think your right on that one.
mandy

Warartist
05-03-2006, 12:06 AM
prey makes more since with all the talk about evil and demons and darksides and temptation and stuff.

Warartist
05-03-2006, 12:06 AM
but, i still dont think jambi is in the song any where

foma
05-03-2006, 12:12 AM
Does anyone else hear 'divide me' instead of 'divine need' in the 'd*m my eyes' part?
i really cant figure out that line :S

Warartist
05-03-2006, 12:12 AM
yea thats was i was thinking, there were like seven demons in one or some shit. a legion of them. i think your right on that one.
mandy

me n my boyfriend jon were actually just talking about that yesterday i was telling him about all the ppl on here that are hearing leeches, i dont think leches makes any since and he also thinks its a deffinate legions we're hearing.

M.

FrankusChrist
05-03-2006, 12:59 AM
OK...ive got an out look on this....i think it is....
damn my eyes, i
f they should compromise a fulcrum*(point of support)*
want and need divide me,
then i might as well be gone.....
my theory behind this is that the eyes must use a sort of "fulcrum"....a point on which they must agree....so that a person can see properly....if one eye is, lets say, on "want" and the other on "need" then you are divided....and your eyes are useless they might as well be blind...or gone....this would also play in to the whole packaging of the album....two images become one to show the whole image....two (of the SAME) 2d images become one 3-d image and that is how we see our world

Nicolai
05-03-2006, 03:29 AM
Ok here's what I think...

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd Lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabble in all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No prize that could hold
Sway or justify my giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my saturn
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes

Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
what t* need divide me (tough one I simply can't hear it)
then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun??

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son

Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divide and I'm withering away

Shine upon the many, light our way
Benevolent son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
another day and season

Silence leech and save your poison
Silence leech and stay out of my way


I think the song is about his son as previously mentioned but the Indonesian Jambi reference is weird. Maynard as the Sultan having everything he ever dreamt of, but really not wanting anything if his wasn't there. Breathe in union describes his mental need for his son to make it through the day and his sons need for him as a parent, the "silence leech" part tells me that some thoughts in his mind fucks with him.
I may be grabbing for air and it's a bit difficult giving you my take on the lyrics as english is not my preferred language but I tried :)

Muladhara
05-03-2006, 05:48 AM
"damn my eyes, i
f they should compromise a fulcrum*(point of support)*
want and need divide me,
then i might as well be gone....."

Doesn't make sense.

"Dim my eyes, if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need then I might as well be gone."

Which means:

"If logic dictates everything I do and stops me from pursuing my natural desires then I might as well be dead."

Howard
05-03-2006, 09:40 AM
The second time IS Jambi eyes, there's no doubt on this.

punksure
05-03-2006, 11:25 AM
Surprised this possibility hasn't been explored:

jamb also jambe ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jm)
n.
One of a pair of vertical posts or pieces that together form the sides of a door, window frame, or fireplace, for example.
A projecting mass or columnar part.


Possibly Jamb my eye? the title of the song, "Jambi" seems to be a play on words in which the I is jammed onto the Jamb.

bogsnarth
05-03-2006, 12:48 PM
??
for being a traitor to the cause!

the cause being "not believing that the word 'jambi' is contained anywhere in the lyrics of the song of the same name"

JShaney
05-03-2006, 01:00 PM
So if I could I'd wish for one more taste
If I thought tomorrow, you wouldn't taste the same
You're my peace of mine, I know, my sandwhich
I'm just trying to hold on.....
Just one more taste

Jam I cry
Jam I cry

Jam I find now I should
Hope to find - a full crumb
wanting the sandwhichy
taste I find so well until it's Goooooonnnneeeeeeee!!!!

JShaney
05-03-2006, 01:02 PM
I think this is correct because tool always include the sone title into the song's lyrics....
For examples from each record:
Opiate, prison sex, stinkfist, Merkave, schism,
and most currently.....Jam bi

blair's man sausage
05-03-2006, 01:09 PM
I think this is correct because tool always include the sone title into the song's lyrics....
For examples from each record:
Opiate, prison sex, stinkfist, Merkave, schism,
and most currently.....Jam bi


this is completely incoherent...opiate...no, prison sex...no, stinkfist...no, merkave?=merkaba....not even close, and finally schism....yeah that's a no....

Noob_Jones
05-03-2006, 01:20 PM
this is completely incoherent...opiate...no, prison sex...no, stinkfist...no, merkave?=merkaba....not even close, and finally schism....yeah that's a no....

Wow it is almost like he tried to do that! Like he had a point to make or something!

Howard
05-03-2006, 01:22 PM
JShaney is retard, JAM I CRY? So you are deaf, too.

Now, seriously, your sarcasm/irony is not good.

JShaney
05-03-2006, 01:26 PM
on a serious not here's my "other guess"

Damn my Eyes X2

Damn my Eyes if they should compromise
or fall from wanting thee divine me
then I'd might as well be gone

Using the adjective definition of divine: (being or having the nature of a god)
This interpretation assumes he means....

1. I'd might as well be blind (damn my eyes)
2. If I do something despite the fact I have "seen with my eyes"/experienced it to be "stupid,wrong,ignorant...ect.." (if I should compromise)
3. An example would be to worship a god even though he has had experiences that have led this to be "the way that I would never ever choose to be~Judith" (fall from wanting the divine me) ~godlike-version of Good'ol Maynard?!yikes

4. (then id might as well be gone)
This line sums it all up and means-
He's seen things for which he thinks believing in god is stupid.
So if he were to compromise what he's seen and do it anyway.
Then he'd might as well be "deaf, dumb, blind(damn his eyes)......dead and (gone)".

JShaney
05-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Ok it was a joke......you are being critical of me for what reason??????
and, duh, obviously none of those songs have the song title in there lyrics.....
just as "by my joke" you could assume I don't believe Jambi does....... :)

You're an interesting character Howard.....If in your opinion anyone who jokes around is a retard, then your opinion is worth less than the membership cost I payed to join this forum.

Congrats for earning my disrespect.

A WalkAbout
05-03-2006, 01:52 PM
Jambi

Here from the king's mountain view,
Here from the wild dream come true,
Feast like a sultan I do,
On treasures and flesh never few.

But I, I would wish it all away,
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side Id found,
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up, turned me round,
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn,
Begged like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could,
I would wish it away,
Wish it away,
Wish it all away,
Wanna wish it all away.

No prize that could hold, sway,
Or justify my kneeling away my center

So if I could Id wish it all away,
If I thought tomorrow would take you away,
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my center [Saturn],
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes!

Dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown want and need, divine need, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the broken,
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever,
Shine on benevolent Sun,
Shine down upon the sinners,
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away,
Divided and withering away,
Shine down upon the many,
Light our ways, benevolent Sun.

Breathe [Pray] in union,
Breathe [Pray] in union,
Breathe [Pray] in union,
Breathe [Pray] in union,
Breathe [Pray] in union,

So as one, survive another day in season,
Silence leech and save your poison, [Silence, legion says your prayers.]
Silence leech and stay out of my way. [Silence, legion stay out of my way.]

Muladhara
05-03-2006, 01:55 PM
on a serious not here's my "other guess"

Damn my Eyes X2

Damn my Eyes if they should compromise
or fall from wanting thee divine me
then I'd might as well be gone

Using the adjective definition of divine: (being or having the nature of a god)
This interpretation assumes he means....

1. I'd might as well be blind (damn my eyes)
2. If I do something despite the fact I have "seen with my eyes"/experienced it to be "stupid,wrong,ignorant...ect.." (if I should compromise)
3. An example would be to worship a god even though he has had experiences that have led this to be "the way that I would never ever choose to be~Judith" (fall from wanting the divine me) ~godlike-version of Good'ol Maynard?!yikes

4. (then id might as well be gone)
This line sums it all up and means-
He's seen things for which he thinks believing in god is stupid.
So if he were to compromise what he's seen and do it anyway.
Then he'd might as well be "deaf, dumb, blind(damn his eyes)......dead and (gone)".

This is a good guess too, makes sense, though I don't think it would be "thee divine me" just "the divine me".

Still think I'm right though :D

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-03-2006, 01:57 PM
Damn my eyes, Damn my eyes, damn my eyes
If they should compromise
A fool from want and need
If I need them
I might as well be gone.
??????????


"Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes

If they should compromise our fulcrum

want and need divide me

then i might as well be gone"

i'm positive that its, listen closely and it fts perfectly with the rest of the song.
A fulcrum is a pivot, think of a see-saw (is it teeter toter in US?) it all about balance, like yin and yang, one is nothing with out the other, together they achieve harmony and that is the only way they can exist.

Chaingangslave
05-03-2006, 02:09 PM
If in the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I've found

Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I, I would, I would, I would, I would wish this all away
Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along
But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or just a fine line
Kneeling away, my sinner
So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away
You're my piece of mind,
my own
my sin
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Well they should compromise
All hope from What you need divide me
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one
Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one
Divide and (im withering away?)wither away
Divide and (im withering away?)wither away
Shine down upon the many, light our way
Benevolent sun.
Breathe in union(this continues for a while)

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silently, just save your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way

Im about 90% certain that this is correct
damn my eyes might be dim my eyes, and there are a few parts like breathe in union that might be a combination of breathe in union twice or three times at the start and end with pray in union the last one or two times. hope this helps.
P.S. Tool kicks A**

Howard
05-03-2006, 03:03 PM
Jshaney, if you read the last line on my post (:

And for god's sake, the second time he says JAMBI EYES, try with a headphone, or with the speaker close to you ear

Muladhara
05-03-2006, 03:33 PM
He doesn't say Jambi eyes.

I've listened on headphones and YES I can see why you might be hearing that but it just makes NO SENSE to say "Jambi eyes", especially when "Jambi" is pronounced 'jham-bee'.

Actually, he might be saying "dim my eyes" on that second time rather than 'damn my eyes', seeing as it and the "dim my eyes if they should..." sound the same.

Muladhara
05-03-2006, 03:40 PM
"Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes

If they should compromise our fulcrum

want and need divide me

then i might as well be gone"

i'm positive that its, listen closely and it fts perfectly with the rest of the song.
A fulcrum is a pivot, think of a see-saw (is it teeter toter in US?) it all about balance, like yin and yang, one is nothing with out the other, together they achieve harmony and that is the only way they can exist.

