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resonance.
12-20-2006, 07:49 PM
I really want it to be "pray like a martyr does till dawn"

imatoolhed
12-20-2006, 08:02 PM
i posted these "my edits" when it first came out... thought i would again



02 jambi •
[Here from] the king's mountain view
[Here from] the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had [missed out]
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a [martyr] [ dusk] to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No [pressure could ] hold sway
[Or justify my]
[Kneeling] away, [my sinner]

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
[my all]
my center I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Dim my eyes]
[Jam-bi-eye]
[Damn my eyes]
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
[Want and need]
[If I leave it]
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

[Divide and wither away] X2

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
[Silently, just] save your poison
[Silently, just] stay out of my way

LRonHubbard
12-23-2006, 12:35 PM
i posted these "my edits" when it first came out... thought i would again



02 jambi •
[Here from] the king's mountain view
[Here from] the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had [missed out]
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a [martyr] [ dusk] to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No [pressure could ] hold sway
[Or justify my]
[Kneeling] away, [my sinner]

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
[my all]
my center I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Dim my eyes]
[Jam-bi-eye]
[Damn my eyes]
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
[Want and need]
[If I leave it]
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

[Divide and wither away] X2

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
[Silently, just] save your poison
[Silently, just] stay out of my way




pretty much the samw way i hear it....though he does say "damn my eyes"....

oualt-edu
12-23-2006, 12:57 PM
i think that it is suppose to be shine on benenolent SON when i was at one of the shows this fall during jambi there was a baby in the animation, he also talks about two becoming one

benjamin
12-28-2006, 07:52 PM
Yeah, it's "Shilah, benevolent son." Shilah=Native American for Brother.=my unborn son, due Jan.2...not...the baby part is true, not the lyrics.

About the "Pray like a..." line. I still say it's "Brave like a martyr dusk to dawn."
But if it's pray ...IF! Than it's as follows.
Prayed like a father does to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
...father prays like a hooker begs, they both have to, to survive...

Oh boy...

BlanketEffect
12-29-2006, 08:27 AM
Well, a martyr prays fervantly, too.

K1DA
12-29-2006, 09:01 AM
Here are some correct lyrics for you guys, I'm very sure on these after listening to it in quite a few different live settings.

Damn my eyes if they should comprimise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

BlanketEffect
12-29-2006, 12:49 PM
Except it's "wants and needs"

K1DA
12-30-2006, 05:03 PM
Yeah your right. I guess it had been too long since I had listened to the album version.

Intolerable
12-30-2006, 10:02 PM
Hello everyone - here is what I hear when I listen to the song. Brackets indicate where I really can't tell.

If in the king's mountain view
If in the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I
I would
Wish it
All away

If I
Thought I'd
Lose you
Just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the darkside I found
Dabbalin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you'd change that all for me
Lifted me up turned me 'round
So I, I, I, I, I would, I would, I would wish this all away

Brave like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I, I would, if I could, I would
Wish it away, wish it away, wish it all away, wanna wish it all away
No price it could hold sway or justify my [kneel]? and awake my sin
I said if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow they'd take you away
You're my peace of mind, my own, I said I'm just trying to hold on one more day
Damn my eyes
Jambi eyes
Damn my eyes if they should compromise a fulcrum
[Once I need you if i'm leavin I might as well be gone]?

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken, shine until the two become one
Shine on forever, shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the sever, shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away
Shine down upon the many light our way, benevolent sun

Breathe in union

So as one survive another day
In season silent leigons save your poison
Silent leigons stay out of my way.

K1DA
12-31-2006, 07:07 AM
Yeah, it's "Shilah, benevolent son." Shilah=Native American for Brother.=my unborn son, due Jan.2...not...the baby part is true, not the lyrics.

About the "Pray like a..." line. I still say it's "Brave like a martyr dusk to dawn."
But if it's pray ...IF! Than it's as follows.
...father prays like a hooker begs, they both have to, to survive...

Oh boy...
It doesn't really make sense to "pray to dawn" as in, it makes sense to "pray to god". I really dont get how you think it has to be "to dawn" if its father, I mean, they have the same amount of syllables and can sound very similar (father, martyr).

one with nature
01-02-2007, 07:43 PM
"Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Wants and needs divide me
Then I might as well be gone"

meaning: dim my eyes if they contribute to me wanting and needing more. this song is mainly about letting go of our own personal wealth. so if your eyes are making you want and need more, then dim your eyes.

benjamin
01-02-2007, 09:14 PM
"Want and need divide me then I might as well be gone!"

As in; if I Want something that divides me from what I/we Need, then I might as well be out of the picture completely. Plus, I really don't hear any S's, or any effort of the words being pluralized.

Peace.

Intolerable
01-02-2007, 09:20 PM
"Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Wants and needs divide me
Then I might as well be gone"

meaning: dim my eyes if they contribute to me wanting and needing more. this song is mainly about letting go of our own personal wealth. so if your eyes are making you want and need more, then dim your eyes.


Hmm, after listening to it again with these lyrics in mind I believe you are correct. Makes a hell of a lot more sense then what I originally heard.

hellenkellerkarate
01-03-2007, 04:23 PM
i'm hearing "dividing'll wither her away" or "divide and you'll wither her away" or "divide and i'll wither her away." i'm pretty sure it's the last one.

benjamin
01-03-2007, 08:43 PM
As for that "her". I hear it like "Divided where the Hell are we."

BlanketEffect
01-03-2007, 10:45 PM
"Want and need divide me then I might as well be gone!"

As in; if I Want something that divides me from what I/we Need, then I might as well be out of the picture completely. Plus, I really don't hear any S's, or any effort of the words being pluralized.

Peace.

Perhaps.

one with nature
01-04-2007, 08:11 AM
divide hell withering away?

BlanketEffect
01-04-2007, 08:30 AM
Okay, we're discussing the phonetics, and that's good, this is the lyrics page, after all.

However, is there anyone who actually thinks it's NOT "Divided I'm withering away"?

Pårȃđīǥm
01-04-2007, 11:05 PM
going off the theory that this song is about Devo, i've always told myself that the line is:

"Once your need divides me then I might as well begone"

saying that if he should even consider anything before his son, he might as well not be there at all

benjamin
01-04-2007, 11:14 PM
If it were a simple "withering" that he sung , why the funky H-sound... "...witherhing away." ok, that's plausable, but the second one... "...witherHEng away." it's REALY funky the second time.
This is one of those where, my heart WANTS to agree w/ you, but my brain(n ear) is telling me something is off.

mokarran
01-04-2007, 11:15 PM
Okay, we're discussing the phonetics, and that's good, this is the lyrics page, after all.

However, is there anyone who actually thinks it's NOT "Divided I'm withering away"?

I think what's being said is either 'divided, I'm withering away' or 'divided, withering away.' I'm really not hearing anything else.

benjamin
01-04-2007, 11:28 PM
saying that if he should even consider anything before his son, he might as well not be there at all

Didn't you say "going OFF the Devo theory."?

Personally, I still say it's a love song.

Personally, I still say it's a NOT "once/wants" or "needS" ...I hear a distict "Want and need divide me then I might as well be gone!"

Q: How might one "compromise a/our fulcrum" ?
Q: What is creating said fulcrum? The wants and needs right? A fulcrum to me, in this metaphoric sense, would mean not just a pivot or a manipulatable utencile, but a fixed point in a center position as for balancing opposites (or equals) or some such... my point being that, if I should fuck up our balancing act between wanting and needing, well you know the rest.

Pårȃđīǥm
01-06-2007, 09:11 AM
Didn't you say "going OFF the Devo theory."?

typo

BlanketEffect
01-06-2007, 10:54 AM
going off the theory that this song is about Devo, i've always told myself that the line is:

"Once your need divides me then I might as well begone"

saying that if he should even consider anything before his son, he might as well not be there at all

I'll have to see if I can hear this. If so, I like it. But I think it may also be "Once your needs divide me" - only slightly different.

hellenkellerkarate
01-07-2007, 02:57 AM
here's my best estimation:

here from the king's mountain view
here from the wild dream come true
feast like a sultan i do
of treasures and flesh never few

but i
i would
wish it
all away
if i
thought i'd
lose you
just one day

the devil and his had me down
in love with the dark side i'd fell*
dabblin all the way down
up to my neck soon to drown
but you changed that all for me
lifted me up turned me around

so i
i
i
i
i would
i would
i would
wish this all away

prayed like a martyr dusk till dawn
begged like a hooker all night long
tempted the devil with my song
and got what i wanted all along

but i
'n i would
if i could
'n i would
wish it away
wish it away
wanna wish it all away
wanna wish it all away
no pressure could hold sway
or justifiy my 'n givin away my sinner

so if i could i'd wish it all away
if i thought tomorrow they'd take you away
you're my piece of mind my home
i said i'm just tryin to hold on
one more day