Right, so how does that line make sense then?

"Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum. Want and need divide me then i might as well be gone."

That is the only way you can form that as a sentence and it doesn't make sense.

JShaney
05-03-2006, 03:49 PM
My apologies Howard, I guess I was being a little over-sensitive in any case.....

NE ways, I was joking with my post "Jam I cry", but I am not trying to insult anyone who thinks that is Jambi that he says......

none of us no for sure, but whatever it is I'm sure may be a combo of what we have all heard and will probably make more sense then are hearing.

I think the main reason why I ruled out Jam-bye eyes is because the D sound could very easily be a J sound in reality, but I don't hear the B sound anywhere.....

Whatever is between the initial ___my eyes and might as well be gone is certainly tough to gather...."fulcrum??????I've read the def. and can see how it could be warped to fit, but I just don't hear the C sound "crum", and while I'm likely wrong, here and f sound from instead.....

Howard
05-03-2006, 03:58 PM
Like I said before, this lyrics are always confusing me. Like, coachella was "pray in union", 10k days is "breathe in union".

I don't know what to think anymore, that's the reality x)

JShaney
05-03-2006, 04:01 PM
Side note:
I don't think it's "damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then i might as well be gone"

my only reasons for this is
1. I just don't personally feel that Maynard would ever compromise his fulcrum.
and
2. I dont see how if "want and need divide"s him that that makes sense as a reason to be gone.

One thought that crossed my mind, BUT I DOUBT...
is
damn my eyes if they should compromise or fall for/fold from
one to need to find me
then I'd might as well be God

JShaney
05-03-2006, 05:23 PM
better yet

Damn my eyes, damn my eyes
Dim my eyes if they should:
compromise a fool from wanting the divine need
Then I might as well be God

which would be interpreted to mean:
He does not want to see a scenario where (dim my eyes if)
someone has "compromised" their beliefs to no longer "want the divine need"
just because of something he has said/feels.
He thinks anyone would be a "fool" if they were influenced enough to change what they believe just because he disagrees with them(think for yourself).
Lastly, if he were to have enough power/influence to change your beliefs than he "might as well be" your god....
I don't think this is what he wants to see (dim maynards eyes if it happens) :)

Sort of like 10000 days, it seems he obviously disagrees with his moms religion, but respects her at the same time.....he's developed his own differant opinions based on what he thinks/experienced, not what his mom tells him.....and he likely thinks that people are better off to make decisions based on what they experience/think, not what he thinks or has experienced.

carefreeonmorph
05-03-2006, 06:19 PM
Youre my peace of mind, my all,
I said Im just trying to hold on one more day.

I know it's a small correction, but I think instead of "I said" I think he says "My sentence". Good luck deciphering guys!

mikey6719
05-03-2006, 06:23 PM
Good luck, keep up the good work guys/girls....Figure it all out so I can get it down before KC next week! PEEEEAAAAAce

supersonic2006
05-03-2006, 06:27 PM
You guys are funny



Damn my eyes

Jambi

Damn my eyes if they should....



If you dont hear that listen

Damn my eyes

Jam bye iiiiiiiiii

Damn my eyes....

I agree, this is how I hear it too.

listen on the second one, it's definitely different. You can distinctly hear the J sound.

However I'd say that the Jambi part is plural, Jambis. (while this may not make sense gramatically, it's tool's word, they can make up pluaralities as they see fit.)

This plural form of Jambi makes sense as then "two become one" Jambi as in the title.

it's not Jambi eyes, but simply Jambis with a breath accent in the middle of the "i" to maintain the rythm laid down by "damn my eyes"

carefreeonmorph
05-03-2006, 06:27 PM
(Silently just save your poison?) or (Silence leech and save your poison?)
Silently just stay out of my way.

He definantly says "Silence leech and save your poison. Silence Leech and stay out of my way.

carefreeonmorph
05-03-2006, 06:29 PM
I actually got tickets to see them in KC before the blood hungry scalpors, I'M BLOODY STOKED it'll be my first tool concert I've been a fan for about four years... See you guys there!

carefreeonmorph
05-03-2006, 06:33 PM
OK...ive got an out look on this....i think it is....
damn my eyes, i
f they should compromise a fulcrum*(point of support)*
want and need divide me,
then i might as well be gone.....
my theory behind this is that the eyes must use a sort of "fulcrum"....a point on which they must agree....so that a person can see properly....if one eye is, lets say, on "want" and the other on "need" then you are divided....and your eyes are useless they might as well be blind...or gone....this would also play in to the whole packaging of the album....two images become one to show the whole image....two (of the SAME) 2d images become one 3-d image and that is how we see our world

I love this idea right or wrong it is a great insight. Great job.

allusion7.0
05-03-2006, 06:36 PM
For what its worth, im pretty sure he says "Damn my eyes", not "Dim my eyes".

"Damn my eyes" makes more sense in the context of the following lyrics.
yeah. I definitely thought "Damn My Eyes" was what he sings. Although, the second time it sounds more like Jambi eyss or something foreign along those lines. Any Ideas as to when the lyrics will be released? or does no one know untill it happens?

supersonic2006
05-03-2006, 06:40 PM
yeah. I definitely thought "Damn My Eyes" was what he sings. Although, the second time it sounds more like Jambi eyss or something foreign along those lines. Any Ideas as to when the lyrics will be released? or does no one know untill it happens?

I believe Maynard generally releases the lyrics/poems a week or two after the release of the CD. I could be wrong, of course.

allusion7.0
05-03-2006, 06:43 PM
carefreeonmorph[ine?], you might just want to check your quote real quick. If i remember correctly
and if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor, go home tonight and take all your albums and all your tapes and all your cd's and burn them, because you know what, the musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years... Real fucking high on drugs

allusion7.0
05-03-2006, 06:44 PM
thanks

Mighty Jesus
05-03-2006, 11:31 PM
So if I could I'd wish for one more taste
If I thought tomorrow, you wouldn't taste the same
You're my peace of mine, I know, my sandwhich
I'm just trying to hold on.....
Just one more taste

Jam I cry
Jam I cry

Jam I find now I should
Hope to find - a full crumb
wanting the sandwhichy
taste I find so well until it's Goooooonnnneeeeeeee!!!!

Ha ha ha ha. Awesome.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 05:55 AM
Side note:
I don't think it's "damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then i might as well be gone"

my only reasons for this is
1. I just don't personally feel that Maynard would ever compromise his fulcrum.
and
2. I dont see how if "want and need divide"s him that that makes sense as a reason to be gone.

One thought that crossed my mind, BUT I DOUBT...
is
damn my eyes if they should compromise or fall for/fold from
one to need to find me
then I'd might as well be God

it is "want and need divide me", cos he wants and needs the person who hes singing about, and because he is divided he might as well not exist.
later in the song it says about shining on the broken one, severed one, two become one and so on. divide and wither away. can u not see where i am coming from?

whats wrong with people, u don;t listen or think u just hear what u want to hear and most of the time its just rubbish, think about the song as a whole for once.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 06:01 AM
Right, so how does that line make sense then?

"Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum. Want and need divide me then i might as well be gone."

That is the only way you can form that as a sentence and it doesn't make sense.


plus it doesnt need to form a perfect sentence, its a stanza in effect really. does all poetry consist of perfect sentences? no.
I can tell from you little signiture thing about grammar that u can only think about wors in this way, which is fine, but think about poetry and how it can be and is written

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 06:37 AM
plus it doesnt need to form a perfect sentence, its a stanza in effect really. does all poetry consist of perfect sentences? no.
I can tell from you little signiture thing about grammar that u can only think about wors in this way, which is fine, but think about poetry and how it can be and is written

Unless it's nonsense rhyme, poetry usually makes sense, good poetry that is.

Maynard's lyrics make sense and consist of perfect sentences.

If there was an "if" before "want and need" then it would make sense. maybe there is and he chose not to sing it, he's done that before, but as there's an 'if' at the start of that section of lyrics then I believe it's one sentence and not two.

Also, don't assume how I think about words. I think they aren't things to be just thrown into sentences in random arrangements that sound good. If you're going to write something then make it make sense (unless it's nonsense rhyme), otherwise what's the point?

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 06:48 AM
Unless it's nonsense rhyme, poetry usually makes sense, good poetry that is.

Maynard's lyrics make sense and consist of perfect sentences.

If there was an "if" before "want and need" then it would make sense. maybe there is and he chose not to sing it, he's done that before, but as there's an 'if' at the start of that section of lyrics then I believe it's one sentence and not two.

Also, don't assume how I think about words. I think they aren't things to be just thrown into sentences in random arrangements that sound good. If you're going to write something then make it make sense (unless it's nonsense rhyme), otherwise what's the point?


right i dont want to get into a stupid arguemnt about who right and wrong its piintless, so let agree to disagree.

anyway it doesn't need an if, its a stament "Want and need divied me"

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 08:57 AM
right i dont want to get into a stupid arguemnt about who right and wrong its piintless, so let agree to disagree.

anyway it doesn't need an if, its a stament "Want and need divied me"

So how does "then I might as well be gone" work then?

"Want and need divide me. Then I might as well be gone."

Doesn't work!

Songwriting 101 ftw!

randysnow
05-04-2006, 09:04 AM
so you all think it is Damn My Eyes, not Jam-bi ?

It is for sure Damn my eyes...

Jerk off
05-04-2006, 09:49 AM
it very well could be saturn. I was never dead set on center because i just couldn't justify it. However, why would maynard write a song like this about his son? That is what i dont understand. What would make maynard think about losing his son? As a parent, i dont go around thinking about what would happen if i lost my child and i dont think many other parents do either.
whne has maynard been like anyone else? It might not be loss as in death it could be loss of innocence or anything else.

Spaztiq
05-04-2006, 10:34 AM
Here's my take on the whole "damn my eyes/jambi-iii" thing, which makes the most sense to me:

------------------
Jambi (Jambi-iii)
Jambi (Jambi-iii)

'Till my (my-eye) salvation come from myself over wonton need to finally fit,
I might as well be gone.
-------------------

i think Maynard is purposely throwing the extra "eye" sounds in there for the hell of it.. cuz it just fits and works with my interpretation of the salvation line. I'm shocked I'm the only one who's heard that? Unless I missed a post....