'n damn my eyes
damn my/jambi eyes**
jambi eyes if they should
compromise our fulcrum
once it need divide me
then i might as well be gone

shine on forever
shine on benevolent sun
shine upon the broken
shine until the two become one

shine on forever
shine on benevolent sun
shine upon the severed
shine until the two become one

divided i'll wither her away
divided i'll wither her away
shine upon the many light our way
benevolent sun

breathe in union
breathe in union
breathe in union
breathe in union
breathe in union
sow as one
survive
another day
and season
silent leech and
stay your poison
silent leech and
stay out of my way

*not grammatically correct, but i kept hearing it, then i realized it sounds like "died." the sentence makes even less sense if you try to work that in (in love with the dark sigh died fell?), so i think it's a play on words.
**i'm not sure but there may be two vocal tracks superimposed on the cd at this part, one in which he sings "damn my" and one in which he sings "jambi." during live shows, he sings "damn my" at this point, i believe.

Pårȃđīǥm
01-07-2007, 09:56 AM
I'll have to see if I can hear this. If so, I like it. But I think it may also be "Once your needs divide me" - only slightly different.

i actually like that better :P

as for hellen keller, "Once it need divide me" doesn't make sense grammatically or any other way. other than that you just reiterated the general consensus on what the rest of the lyrics are

hellenkellerkarate
01-07-2007, 10:22 AM
as for hellen keller, "Once it need divide me" doesn't make sense grammatically or any other way.

maybe compromised fulcrums divide you

fulcrum: [n] the pivot about which a lever turns

so it's circular, something circular that's compromised might be described as divided, right?

Pårȃđīǥm
01-08-2007, 04:34 PM
it's quite a stretch, just to make the lyrics you came up with work...

Ryan Brock Campbell
01-08-2007, 11:17 PM
Here from the king's mountain view. Here from the wild dream come true. Feast like a sultan I do; treasures and flesh never few. But I would wish it all away. If I thought I'd lose you--just one day. The devil it has had me down; in love with the darkside I found--the devil went all the way down--up to my neck so to drown. But you changed that all for me; lifted me up turned me around... so I... I... I... I... I would wish it all... away... (and so on)... Prayed like a martyr... dusk til dawn... begged like a hooker all night long--tempted the devil with my song--and got what I wanted all along... But I would if I could wish it all away... (repeat) No prize that could hold, sway or justify my... (limit, living, somehthing... duh... my center) ... You my piece of mind my home my center I'm just trying to hold on one more day. Tear my eyes! Tear my eyes! Tear my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum--watching me divide me then I might as well be gone!
Shine down forever shine down bonevelant son. Shine down upon the broken shine until the two become one. Shine on forever shine on bonevelant son! Shine down the polar center--shine until the two become one! Divide and I'll wither away! Divide and I'll wither away! Shine down upon the many light our way--bonevelant son. Breathe in union--so as one survive another day in season; silently gestate your poison. Silently gestate and run my way...

benjamin
01-09-2007, 10:53 AM
Will you please listen closely to "...dusk __ dawn" I swear, I only hear "dusk TO dawn" It's the exact same sentiment, imo, but spoken "to" instead of "til.

orcaloverbri9
01-09-2007, 09:13 PM
**i'm not sure but there may be two vocal tracks superimposed on the cd at this part, one in which he sings "damn my" and one in which he sings "jambi." during live shows, he sings "damn my" at this point, i believe.
He doesn't say "jambi eyes" ever. Jambi is pronounced jahm-bee, not jam-bye, and the phrase has no meaning anyway. See the topic at the bottom of this forum. Also, I would contest the "damn my eyes" - I am quite sure he says "dim my eyes". See aforementioned topic for reasoning. Also, try watching a live show. The vocals are a lot clearer, and I have no doubt he's saying "dim my eyes".

BlanketEffect
01-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Tear my eyes! Tear my eyes! Tear my eyes...; silently gestate your poison. Silently gestate and run my way...

*blinks*

EDIT: Okay, I had to read it again. Now I'm smiling.

eslupminoyler
01-18-2007, 08:16 AM
"Shunted* the Devil with my song"
Shunted means to bypass.

ThreeDeviations
01-19-2007, 08:22 PM
No price it could hold sway or justify my [kneel]? and awake

at least someone finally got 1 piece right... AWAKE.


it is absolutely incredible that nobody has come on here and said it's...

wish it away...

WINCH it away... (clear as day)

wish it all away

wanna wish it all away...


... actually, it's really not that incredible

Pårȃđīǥm
01-23-2007, 10:31 AM
it doesn't make any sense for him to say 'wish' the whole song and then randomly throw 'winch' in there for just one of 4 lines that also say 'wish'.

as a sidenote, ryan brock cambell needs his ears checked or a better sound system

MarcDrums
02-06-2007, 11:43 AM
silent leech and
stay your poison
silent leech and
stay out of my way

what the fuck??

how about

Silently just
Take your poison
Silently just
Stay out of my way

edit: actually i can hear the slienCE

Silence, Legion! Save your poison!
Silence, Legion! Stay out of my way!

that sounds right.

BlanketEffect
02-06-2007, 05:09 PM
edit: actually i can hear the slienCE

Silence, Legion! Save your poison!
Silence, Legion! Stay out of my way!

that sounds right.

*winks* That's because it is right.

benjamin
02-06-2007, 10:38 PM
*winks* That's because it is right.

I take issue w/ the thought that the 2 lines start the same, he says them diferently. Silently just stay your poise and silent legion stay out of my way!...the 1st time: (silently) sounds like one word, the 2nd though, sounds like 2... also, llisten to "poison" it's said kinda quick and, funny as this seems, sounds to me more like poise and, than poison...


"What's he saying?"
"what's he saying?"

...inFUCKINGdeed...

Maynards an ass-whole.

bassmaster
02-07-2007, 09:49 AM
*Silence, leech, and
Save your poison
Silence, leech, and
Stay out of my way



*As in "Silence, (you) leech"

BlanketEffect
02-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Yeah, the 'leech' idea is probably the oldest one. It's possible, but only the phonetics then are in dispute and I think 'Legion' makes more sense literally than 'leech' in regards to the rest of the song.

bassmaster
02-08-2007, 05:48 AM
That's true.
For the poison part though it makes sense, at least to me.
'Leech' being a metaphor for a person and 'poison' being likewise for their words.

Yogi DMT
02-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Yeah, the 'leech' idea is probably the oldest one. It's possible, but only the phonetics then are in dispute and I think 'Legion' makes more sense literally than 'leech' in regards to the rest of the song.


I agree that 'Legion' makes more sence. And I hear it more than I hear 'leech and'

Magus Perde
02-13-2007, 11:18 AM
I guess we'll know for sure when the official lyrics come out, but I think the last two lines are different than what this site suggests.

I hear:

Silently just say your prayers and
Silently just stay out of my way.

bdberncraft
02-13-2007, 12:10 PM
Instead of "damn my eyes," I get the notion it's "dam my eyes." It makes more sense to me, especially considering the speculated subject of the song.

Inner_Eulogy
02-14-2007, 10:35 AM
I guess we'll know for sure when the official lyrics come out, but I think the last two lines are different than what this site suggests.

I hear:

Silently just say your prayers and
Silently just stay out of my way.

Ummm....NO

Cheesegreater
02-14-2007, 02:19 PM
"Silent legions"

benjamin
02-14-2007, 08:40 PM
I take issue w/ the thought that the 2 lines start the same, he says them diferently. .

Again.

ashdelecour
02-18-2007, 05:27 AM
Here are the lyrics as I hear them. Words in parantheses are the ones still undetermined.