Here it is as a whole...
--------------------

Here from the king's mountain view;
Here from the wild dream come true.
Feast like a sultan I do,
on treasures and flesh never few.

But I, I would wish it all away;
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down.
In love with the dark side Id found.
Dabbling all the way down.
Up to my neck, soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me;
Lifted me up, turned me round.

So I,
I,
I,
I...

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn;
Begged like a hooker all night long.
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I,
I would, if I could;
I would wish it away.
Wish it away.
Wish it all away.
Wanna wish it all away.

No prize that could hold sway,
Or justify my kneeling away, my Saturn

So if I could Id wish it all away;
If I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn;
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Jambi
Jambi

'Till my salvation come from myself over wonton need to finally fit,
I might as well be gone.

Shine on forever;
Shine on benevolent Sun.
Shine down upon the broken;
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever;
Shine on benevolent Sun.
Shine down upon the sinners;
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away.
Divided and withering away.
Shine down upon the many;
Light our way benevolent Sun.

Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union,
Breathe in union.

So as one, survive another day in season,
Silence leech and save your prison,
Silence leech and stay out of my way.

scar
05-04-2006, 12:44 PM
a lot of talk in here about the second line after "damn my eyes." seriously, it's "jambi-ized." just like solarized, or baptized. he COULD BE saying that he has been jambi-ized with all the wishing it away, and all the wishing not working. if not, he says some form of "jambi" and then a plural sound ending. (jambi being the genie who was not so good at granting all the right wishes in pee wee's playhouse deal.) the reference to jambi IS there. i don't even have to TRY and hear it, it just kicks me straight in the ear.
another thing, in reference to the verse at 1:13, everything he says in the next two verses are ALL in past tense:
The devil and his HAD me down
In love/light with the dark side I'D found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown (looking back into the past)
But you CHANGED that all for me
LIFTED me up and TURNED me around.... in the next verse: prayed, begged, shouted/tempted/sheltered, got, wanted.....
all in past tense.
and WHY does everyone ALWAYS think there has to be some kind of complex DIVINE or spiritual link to ALL of TOOL's lyrics? it's not ALWAYS that complicated. for instance, Damn my eyes, Jambi-ized, damn/dim my eyes
If they should compromise
A full grown wanton need. (This stops the sentence)
IF I need (in reference to the wanton need)
THEN I might as well be gone. (notice the If/Then form. competely normal in our language. he is philosophizing a bit, and that form of if/then is exactly how you would phrase it. please consider with an open mind.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 02:09 PM
So how does "then I might as well be gone" work then?

"Want and need divide me. Then I might as well be gone."

Doesn't work!

Songwriting 101 ftw!


maybe it written, or suuposed to be "if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then i might as well be gone"

the if that makes the sentence perfect is there, and the want and need, is in the middle of the sentence. that works.

JShaney
05-04-2006, 02:35 PM
wow!
You all know that if you were to just say.."i think it is......this"
it would avoid a lot of the arguement......as anyone who claims "I know its thin/I'm positive/I'm right-your wrong" is obviously not being honest unless there name is Maynard.

I'm not sure what it is, but i've posted like 3 or 4 differant guesses which are all likely wrong........it's ok to do that right???

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 03:20 PM
maybe it written, or suuposed to be "if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then i might as well be gone"

the if that makes the sentence perfect is there, and the want and need, is in the middle of the sentence. that works.

No it doesn't.

"Damn my eyes, if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then I might as well be gone." does NOT work!

It doesn't work because "want and need divide me" doesn't fit. It has no reference or relevance in that sentence.

If you can't see why it doesn't fit, you never will unless you take some more English lessons.

Vondruke
05-04-2006, 03:26 PM
I agree with scar

Damn my eyes
Jambi-ized
Damn my eyes

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 03:27 PM
wow!
You all know that if you were to just say.."i think it is......this"
it would avoid a lot of the arguement......as anyone who claims "I know its thin/I'm positive/I'm right-your wrong" is obviously not being honest unless there name is Maynard.

I'm not sure what it is, but i've posted like 3 or 4 differant guesses which are all likely wrong........it's ok to do that right???

I have no problems with your guesses JShaney, it's obvious you've listened to it closely and tried to figure out something that makes sense, rather than something which just 'sounds right' but makes no sense.

I was looking at one of your guesses:

"Dim my eyes if they should:
compromise a fool from wanting the divine need
Then I might as well be God"

Which made me think:

"Dim my eyes, if they should compromise a fool with wants and needs, divide me, then I might as well be gone."

Hmm...

FRANK THE TANK
05-04-2006, 03:29 PM
ROFL LMFAO LOL

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 03:34 PM
ROFL LMFAO LOL

Did you just wet yourself?

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 03:50 PM
No it doesn't.

"Damn my eyes, if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need divide me, then I might as well be gone." does NOT work!

It doesn't work because "want and need divide me" doesn't fit. It has no reference or relevance in that sentence.

If you can't see why it doesn't fit, you never will unless you take some more English lessons.


no need to be insulting, you believe that you're so right about so much
JShaney is my kinda guy all i tried to say is what i think, i think i am right, u think i am wrong, thats fine, i tried to calm this down before it gets into a full blown argument. I assume your ego will not allow this to go unanswered.




ps. want and need divide me, does have relevance, to the whole song, not just in one sentence, that was my original point.

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 03:58 PM
no need to be insulting, you believe that you're so right about so much
JShaney is my kinda guy all i tried to say is what i think, i think i am right, u think i am wrong, thats fine, i tried to calm this down before it gets into a full blown argument. I assume your ego will not allow this to go unanswered.




ps. want and need divide me, does have relevance, to the whole song, not just in one sentence, that was my original point.

Where did I insult you?

I meant nothing insulting in my post, you're reading that into it yourself.

If it's the "take some English lessons" thing, I meant that. You'd learn in English that a sentence has to be complete and make sense, and those examples that you thought were fine, weren't.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 04:05 PM
Where did I insult you?

I meant nothing insulting in my post, you're reading that into it yourself.

If it's the "take some English lessons" thing, I meant that. You'd learn in English that a sentence has to be complete and make sense, and those examples that you thought were fine, weren't.

i dont wanna keep going round in circles about grammar.
i am not bothered about a perfect sentence, just the lyrics
that is how i hear them.

there is no need in a song or poem for a sentence to be perfect as usualy this kinda stuff is written as stanzas , i believe i said that the other day, and then u started with ur grammatical stuff.

oh, and was i right about your ego? haha

this is not one -up-mans-ship, just trying to cover all angles, although that would be impossible i'm sure an intelligent guy and can form a constructive argument and will continue to do so until the issue is dropped, but unfortunaly i cant stop either, could be a long thread.

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 04:15 PM
i dont wanna keep going round in circles about grammar.
i am not bothered about a perfect sentence, just the lyrics
that is how i hear them.


Fine, that's how you hear them, this is a discussion forum for what the lyrics might be. I disagree with your interpretation because it doesn't make sense, deal with it.


there is no need in a song or poem for a sentence to be perfect as usualy this kinda stuff is written as stanzas , i believe i said that the other day, and then u started with ur grammatical stuff.


No there's no need for a sentence to be PERFECT but YES there's EVERY need for a sentence to make sense, otherwise why bother writing it in the first place? Unless it's nonsense rhyme, which this song clearly isn't.


oh, and was i right about your ego? haha


This is fucking classic when there's a song on this album all about pointing the finger at someone when you yourself are guilty of the crime you're accusing that person of commiting.


this is not one -up-mans-ship, just trying to cover all angles, although that would be impossible i'm sure an intelligent guy and can form a constructive argument and will continue to do so until the issue is dropped, but unfortunaly i cant stop either, could be a long thread.

The issue is that I say that that sentence does not make sense, which it doesn't. You can't understand or handle that apparently and are starting to make it personal.

Read up on sentence structures, grammar and songwriting. Once you've done this (don't rush though), look through Tool's back catalogue and try finding a sentence that does not make sense, a sentence that seems to have no relevance to its immediate neighbours.

I couldn't find one.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 04:45 PM
Fine, that's how you hear them, this is a discussion forum for what the lyrics might be. I disagree with your interpretation because it doesn't make sense, deal with it.



No there's no need for a sentence to be PERFECT but YES there's EVERY need for a sentence to make sense, otherwise why bother writing it in the first place? Unless it's nonsense rhyme, which this song clearly isn't.



This is fucking classic when there's a song on this album all about pointing the finger at someone when you yourself are guilty of the crime you're accusing that person of commiting.



The issue is that I say that that sentence does not make sense, which it doesn't. You can't understand or handle that apparently and are starting to make it personal.

Read up on sentence structures, grammar and songwriting. Once you've done this (don't rush though), look through Tool's back catalogue and try finding a sentence that does not make sense, a sentence that seems to have no relevance to its immediate neighbours.

I couldn't find one.



iam aware of the whole pointing finger thing, i addressed that, i am not making it personal.

right ok i shal try to explain myself better some how.
i am hearing the lyrics as this

"damn my eyes if the should compromise our fulcrum
want and need divide me
then i might as well be gone"


what do you hear it as?

Stev
05-04-2006, 04:45 PM
Read up on sentence structures, grammar and songwriting. Once you've done this (don't rush though), look through Tool's back catalogue and try finding a sentence that does not make sense, a sentence that seems to have no relevance to its immediate neighbours.

I couldn't find one.

I found one. 'Silence leech and save your poison' :P

The line you have come up with Muladhara is very poetic and quite nice, but it just doesn't fit the sounds. 'Divine' would have to be 'To-vine' as the 'o' sound on that syllable is clearly audible. The rest of it could fit audibly I guess, although the weightings and emphasis doesn't really seem to work, but that one syllable stands out.

If they should compromise or fall from what you need to find me then I might as well be gone.

That's how I hear it. My interpretation is that Maynard is saying 'If my eyes stop looking forward and up, to the good things, if they stop looking towards the things to which they need to be looking for you to find me, then it's already over'.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 04:47 PM
perception is all that matters. It doesnt matter what you mean it is how you're percieved that has the greatest effect.

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-04-2006, 04:52 PM
I found one. 'Silence leech and save your poison' :P

The line you have come up with Muladhara is very poetic and quite nice, but it just doesn't fit the sounds. 'Divine' would have to be 'To-vine' as the 'o' sound on that syllable is clearly audible. The rest of it could fit audibly I guess, although the weightings and emphasis doesn't really seem to work, but that one syllable stands out.

If they should compromise or fall from what you need to find me then I might as well be gone.

That's how I hear it. My interpretation is that Maynard is saying 'If my eyes stop looking forward and up, to the good things, if they stop looking towards the thing to which they need to be looking for you to find me, then it's already over'.

yeah i like that, it sure those lyrics quite fit tho, maybe i am wrong, i am totally open to that suggestion by the way. i'm getting caughty up on the whole divide thing cos of the whole "divide and wither away" later on so by beeing divided by want and need (god knows y he is dived by want and need) would appear to fit the theme of the song.

anfisechka
05-04-2006, 04:54 PM
From another thread:

I think it could be both.. I hear "jam my eyes" and THEN "damn my eyes." J is represented in Russian as D + zh if that makes sense; there is naturally a 'd' sound in 'j', but there's gotta be something extra to make it j. And I hear seomthing extra.

Stev
05-04-2006, 05:04 PM
Listening to it again, the second syllable from 'wanton' doesn't fit either. It would have to be 'Wantoo'. Again, the 'ooh' sound is clearly audible, which fits the 'you' from my interpretation.

My interpretation could be wrong, but yours just doesn't seem to fit what is heard. Again, quite pretty and poetic - but I just don't think it fits.

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 05:25 PM
iam aware of the whole pointing finger thing, i addressed that, i am not making it personal.

right ok i shal try to explain myself better some how.
i am hearing the lyrics as this

"damn my eyes if the should compromise our fulcrum
want and need divide me
then i might as well be gone"


what do you hear it as?

"Dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone."

Which means:

"If strict 'logic' (religious dogma) keeps me from doing something natual and euphoric, then just kill me now."

I found one. 'Silence leech and save your poison' :P

The line you have come up with Muladhara is very poetic and quite nice, but it just doesn't fit the sounds. 'Divine' would have to be 'To-vine' as the 'o' sound on that syllable is clearly audible. The rest of it could fit audibly I guess, although the weightings and emphasis doesn't really seem to work, but that one syllable stands out.

If they should compromise or fall from what you need to find me then I might as well be gone.

That's how I hear it. My interpretation is that Maynard is saying 'If my eyes stop looking forward and up, to the good things, if they stop looking towards the things to which they need to be looking for you to find me, then it's already over'.

I disagree, I've slowed it down and listened over and over, it's definately either divine or divide. The 'div' part is pronounced like in both of those words, I hear no 'oo' sound.

Plus, the 'from' is a clear 'g' sound, which could also be a 'c', 'what' has an 'n' sound before the 't' making it want, the next syllable isn't too clear, could be 'on' as I hear it, 'and' as others hear it or an 'oo' sound as you hear it.

And "Silence leech and save your poison." makes perfect sense, you just don't understand it.

perception is all that matters. It doesnt matter what you mean it is how you're percieved that has the greatest effect.

It matters a LOT what you mean, otherwise communication would be useless. If you are shy around someone because you really like them, they could percieve you as being ignorant, the intention needs to be clear otherwise things get muddied.

It's not all about sounds and feelings, the words are important too.

ToolFool625
05-04-2006, 05:28 PM
Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd Lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross you could hold
Sway or justify my giving away
my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes

Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent Son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So as one survive
Another day and season

Silence leech, and save your poison.
Silence leech, and stay out of my way.

StaringJunky
05-04-2006, 05:36 PM
I think that this is very close but it is clear in the live version that it is most likely "silently just say your poison" or "slience leigon" but that doesn't make sense so it must be the first one

Stev
05-04-2006, 05:51 PM
*deep breath*

I'm going to resist the urge to go off at you, because you're being quite rude and arrogant. I'm generally quite patient, friendly and civil, but you've pushed me beyond my boundaries. I've only just resisted from flaming.

Your arrogance is sickening. This isn't a flame, it's a fact. Just because you think something does not make it right. You're intelligent. I get that. But intelligence should always be bundled with humility. Without humility it doesn't matter how intelligent you are because no-one's going to listen to you anyway.

I understand your interpretation you condescending fuck (that's as flame as it's going to get) it's just a simplistic interpretation. Perhaps you can answer this question I asked in another thread about this most basic of interpretations:

Can I ask how you fit evangelists into a song that doesn't specifically address christianity once. Or into an album that doesn't attack christianity in general at all?

Obviously he's talking about someone important to him who has changed the way he looks at everything and means that he's no longer affected by 'the devil and his'. Perhaps it's my inability to comprehend, but I just can't see how evangelists fit into the story of this song.

You're still saying the 'leeches' are evangelists right?

I'm glad you've slowed it down and listened to it over and over. Perhaps you can listen to this grab (http://home.exetel.com.au/stev/tovine.mp3) just once and explain to me how the 'ooh' that is clear in that clip becomes the 'di' from divine?

EDIT: So I didn't quite resist the urge. But I did my best. You're very rude and frustrating mate.

And Junky, 'legion' does make sense when you consider that it is a biblical reference to a collection of demons and interpret like this:

Before: 'The devil and his (demons) had me down'
Turning point: 'But you changed that all for me'
After: 'Silence legion (demons) stay out of my way'

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 06:40 PM
*deep breath*

I'm going to resist the urge to go off at you, because you're being quite rude and arrogant. I'm generally quite patient, friendly and civil, but you've pushed me beyond my boundaries. I've only just resisted from flaming.


No please, go off at me if that's what you really want to do, let off some steam. Just remember that nothing I say really matters in the long run, eventually we'll get the lyrics and you shouldn't take anything I say to heart because they're just my opinions, they can only affect you if you let them.


Your arrogance is sickening. This isn't a flame, it's a fact. Just because you think something does not make it right. You're intelligent. I get that. But intelligence should always be bundled with humility. Without humility it doesn't matter how intelligent you are because no-one's going to listen to you anyway.


What does this have to do with the song?


I understand your interpretation you condescending fuck (that's as flame as it's going to get) it's just a simplistic interpretation.


You put it up as an example of a sentence that didn't make sense, which led me to believe that you just didn't understand it, try being more clear.

As for it being a simplistic interpretation, well, considering Maynard has mentioned leeches multiple times, I'd consider it to be the most likely lyric.



Perhaps you can answer this question I asked in another thread about this most basic of interpretations:


Can I ask how you fit evangelists into a song that doesn't specifically address christianity once. Or into an album that doesn't attack christianity in general at all?

Obviously he's talking about someone important to him who has changed the way he looks at everything and means that he's no longer affected by 'the devil and his'. Perhaps it's my inability to comprehend, but I just can't see how evangelists fit into the story of this song.


You're still saying the 'leeches' are evangelists right?



This was where I was attempting to explain to you my interpretation of the last two lines of Jambi, which really shouldn't be brought up in this part of the forum but if you insist...

"Silence leech and save your poison." is my interpretation which I think means:

"I won't kneel away who I am to you leech so save your poison and stay out of my way."

Remember the line earlier in the song which goes "No prize that could hold sway or justify my kneeling away my sin" (my interpretation of course)?

The leech doesn't need to be evangelists exactly, that was just an example used to try and help you understand what I meant. It could be any person who tried to make you do something that would change you.

Like a CEO of a record company telling you that if you change a line in a song then they'll sign you. The evangelist example meant somebody who promises eternal life and happiness with God if you just kneel and believe, closing your mind to all other possibilities and your giving up your 'sin'.

The 'sin' is only a 'sin' in the eyes of the 'leech' who is telling Maynard to give up his 'sin', if he does he'll get something good, but Maynard says "if I thought that I would lose my 'sin' then I would wish everything I have, all of this good stuff that I've gained all of the years away just to keep this 'sin'.

Remember, I'm using the word 'sin' because I think the line goes "No prize that could hold sway or justify my kneeling away my sin" and carries on into "and so if I could Id wish it all away if I thought tomorrow would take you away. Youre my peace of mind, my all, my sin, Im just trying to hold on one more day.", though I'm not so sure about the 'my sin' bit in there.


I'm glad you've slowed it down and listened to it over and over. Perhaps you can listen to this grab (http://home.exetel.com.au/stev/tovine.mp3) just once and explain to me how the 'ooh' that is clear in that clip becomes the 'di' from divine?

That sounds like div to me. Does to a fair few other people as well. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't think you're right.

Your interpretation is:

"..... my eyes if they should compromise or fall from what you need to find me then I might as well be gone."

The problem with this line, which is also a problem with my line is that it could really do with a 'for if they should' after 'dim my eyes', even then I'm not sure it actually reads right. If we just assume that it would, then both make sense and I have no problem with what your line says, it just doesn't sound like he sings it to me.

Thinking about it, the way I hear it could also be interpreted as "close my eyes, because if they should compromise what I Love the most then I might as well be dead."

Stev
05-04-2006, 06:53 PM
My apologies. The tone of your latest post was much more friendly, civil and - in general - more palatable. Previous posts felt like you were saying 'I'm right and if you don't understand it, you're stupid', whereas no you're clearly saying 'This is my opinion - it might be right, it might be wrong'. That was the humility I was after. I feel the same way. I feel very strongly about the 'legion' line - strongly enough even that I would bet money on it - but even still it is just an opinion and could be wrong.

Anyhoo, again, I'm sorry and thank you for responding to my heated post with a calm one - things could've easily gone another way.

I wasn't putting that line up as an example of a line that didn't make sense, but rather as an example of a line that seems to have no relevance to its neighbours. I know you believe strongly in your interpretation, but in the context of the song the only person or group who are negatively impacting Maynard in the story of this song is 'the devil and his'. Now perhaps 'the devil and his' refers to evangelists, or record company CEOs or the other things you listed, but either way the imagery he is using is of the devil and demons, and it doesn't seem relevant to revert to the 'leech' imagery that hasn't been seen since Ticks and Leeches.