(If in the) Kings mountain view
(If in) the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a (father) dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No price could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away, my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind
(My own)
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes (x2)

Damn my eyes
If they should compromise a fulcrum
(Want and need) divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine (on 'til) the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine (on 'til) the two become one

(Divided withering away) (x2)

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union (x5)

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
(Silent legion, just) save your poison
(Silent legion, just) stay out of my way

redjenova
03-01-2007, 02:33 PM
Und mine:

Here from the Kings mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' on the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No price could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away, my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind
(My own)
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes (x2)

Damn my eyes
If they should compromise a fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divided an' withering away x2

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union x5

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence legion, save your poison
Silence legion, stay out of my way

panocha21
03-01-2007, 11:19 PM
Here's my shot:

Here from the Kings mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The deviling hiss had me down
In love with the dark side I found
Devlin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my psalm
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No present could hold, sway,
Or justify my giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind
(My own)
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Dim my eyes (x2)

Dim my eyes
If they should compromise our folklore
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breed in union
Breed in union
Breed in union
Breed in union
Breed in union

Sow as one
Survive another day and season
Silence leech and say your poison
Silence leech and stay out of my way

nighthawk
03-02-2007, 04:48 PM
"Silence leech and save your poison".

O.G.T.92
03-08-2007, 04:31 PM
Wow this post is a monster! I just wanted to say I think the part listed as "shine down upon the many, light our way" should be "shine down upon the many (blighted/lightened/lighter) wings" definitely "wings" I haven't seen anyone post this word yet.

ZzsdkzZ
03-09-2007, 01:41 AM
--
Legion, as defined in Luke 8:30
" And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. "

The poison isn't from just one particular source. It's the many things that come with the rock and roll lifestyle, or more inparticular, the Wanton needs.

Wanton - "Conduct which by its grossly negligent, malicious, or reckless nature evinces a disregard for the consequences or for the rights or safety of others."

spend wastefully; "wanton one's money away"

This being said....



Here from the Kings mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' on the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No price here could hold sway
Or justify my
(Giving away, my, center///Kneeling away, my, sinner)

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind
My own
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes

Damn my eyes
If they should compromise a/our fulcrum
(if) Wanton needs divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divided an' withering away
Divided an' withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union x 5

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence Legion, save your poison
Silence Legion, stay out of my way

elusivEuphoria
03-09-2007, 11:14 AM
I havent been keeping up with all the latest thoughts with this song. I know to a certain extent there is some discrepency concerning the last couple lines.

This is what im hearing these days, not sure if anyone thrown this out there...

"Silent Legions, say your praise and
Silently just stay, out of my way!"

..."save your poison".... unless there is an R in poison (proison?), i cant hear that at all.

Listen to it a few times through tell me if you agree or not.

lateralus15
03-10-2007, 12:03 PM
I havent been keeping up with all the latest thoughts with this song. I know to a certain extent there is some discrepency concerning the last couple lines.

This is what im hearing these days, not sure if anyone thrown this out there...

"Silent Legions, say your praise and
Silently just stay, out of my way!"

..."save your poison".... unless there is an R in poison (proison?), i cant hear that at all.

Listen to it a few times through tell me if you agree or not.


I've seen it performed live and Maynard definitely says "poison"...Maybe he made it purposely ambiguous for the album

something_Dark
03-10-2007, 04:43 PM
I think it's "dim my eyes"...


mee too!

Cheesegreater
03-11-2007, 12:57 PM
Dim my eyes is much more underwhelming than "Damn my eyes." I don't say this just because I hear it, but it makes more sense for him to want his eyes to be damned if they would ever compromise his center.

Also, this was posted earlier, but I do hear "Kneelin' away" always have, but I don't know how well that would fit contextually speaking. Besides the words before "kneelin'/givin' away" seem to be some of the most disputed lyrics.

jevons
03-13-2007, 06:58 AM
But both would make sense with the subject matter. Dim my eyes looks and sound re-goddam-diculous.

i win.

benjamin
03-16-2007, 07:28 PM
You mean de-goddamn-licious.
Dim my eyes, ei; black them out, shutter at the sight, or, make me blind all together.

To say damn my eyes is just an arbitrary gripe. To say dim them. That's a plea, a demand, if they should comprimise our fulcrum, make them not to work. I'd rather not be tempted.

Not, "oh, damn my eyes. They've comprimised our shit again." Rather; "Dim my eyes!" They're gonna tempt me again and again.

Peace.

EDIT: Holy shit! 20.sump sump posts per day! WTF Jevons. Did you win the "I got nothin better to do" contest or the "I type faster than your grannys prun-juice-shits" contest?!! lol.

elusivEuphoria
03-19-2007, 08:56 AM
I've seen it performed live and Maynard definitely says "poison"...Maybe he made it purposely ambiguous for the album

Well i suppose thats possible. There are lots of songs that Maynard has done, either with Tool or APC that you can tell he is intentionally making it hard to understand what he saying... it makes you listen harder.