And I know Maynard's used it before, but that seems an argument against rather than for. He's written a whole song dedicated to leeches and what they mean to him. It seems unlikely to me that he would bring them up in another song (seemingly) completely out of context.

I know what you're saying about the syntax of any of these interpretations. The only way they work is like this:

Damn/Dim my eyes. If they should compromise....whatever goes in here...then I might as well be gone.

That's the only way the syntax can be accurate for if/then. That's how I would see it anyway.

Truthfully it boggles my mind that you hear no 'ooh' sound in the clip I provided. But I guess that's just different perceptions.

Again, thanks for the friendly reply and apologies for the tone of my previous post.

Attila
05-04-2006, 06:55 PM
"Here from the King's mountain view."

Could it be "Jambi Eyes?" It kind of sounds like it to me, and does make sense.

Muladhara
05-04-2006, 07:05 PM
"Here from the King's mountain view."

Could it be "Jambi Eyes?" It kind of sounds like it to me, and does make sense.

It's actually "Jammy eyes."

"Jammy eyes, jammy eyes, jammy eyes, evil should con poor mice, offal good, wonton, cheese, divine peas, then a mighty swell ghee bomb."

scar
05-04-2006, 07:26 PM
Fine, that's how you hear them, this is a discussion forum for what the lyrics might be. I disagree with your interpretation because it doesn't make sense, deal with it.



No there's no need for a sentence to be PERFECT but YES there's EVERY need for a sentence to make sense, otherwise why bother writing it in the first place? Unless it's nonsense rhyme, which this song clearly isn't.



This is fucking classic when there's a song on this album all about pointing the finger at someone when you yourself are guilty of the crime you're accusing that person of commiting.



The issue is that I say that that sentence does not make sense, which it doesn't. You can't understand or handle that apparently and are starting to make it personal.

Read up on sentence structures, grammar and songwriting. Once you've done this (don't rush though), look through Tool's back catalogue and try finding a sentence that does not make sense, a sentence that seems to have no relevance to its immediate neighbours.

I couldn't find one.

i completely agree and i like your signature more and more.

scar
05-04-2006, 07:30 PM
It's actually "Jammy eyes."

"Jammy eyes, jammy eyes, jammy eyes, evil should con poor mice, offal good, wonton, cheese, divine peas, then a mighty swell ghee bomb."


it's obviously "swell ghee boNG." if you can't get that right then get some new speakers!

andistillloveyoursignature

FatalDeath
05-04-2006, 10:01 PM
It's actually "Jammy eyes."

"Jammy eyes, jammy eyes, jammy eyes, evil should con poor mice, offal good, wonton, cheese, divine peas, then a mighty swell ghee bomb."


Wait are....are you serious? Or are you just typing out the sounds a la onomatopoeia-ish. Stupid question to ask, I'm sure. But. What?

JShaney
05-04-2006, 10:22 PM
so we all agree this song is about how much maynard loves sandwhiches, right?

Obviously Jam sandwhiches, maybe strawberry, but he definitely like them jammy!

FatalDeath
05-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Yes, and crumpets. Possibly Fig Newtons.

JShaney
05-04-2006, 11:07 PM
yes, it makes more sense now
I wasn't sure if I liked the song or not....
me and maynard both love figs and jam-be sandwhiches

one thing is for sure....
if i had to fight with maynard over who gets the last
full crumb.........
if I had to "divide" it with him then I'd rather be dead and gone because I want it all for myself!!!!!
YUM!

anopheles
05-05-2006, 12:29 AM
i cannot hear "DAMN my eyes!"

maybe jam, or jamb my eyes but i can't hear damn.

all i hear is j

Muladhara
05-05-2006, 01:56 AM
Wait are....are you serious? Or are you just typing out the sounds a la onomatopoeia-ish. Stupid question to ask, I'm sure. But. What?

Completely serious.

Wanna fight about it?

Muladhara
05-05-2006, 02:26 AM
In this live bit:

http://media.putfile.com/2006-4-30Jambi-dvn

(Hope there's no problem me linking to that)

It definately sounds like "Silence leech and save your poison, silence leech and stay out of my way.", you can hear the 'd' on the end of 'and'.

I'm still stuck on the "full grown/fulcrum" whatever it is though.

Sod it, it's definately the Jammy Eyes thing I put earlier.

Stev
05-05-2006, 02:51 AM
Sorry dude, still not buying it. I can't hear any 'd' sound there.

Can I ask you this, does it sound to you like he runs those two words together if they are two words?

I mean, maybe it's just the rhythm he's chosen for that vocal line, that's definitely possible, but it certainly sounds to me like he inflects it as one word.

Metlamaniac
05-05-2006, 05:09 AM
I think im the first person to say this

after he goes JAMBIZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Im sure there is a lyric where he sais
"compromise of oprah"

as in oprah winfrey ( I cant spell)

EdwardJamesKeenan
05-05-2006, 07:34 AM
"Dim my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need, divine need, then I might as well be gone."

Which means:

"If strict 'logic' (religious dogma) keeps me from doing something natual and euphoric, then just kill me now."



I disagree, I've slowed it down and listened over and over, it's definately either divine or divide. The 'div' part is pronounced like in both of those words, I hear no 'oo' sound.

Plus, the 'from' is a clear 'g' sound, which could also be a 'c', 'what' has an 'n' sound before the 't' making it want, the next syllable isn't too clear, could be 'on' as I hear it, 'and' as others hear it or an 'oo' sound as you hear it.

And "Silence leech and save your poison." makes perfect sense, you just don't understand it.



It matters a LOT what you mean, otherwise communication would be useless. If you are shy around someone because you really like them, they could percieve you as being ignorant, the intention needs to be clear otherwise things get muddied.

It's not all about sounds and feelings, the words are important too.


right, your interpretation sounds lvoely and poetic. but it doesnt fit with the emphasis on the words. he clearly stops after "if they should compromise a fulcrum" and then says "want and need divide me" in a totally difernt tone what he wants and what he needs are 2 different things, almost like he cant accept whatever has happened.
So i am stucking with "want and need divide me" (reference later in the song divide and wither away). Meaning if i am divided then i might as well be dead. other refernces incude "broken" and "severed". i'm going on a themeatic basis here whereas i think ur looking at it more logically, and thats fine before u go off on one again.



the words a linked to sounds and feeling making them all important, but the sounds and feeling say more than the words can, communication is like 90% non-verbal.
Think of some of shakespears work, his plays on words and uses of differnt tones (although that is usually writen open to interpretation)

Jimmeny
05-05-2006, 08:23 AM
Not that it'll make the slightest bit of difference, but I can only here 'damn' twice and then possibly 'dim' the third time, for me, it's not a j because it's not soft enough, it's has a lot of sibilance in it, which you get from forming a d or t sound, not from a j sound. I also cannot hear any 'b's so anyone who can hear 'jambi' is totally mad.

Also, dunno if this has been said, but you all seem convinced it's either 'want' or 'wanton' but I can only hear 'watching me...'

Muladhara
05-05-2006, 09:21 AM
right, your interpretation sounds lvoely and poetic. but it doesnt fit with the emphasis on the words. he clearly stops after "if they should compromise a fulcrum" and then says "want and need divide me" in a totally difernt tone what he wants and what he needs are 2 different things, almost like he cant accept whatever has happened.
So i am stucking with "want and need divide me" (reference later in the song divide and wither away). Meaning if i am divided then i might as well be dead. other refernces incude "broken" and "severed". i'm going on a themeatic basis here whereas i think ur looking at it more logically, and thats fine before u go off on one again.



the words a linked to sounds and feeling making them all important, but the sounds and feeling say more than the words can, communication is like 90% non-verbal.
Think of some of shakespears work, his plays on words and uses of differnt tones (although that is usually writen open to interpretation)

I've had enough of discussing it with you, like I said, if you can't see why 'Want and need...' beginning a new sentence in that line I can't be bothered explaining it to you.

transcend187
05-05-2006, 09:22 AM
I think its different each time.

Damn my eyes!
Jambi eyes! (or "Jam my eyes")
Dim my eyes if they should compromise....

EDIT:
Important point:

"Jambi" is sometimes spelled "Djambi", meaning its a very hard J sound.

transcend187
05-05-2006, 09:39 AM
Hmmm.... although I thought that there was no way it could be a reference to Jambi the Genie, I'm starting to change my mind.

From another thread:

Jambi used to get the wishes wrong and fuck things up even worse than when they started.

I think this is incredibly important, and its likely that at least part of the meaning of the song is related to the Genie, if not all of it.

The "Damn my eyes" part... I still think its different every time.

"Damn my eyes!
Jambi eyes!
Dim/damn my eyes if they should compromise..."

He's saying, damn my eyes, because my eyes are Jambi eyes. Meaning his eyes see things, wish for them to be a certain way, but screw it up.

genji
05-05-2006, 11:00 AM
this part isn't that big of a part, but after "you're my piece of mind" where it has like [my own / my all] or whatever, i think it sounds like "my home"...as in "you're my piece of mind, my home, i said i'm just trying to hold on one more day"

anyone else think so?

el_boss
05-05-2006, 11:53 AM
I made this set of lyrics without looking too much on the progress that has been made so far. I wanted to give an unbiased version. I know alot of it doesn't make sense, but I wrote it as I heard it. Hopefully it will bring some new ideas to the project.
----------------------------


Infinite king's mountain view
Here/hear from a wild dream come true

Feast like sultan I do,
on treasures and flesh never few

But I
I would
Wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side i'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up turned me around

So I
I
I
I

I would
I would
I would wish this all away

Dream like a martyr dusk 'til dawn
Bed like a hooker all night long
Chant to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it away
No brazzle/(brass who) could hold sway or justify my kneeling away my sinner soul

If i could i'd wish it all away
If i found tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace/piece of mind my own my (sad/said and)/saddened just try to hold on one more day

dim/dam/damn/dear | my/maya | eyes/i've
dimuyize(?)

jim/jam | buy/by | eyes
jambiaize(?)

dim/dam/damn/dear | my/maya | eyes/i've
dimuyize(?)

If they should compromise a/our fulcrum/(folk room)
what you need to find, leave it, and my ass will be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on (the level and)/benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until (my* two/chor/tool)/mature become one
(*I really can't hear the "the" here)

Shine on forever
Shine on (the level and)/benevolent sun
Shine on a code/coal of seven/sever
Shine until the two become one

Divided and withering away
Divide and wither away
Shine it upon many lighter ways (the level and)/benevolent sun

Breathe/bray/brave in union
Breathe/bray/brave in union
Breathe/bray/brave in union
Breathe/bray/brave in union
Breathe/bray/brave in union

So as one survive another day in season
Silence(d) leech and save your poison
Silence(d) leech and stay out of my way

Spaztiq
05-05-2006, 02:43 PM
My gawd people. I posted the correct answer about midway down page 4 and no one even bothered to read/respond to it?
Now I've listened to that live posting made above and it confirms, undoubtedly, my translation. I have absolutely no idea where some of you are coming up with words like devine and fulcrum...
Yeah... I know I probably sound like a pompous ass, but I can't watch this surreal debate anymore. :P

Here it is again:
---------------------------------------
So if I could Id wish it all away;
If I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn;
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Jambi
Jambi

'Till my salvation come from myself over wonton need to finally fit,
I might as well be gone.
----------------------------------------

It's pretty plain english, not so convoluted like some seem to be making it out to be.

JShaney
05-05-2006, 03:02 PM
fit???

Spaztiq
05-05-2006, 03:10 PM
fit???

yes fit... as in fit in.
Unless his salvation.. ie: being at peace with himself, comes from within, as opposed to gaining salvation from simply fitting in with the crowd, being like everyone else, he might as well not exist.

Is that a little clearer?

Biscuit Oil
05-05-2006, 04:47 PM
So no one else hears
"Dim my eyes if they should compromise a hope of wanting the Divine Need
then I might as well be gone..."?

Does anyone think this would even make sense? A lot of the guesses of this part aren't coherent: "Jambi eyes if they should..." <-- Makes no sense.

Some of you seem to be hearing the "hope" part... and some hear the "divine" and "need".

FatalDeath
05-05-2006, 05:03 PM
I hear "breathe" once MAYBE twice, but that's only in the beginning of that section, so I think it's just more unclear in the beginning, then clearly "pray" by the end. Either that or it's both...but I don't know if that would make sense.

bogsnarth
05-05-2006, 05:41 PM
My gawd people. I posted the correct answer about midway down page 4 and no one even bothered to read/respond to it?
Now I've listened to that live posting made above and it confirms, undoubtedly, my translation. I have absolutely no idea where some of you are coming up with words like devine and fulcrum...
Yeah... I know I probably sound like a pompous ass, but I can't watch this surreal debate anymore. :P

Here it is again:
---------------------------------------
So if I could Id wish it all away;
If I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn;
Just trying to hold on one more day.

Jambi
Jambi

'Till my salvation come from myself over wonton need to finally fit,
I might as well be gone.
----------------------------------------

It's pretty plain english, not so convoluted like some seem to be making it out to be.
that could not be more wrong.

Stev
05-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Maybe Maynard just really needs a dumpling :)

implandnoises
05-06-2006, 01:01 AM
Come on guys, you know whats going on don't you? There is no use trying to figure out the original lyrics from the live concerts. Maynard is reading these posts and then using the alternative suggestions when he sings live. Cunning bastard...

kabir
05-06-2006, 01:13 AM
look here's the big problem.

as it is now, we have -

damn my eyes IF they should compromise a fulcrum watching me divide me, THEN i might as well be gone.

that doesn't make a lick of sense. IF, THEN. there's no IF here that makes sense, esp cuz there's no verb or adverb before "divide me."

IF they should compromise [our fulcrum one to need] divide me
THEN i might as well be gone.

anyone have any thoughts about how this phrase could make sense grammatically?

Stev
05-06-2006, 02:39 AM
'compromise' and 'divide' are both verbs, I'm not quite sure what's missing :S

el_boss
05-06-2006, 03:13 AM
I can't help but hear an L after "divide"

Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum...

(Want you,)/(one to) need you, if I leave, then I might as well begone/be gone

Wow this makes even less sense. I guess I'm stuck on the "divide me" part.

Valkyrie
05-06-2006, 09:33 AM
look here's the big problem.

as it is now, we have -

damn my eyes IF they should compromise a fulcrum watching me divide me, THEN i might as well be gone.

that doesn't make a lick of sense. IF, THEN. there's no IF here that makes sense, esp cuz there's no verb or adverb before "divide me."

IF they should compromise [our fulcrum one to need] divide me
THEN i might as well be gone.

anyone have any thoughts about how this phrase could make sense grammatically?

Hey Kabir. What up?

I think it makes MUCH more sense if it's:

"Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum. Need and want divide me, So I might as well be gone."

If my eyes disrupt the key point that we both get leverage and basically benefits from one another, then damn them.

In that situation, my needs and my wants twist me, so why am I even around? I'm better off gone for the both of us.

That is how I hear it, and how I interpret it.

opiated
05-06-2006, 12:03 PM
As for the whole "Jambi eyes/Dim my eyes/Damn my eyes" issue, I'm hearing "Damn my eyes."

Just the two cents I'm throwing into the kettle here.

scar
05-06-2006, 01:26 PM
look here's the big problem.

as it is now, we have -

damn my eyes IF they should compromise a fulcrum watching me divide me, THEN i might as well be gone.

that doesn't make a lick of sense. IF, THEN. there's no IF here that makes sense, esp cuz there's no verb or adverb before "divide me."

IF they should compromise [our fulcrum one to need] divide me
THEN i might as well be gone.

anyone have any thoughts about how this phrase could make sense grammatically?


kabir,
i seriously think people are reaching here, trying to find some kind of life-altering lyric that can somehow give us another peek into TOOL's (or at least Maynard's) view of God and religion. it sounds so simple to me. you are right about the cause/effect, if/then structure of the phrase, but that sentence starts AFTER:

"dim/damn my eyes if they should compromise a full-grown wanton need."
that completes that sentence. i then hear, clear as a bell:

"IF I need (in reference to the wanton need, just spoken)
THEN I might as well be gone."

i sincerely hope this helps.

sub_atomic
05-06-2006, 01:40 PM
Listening to Lateralus today. The song, not the album.

Sounds like he says "Jambi on the lines of reason."

But he says "Drawn beyond the lines of reason."

Good example of how Maynard's D's sound like J's.

Wanna fight about it?

Kyndig
05-06-2006, 04:25 PM
"So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silently, just [say / save] your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way"

I haven't read this entire thread, but most of it. I haven't seen anyone point this out yet.
The line is "Silently just say your PRICE AND"

-Kyndig

The Mars Volta
05-06-2006, 05:11 PM
hi guys, im new,
but personally, i think that Maynard says
"If in the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true"
any thoughts?

caiman
05-06-2006, 05:57 PM
At the very end I hear "silent legions, save your poson. Silent legions, stay out of my way."

colegrove34
05-06-2006, 06:46 PM
Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side Id found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr, dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the Devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
n I would if I could
I would wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Id wish it all away

No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my kneeling away, my center

So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my peace of mind, my all, my center,
just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Dim my eyes!
Dim my eyes, if they should compromise a fulcrum
Wants and needs divide me, then I might as well be gone.


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent soul/sun.
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun.
Shine down upon the sinners
Shine until the two become one.

Divided and withering away
Divided and withering away
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

So as one, survive another day in season
Silence leech and save your poison
Silence leech, stay out my way.


As far as I can tell after listening to it at 1/2 speed and with a vocalized EQ.

Just listened to it again, 100% correct.

kabir
05-06-2006, 06:52 PM
"IF I need (in reference to the wanton need, just spoken)
THEN I might as well be gone."



(Want you,)/(one to) need you, if I leave, then I might as well begone/be gone


now both of these actually make sense, replacing "divide me then i might as well be gone" with "IF I leave/need, then....".

Cryptic
05-06-2006, 08:04 PM
I'm sorry. I keep hearing "Pray in union". Does no one else hear this?
Yep agree!

Also I think he doesn't always say

"Shine on benevolent son" but "Shine on forever in Song"??

but alternates between the 2??? Any takers??

onex
05-06-2006, 08:07 PM
I hear:

"Damn my eyes,
Jambi eyes
Damn my eyes if they should compromise a fulcrum
Want and need
If I need, then I might as well be gone..."

And the last bit, I hear:

"Silent legions save your PREACHIN'
Silent legions stay out of my way"

cranstonman
05-06-2006, 09:15 PM
I think its rediculous that everyone is fighting about the lyrics. Obviously, maynard is the only one who knows what they are. i admit that there are obviously wrong lyrics posted, but why not (at least) work together to figure it out. so you could move on.

cranstonman
05-06-2006, 09:18 PM
if nothing else, take your own interpretation and apply it. it may prove useful to the individual rather than trying to figure out what it means to maynard.

JShaney
05-06-2006, 11:03 PM
What are jambi eyes????
I apologize if it has already been defined by any of you and I missed it, but I am not sure what Jambi means, or what jambi eyes could be..

Do we all figure that whatever the lyrics are after (my interpretation) Damn my eyes should serve as some type of explanation that would give reason for feeling as though someone "might as well be gone"??? Or is this not neccesary.....

so I think two words (fulcrum/fool from/fall from/etc and divide/divine/etc) are so tough to decipher, and that without knowing these it is impossible to get it all right.

el_boss
05-07-2006, 12:38 AM
What are jambi eyes????
I apologize if it has already been defined by any of you and I missed it, but I am not sure what Jambi means, or what jambi eyes could be..

so I think two words (fulcrum/fool from/fall from/etc and divide/divine/etc) are so tough to decipher, and that without knowing these it is impossible to get it all right.
You forgot folk room :)
The only explanation I can come up with for the Jambi eyes thing is if he actaually is reffering to the genie thing some people have brought up. Like, Jambi take care of my eyes or something.
"Silent legions save your PREACHIN'
Silent legions stay out of my way"
If it is preacin' he's pronouncing it poichin', no not even that, I can't hear preachin' at all. It clearly starts with poy and has a S in there somewhere.

@colegrove34:
No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my kneeling away, my center

I'm starting to hear this: Or justify my giving away my sinner soul (not so)

Shine on benevolent soul/sun.

Maybe: Shine on the level and son

Shine down upon the sinners

I can't hear the down upon. I hear something like sever instead of many. This sounds more like:

shined on a cold of sever

It shined on a cold created from severing. Maybe from making the one become two?

Breathe in union

So no ones hearing brave or bray like me? Bray is the perfect union between breathe and pray for those who believe it's pray.

onex
05-07-2006, 01:22 AM
I say it's "preachin' " because after playing that part over and over, trying to hear "poison" like everyone else, my ears just would not accept it.
Plus, I think "silent legions, save your preachin' " makes a lot more sense.

el_boss
05-07-2006, 01:50 AM
now both of these actually make sense, replacing "divide me then i might as well be gone" with "IF I leave/need, then....".

I even came up with a motivation for my version.

Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum. Want you need you, if I leave, then I might as well be gone.

The fulcrum is their love, the point which they draw power from. "Damn my eyes" getting tempted by other things, treasures and flesh for example, flesh being sex or something. "If I leave" if he lets the temptation conquer him, if his belief in the fulcrum isn't strong enough. He doesn't deserve to be there, he "might as well be gone".

TheResidentEvil
05-07-2006, 06:27 AM
Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me thin
I might as well be gone

And this line:
No prize you could hold sway or justify my kneeling away

IS
No price you could hold sway or justify my kneeling away and in the live version posted a few posts up, he says giving instead of kneeling

Jerk off
05-07-2006, 11:35 AM
Given the kings mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The Devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side Id found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I...
I
I
I

I would,
I would,
I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the Devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along.

But I
I would if I could
I would wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Id wish it all away

No prize you could hold [could hold] sway
Or justify my kneeling away, my sentence

So if I could Id wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
Youre my peace of mind, my all,
I said Im just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes!
"Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum.
Need and want divide me, So I might as well be gone."



Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the sinners
Shine until the two become one

Divide and wither it away
Divide and wither it away
Shine down upon the many,
Light our way benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

So, as one, survive another day in season
(Silence leech and save your poison?)
Silently just stay out of my way.

Edits in bold


Reason. He lives on a mountian in AZ. Why would you hide from a dream? I really think it sounds like damn, but i could be wrong.... I can hear the fulcrum part plain as day.

Spaztiq
05-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Well, I must say, I admit defeat at the hands of Maynards singing.
I'm completely confused now as to what it is he says. I've gone through most of the responses on here, and as long as I'm reading along, each and everyone of them actually seem to fit with what he's singing, even my wildly different oppinion fits (IMO of course).

I think my head is gonna explode.

Appologies as well for sounding like a righteous ass back there.

Muladhara
05-07-2006, 03:42 PM
I hear something else now, still not sure.

"Dim my eyes if they should compromise. If all the wants and needs divide me then I might as well be gone."

-shrugs-

Convoy_X
05-07-2006, 05:09 PM
[Pray / Prayed] like a [martyr / father] [does / dusk] to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long



I'm sure that it's

Pray like a father dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long

grug
05-07-2006, 07:18 PM
What I hear:

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or just a fine line
Kneeling away, my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind, my all, my center
Just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
Want and need
if I need
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on, upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divide, I'm withering away

Shine on, upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, leech and save your poison
Silence, leech, and stay out of my way

Nicolai
05-07-2006, 11:46 PM
Just had a thought this morning in the shower of all places.

Could the song sort of be about his mother??

Now The Benevolent sun could be her light, wings 1+2 are filled with lights referrences to her.

10,000 days speaks of JMK as one who surely saved a life and Jambi seems to me to be filled with all these pretty negative things like falling in love with the dark side, begging like a hooker, tempting the devil etc.

So all in all Jambi could be MJK reflecting on his past life to the point where JMK's condition opens his eyes and brings him to peace with himself.

Maybe the Szukalski sculpture, called The Struggle, on the cover artwork represents his inner struggles and the eagle is JMK. So Justin is about to release the eagle, on the next pic it sits on the sculpture, maybe she was the reason MJK came be at peace with his inner struggle.

Make any sense??

Offreality
05-08-2006, 12:20 AM
my interpretation....

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

<b>greived like a father does to dawn</b> (I know...probably wrong)
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or just a fine line
Kneeling away, my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind, my all, my center
Just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes
If they should compromise
<b>I'll fall from</b>
What you need
if I need
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on, upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divide, I am withering away (x2)

Shine on, upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, leech and save your poison
Silence, leech, and stay out of my way

kabir
05-08-2006, 01:40 AM
Damn my eyes if they should compromise a fulcrum
Want and need
If I need, then I might as well be gone..."


this i like a LOT. added to tdn/Lyrics, sir.

win
05-08-2006, 01:14 PM
the devil and his hand me down

Tachyon
05-08-2006, 02:13 PM
Who's doing the second voice on the live-shows-mp3s of Jambi???? Justin or Adam?? Or where it just some samples?

Xariable
05-08-2006, 02:17 PM
Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me 'round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneeling away, my sinner

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind, my all, my saturn
Just try to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
If they should compromise
<something something> What you need to find me
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on, upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divide and wither it away (x2)

Shine on, upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, leech and save your poison
Silence, leech, and stay out of my way

jason92782
05-08-2006, 06:44 PM
"Divide and I'll wither it away."
"Divide and I'll wither all away."

I'm hearing some extra small words in between.
Don't know if it's correct but wanted to see if anyone else heared them.

wix3l
05-08-2006, 07:20 PM
Maynard definitely says Jambi in the middle part, goddamnit.

If you don't believe me, download Jambi from Coachella 06. I'll send it if you want, pm me.

Neuk77
05-08-2006, 09:04 PM
I don't know if this have been said already but I think the final lyrics in the song are....

Silence legion, save your praise and...
Silence legion, stay out of my way.

And in this I think he is talking about "us", the fans.. I saw a post that talked about the opening lyrics and Maynard being the on the Kings Mountain view (the stage) and basically the song being about his fame and fortune but would give it all away for his son... or something.. Anyway, in this sense I think the ending lyrics I suggested would be approriate. Telling us to save our praise and leave him alone. Just a suggestion.
(again. sorry if this has already been discussed and I'm just late to the party)

JShaney
05-08-2006, 09:11 PM
Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true (he's dreaming he is god)
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few (admits he'd take advantage of the benefits)

But I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day (He'd rather avoid the loss of someone he loves than "feast like a sultan)

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me 'round (living a "dark" life he "feasted", but now he has lost someone he loved and can no longer "feast")

So I, I would wish this all away (if he were god he'd save someone rather than watch them die while he feasts from his "mountain view")

prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
begged like a hooker all night long
shout to the devil with my song
and got what i wanted all along (he's kneelt(sold himself) to god for help and thinks god would rather "feast like a sultan" than help him, but when he tried shouting at the devil he felt his call was answered)

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away (same explanation as before)

no prize that could hold, sway, or justify
my kneeling away my center (The prize of going to heaven does not justify him selling his soul to a sultan)

so if i could i'd wish it'd all away
if i thought tommorwow would take you away
you're my piece of mind, my all, my center
(I'm) just tryin to hold on one more day (if i was god i admit I would enjoy the advantages, but I would give it all up rather than lose you)

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
damn my eyes if they should compromise (expose or make liable to danger) our fulcrum (support or point of stability for which allows movement)
want and need divide me
then I might as well be gone (If I'm willing endanger peoples stability because I'm divided by want and needs and/or I do thing for my benefit even if at the expense of other, than they might as well stop counting on me) and (If I could watch people suffer while I feasted from a mountain view and required "one to knee/kneel/bow to find/talk to/pray to me" then I deserve eternal Damnation)
...
So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, leech and save your poison
Silence, leech, and stay out of my way (I will just try to make it through each day as I mourn my losses.. while all these bloodsucking evangelists' worship their sultan, I'd rather go to hell than sell myself to someone who feasts on treasures and flesh)

JShaney
05-08-2006, 09:13 PM
man.....that was a little much....sorry guys

magnolia
05-08-2006, 11:42 PM
From hearing it live, I definately know it's "Here from the king's mountain view", i know that he says "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes", then i'm unsure whether it's damn or dim after that. And finally, I am pretty much certain that it's "Damn/Dim my eyes if they should compromise a fulcrum want and need divide me then i might as well be gone".

Muladhara
05-09-2006, 12:53 AM
I think it's hilarious that so many people think it's "Jambi" or "Jambi eyes".

If the title of the song wasn't Jambi, nobody would think he was saying anything other than "Damn my eyes".

Carry on. :D

JShaney
05-09-2006, 06:15 AM
Muladhara....they don't "think" it's Jambi eyes, they "know" it's Jambi eyes....
lol

and if you ever were to look into maynards eyes, you would think they were jammy too!

Muladhara
05-09-2006, 06:22 AM
Muladhara....they don't "think" it's Jambi eyes, they "know" it's Jambi eyes....
lol

and if you ever were to look into maynards eyes, you would think they were jammy too!


Mmmm, jammy eyes on toast...

paraflux
05-09-2006, 08:26 AM
I think it's hilarious that so many people think it's "Jambi" or "Jambi eyes".

If the title of the song wasn't Jambi, nobody would think he was saying anything other than "Damn my eyes".

Carry on. :D
Your entire logic on it not being "jambi eyes" or "jam bi eyes" is based on your interpretation of the song and that it doesnt make sense to you that they woudl say that. It certainly cant be based on what you are hearing. I distinctly hear the J and the B on their reflective syllables.

EulogyCallinMe
05-09-2006, 09:13 AM
personally i hear

"damn my eyes
jam-by-i (or it could be jambi eyes...)
dim my eyes if they should..."

edit: in the live version i heard it seems to support my therory af the above statement except im pretty certain the second line is Jam-bye-i, not jam-by eyes, but now im thinking the rest is:
dim my eyes
jam-by-i
dim my eyes if they should compromise...

scar
05-09-2006, 10:25 AM
i still think it is possible to be, or to feel, "Jambi-ized." like baptized or solarized. that is what i hear, and it makes a little more sense than "Jambi eyes," and a lot more sense than "Jambi...." which leaves out the "S" or even "Z" sound that is definitely there. the "ed" sound is faint, but there.

by the way, try and listen to the lyrics at a moderate level of volume. this is true with most music, but especially TOOL. there is a point where, if played too loud, the voice and the instruments muddle together. maybe even walk into another room while listening. some sounds become much clearer. just trying to throw out a helpful suggestion.

EulogyCallinMe
05-09-2006, 10:36 AM
i still think it is possible to be, or to feel, "Jambi-ized." like baptized or solarized. that is what i hear, and it makes a little more sense than "Jambi eyes," and a lot more sense than "Jambi...." which leaves out the "S" or even "Z" sound that is definitely there. the "ed" sound is faint, but there.

i really dont hear the ED part at all i hear the end ringing out be it eyes, i, or whatever and the s or z is very possible but i think it may just be the way hes enunciating may add the s or z that isnt actually there especially because the line before it has it.

Staticfactory
05-09-2006, 10:37 AM
I don't know how many times this has been suggested (if at all) but I believe the lyrics are:

Silence leech and save your preachin'
Silence leech and stay out of my way.

Also, the term "Damn my eyes" is quite common... I'm not sure what "Jambi eyes" is supposed to mean, but it's quite easy to mix up the J/D and B/M palate sounds, especially when you're dealing with accent and emphasis.

Staticfactory
05-09-2006, 10:45 AM
I don't know if this have been said already but I think the final lyrics in the song are....

Silence legion, save your praise and...
Silence legion, stay out of my way.

And in this I think he is talking about "us", the fans.. I saw a post that talked about the opening lyrics and Maynard being the on the Kings Mountain view (the stage) and basically the song being about his fame and fortune but would give it all away for his son... or something.. Anyway, in this sense I think the ending lyrics I suggested would be approriate. Telling us to save our praise and leave him alone. Just a suggestion.
(again. sorry if this has already been discussed and I'm just late to the party)

Actually a good take... interesting.

EulogyCallinMe
05-09-2006, 10:53 AM
in the live putfile version i clearly hear at the end "silence leech and (but i still cant hear if he says save or say it may be say...but that kind of doesnt make sense) your poison, silence leech and stay out of my way"

Muladhara
05-09-2006, 01:51 PM
Your entire logic on it not being "jambi eyes" or "jam bi eyes" is based on your interpretation of the song and that it doesnt make sense to you that they woudl say that. It certainly cant be based on what you are hearing. I distinctly hear the J and the B on their reflective syllables.

Actually I hear "Damn my eyes, damn my eyes, dim my eyes". I've heard people shout "DAMN IT!" with the 'd' sounding slightly like a 'j'.

ThaMain1
05-10-2006, 11:32 AM
This is a song for his Mother and his reference to a dividing river in using Jambi is a metaphor for his internal conflict between his love for his mother and his mother's unending faith in God while living all the while an excruciating debilitating aneurisym for 10,000 days ( about 27 years) and his choice to deny that very God, and his ability to profit from it quite nicely, which is evidenced thru out his music. Maybe his sight of her undaunting faith thru such a painful reality has made him reevaluate his own beliefs therefor pulling or dividing him between the life that gave him fortune and fame of a "sultan" and the wish to be changed by his mother. He states he would give up this life of "evil" and "dabbling" gained fame if he could just have her back, I believe he further reveals this true nature of his feelings of deep devotion to and love of his mother in Wings 1 and 2, but in the "divide" he exposed his aggravation at her God in APC's Judith.

He wants her to "Dim" his eyes as if to say Ignorance is Bliss in the Divine and that his knowledge of the world and his perception of it's reality is the cause of his lack of Faith in his Mother's God.

Its Silent Legions save your preaching.
Silent Legions stay out of my way.

Again here he shows he is conflicted, this time with the church rather than God himself. He doesn't want to hear the ignorant dribbling of the Church.

el_boss
05-10-2006, 02:52 PM
After listening to it a couple hundred more times I've come to hear some new things.

No prize here could hold, sway or justify my milling away my sinner soul

shine dawn forever
shined on the devil and son
shine down upon the broken
shine until the two become one

shine on forever
shine on the devil and son
shined on a cold of sever
shine until the two become one

SunBurN
05-10-2006, 02:59 PM
personally i hear

"damn my eyes
jam-by-i (or it could be jambi eyes...)
dim my eyes if they should..."

edit: in the live version i heard it seems to support my therory af the above statement except im pretty certain the second line is Jam-bye-i, not jam-by eyes, but now im thinking the rest is:
dim my eyes
jam-by-i
dim my eyes if they should compromise...

Sorry, but I have the live version from the Seattle show and it's completely clear he's singing "Dim my eyes" x3. I never here a Da for Damn or Ja sound for Jambi...it just isn't there. I think everyone is trying too hard to come up with a connection and make sense out of the title of the song. If there is a connection, I'm very sure it isn't in that part of the song.

Muladhara
05-10-2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry, but I have the live version from the Seattle show and it's completely clear he's singing "Dim my eyes" x3. I never here a Da for Damn or Ja sound for Jambi...it just isn't there. I think everyone is trying too hard to come up with a connection and make sense out of the title of the song. If there is a connection, I'm very sure it isn't in that part of the song.

I'm happy to say it's "dim my eyes", I personally think it's "damn my eyes" twice then "dim my eyes".

Ain't no Jambi.

a reflection
05-10-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm still hearing :

Silence Legion - save you poison
Silence Legion - stay out of my way

'Legion' as singular -- important as Legion was the only demon named in the bible that Jesus exorcised. (Goes quite well with the rest of the lyrics' meaning, IMO)

-- and I'm also hearing "tempted the devil with my song"

Benevolent Son
05-10-2006, 08:43 PM
"Divide and I'll wither it away."
"Divide and I'll wither all away."

I'm hearing some extra small words in between.
Don't know if it's correct but wanted to see if anyone else heared them.
C'mon, dude. "heared"?

Benevolent Son
05-10-2006, 08:45 PM
C'mon, dude. "heared"?
Fuckin' longhorn.

[=TrasH=]
05-10-2006, 08:51 PM
Are you guys kidding? You dont suppose it is:

"The Devil in here's had me down
In love with the dark side I fell"

Has not anyone noticed this before now? WTF guys, open your ears!

(Kinda love Maynards little Yoda reference though. Hehe)

I think the problem in here is people read the lyrics first, and then listen second. Once you have something in your head, it's too late...your brain will do anything to make you hear what you are thinking...

Muladhara
05-11-2006, 05:00 AM
']Are you guys kidding? You dont suppose it is:

"The Devil in here's had me down
In love with the dark side I fell"

Has not anyone noticed this before now? WTF guys, open your ears!

(Kinda love Maynards little Yoda reference though. Hehe)

I think the problem in here is people read the lyrics first, and then listen second. Once you have something in your head, it's too late...your brain will do anything to make you hear what you are thinking...


Um no, I listened first and I thought it was "found", which rhymes with "down." Considering he's rhyming throughout most of this song I think that's a perfectly valid interpretation.

ThaMain1
05-11-2006, 09:02 AM
Its
Silent Legions save your preaching.
Silent Legions stay out of my way.

I like the idea that it could refer to the demon Legion and would make sense if the song is about him wanting to deny the dark side.

Muladhara
05-11-2006, 09:18 AM
Its
Silent Legions save your preaching.
Silent Legions stay out of my way.

I like the idea that it could refer to the demon Legion and would make sense if the song is about him wanting to deny the dark side.

You like the idea that it could refer to demons but that doesn't mean that it does.

I think it's "Silence leech and save your poison.", I prefer this because it doesn't require knowledge about an obscure moment in Christian mythology where Jesus casts demons out of a man and into a herd of pigs. Also because it sounds like that is what he says. Also because it semi-references Ticks & Leeches.

Staticfactory
05-11-2006, 09:22 AM
I still believe it's:

Silence LEECH and save your preachin'
Silence LEECH and stay out of my way.

Staticfactory
05-11-2006, 09:23 AM
I think it's "Silence leech and save your poison."

I don't understand how you can hear "poison". I'm 99.9% sure it's "preaching".

Edit: For 2 reasons, actually...

1) Leeches aren't poisonous.
2) Leech and preach rhyme.

BartG
05-11-2006, 10:17 AM
2) Leech and preach rhyme.

Rhyme is no reason...

Staticfactory
05-11-2006, 11:44 AM
Rhyme is no reason...

Not unless it dawns on you that the rest of the song rhymes...

Cold Fluorescence
05-11-2006, 12:45 PM
I don't understand how you can hear "poison". I'm 99.9% sure it's "preaching".




You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.

Staticfactory
05-11-2006, 01:28 PM
You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.

Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.

[=TrasH=]
05-11-2006, 01:36 PM
Um no, I listened first and I thought it was "found", which rhymes with "down." Considering he's rhyming throughout most of this song I think that's a perfectly valid interpretation.

Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.

Muladhara
05-12-2006, 12:38 AM
']Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.

Maybe.

Cold Fluorescence
05-12-2006, 07:40 AM
Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.

I totally see your point on "poison" not fitting the leech metaphor, but I just can't hear the "ch" sound in "preaching."

SteelKilroy
05-12-2006, 12:38 PM
Try listening to the "divide" portion like this...

Divide and I'll wither it away,
Divide and I'll wither all away...

That seems to be what I am hearing...

Warartist
05-12-2006, 01:38 PM
I still believe it's:

Silence LEECH and save your preachin'
Silence LEECH and stay out of my way.

i think its LEGIONS, and POISONS, and SILENT.

bogsnarth
05-12-2006, 02:07 PM
just an idea, might've been mentioned before:

silently just save your poison
silently just stay out of my way..

or some hybrid of that with what others have suggested.. maybe:

silent(ce?) legion, save your poison silently
just stay out of my way

Clutch it like an AEnima
05-12-2006, 11:32 PM
he says silent legion ,save your poison......you can hear it clear as day on the live version