But also i would say that Maynard has never been one to stick to what's on the album, he often changes his lyrics base on how the song evolves over time. So i believe you that he says 'poison' live... but im afraid im going to have to be stubborn with this one; I still think its 'save your praise' on the album.

Dont worry, im sure official lyriccs will get released in a couple months that will say its 'poison' and i'll look like a douche. :-)

EDIT: I keep forgetting to say this.... despite what i HEAR, i do think that "save your poison" makes a bit more sense in the context of the song.

benjamin
03-19-2007, 04:20 PM
Well i suppose thats possible. There are lots of songs that Maynard has done, either with Tool or APC that you can tell he is intentionally making it hard to understand what he saying... it makes you listen harder.

But also i would say that Maynard has never been one to stick to what's on the album, he often changes his lyrics base on how the song evolves over time. So i believe you that he says 'poison' live... but im afraid im going to have to be stubborn with this one; I still think its 'save your praise' on the album.

Dont worry, im sure official lyriccs will get released in a couple months that will say its 'poison' and i'll look like a douche. :-)

EDIT: I keep forgetting to say this.... despite what i HEAR, i do think that "save your poison" makes a bit more sense in the context of the song.

Conflicted feelings are abundant when talking/debating about "what's he saying". I know your pain, I slightly hear an r-sound as well. For me though the words sound like "poise and" ...actually, it sounds like proise and! lol. but...

Peace.

CocaineEyes
03-19-2007, 07:15 PM
I didn't know where else to post this but...

In the lyrics section, the official lyrics are "submitted to tdn by maynard" and the ones that just say "submitted to tdn" are unoffical?

Sorry if that's a retarded question but hey...

redjenova
03-20-2007, 08:12 AM
You mean de-goddamn-licious.
Dim my eyes, ei; black them out, shutter at the sight, or, make me blind all together.

To say damn my eyes is just an arbitrary gripe. To say dim them. That's a plea, a demand, if they should comprimise our fulcrum, make them not to work. I'd rather not be tempted.

Not, "oh, damn my eyes. They've comprimised our shit again." Rather; "Dim my eyes!" They're gonna tempt me again and again.


I would agree if the phrase "damn my eyes" was not a curse used commonly in history. "Damn his eyes!" I don't know the origin of the phrase but it wouldn't be something Maynard just pulled out of his ass and jotted onto a piece of paper, whereas "dim my eyes" would be a phrase entirely without history that meant roughly the same thing.

redjenova
03-20-2007, 08:15 AM
--

Wanton - "Conduct which by its grossly negligent, malicious, or reckless nature evinces a disregard for the consequences or for the rights or safety of others."

(if) Wanton needs divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Wanton does make sense here as far as meaning goes, but I think it's "wants and needs divide me" because a division would make more sense if it's between two stated 'options'. He'd be saying, if I can't choose between my wants and my needs I might as well be gone.

benjamin
03-20-2007, 08:45 AM
I would agree if the phrase "damn my eyes" was not a curse used commonly in history. "Damn his eyes!" I don't know the origin of the phrase but it wouldn't be something Maynard just pulled out of his ass and jotted onto a piece of paper, whereas "dim my eyes" would be a phrase entirely without history that meant roughly the same thing.


True but, the phrase, as it goes, would be an after thought, or a reaction of sorts, no? like; "damn my eyes for tempting me..." or such. I just think it sounds "in context" to say it as dim, as a sort of beforehand thought...

I agree that Maynard does "stick-the-script" so to speek as far as making up sayings and phrases, but, origins of phrases aside, I hear dim, and maybe/sometimes damn, but NEVER jam...

Peace.

P.S. I hear it as "want and need divide me..." ie; not pluralized...

elusivEuphoria
03-20-2007, 10:14 AM
Ya know, 'dim' and 'damn' sound so much a like. When i think it's 'damn', i hear damn; when i think its dim, i hear dim.

Ben i agree with you, 'Dim my eyes' makes sense if your saying, 'I would rather be blind than be tempted by sight'. 'Damn my eyes' is like saying 'Aw shit, i just saw a hot naked woman and i popped a boner. I better gouge out my eyes so God doesnt punish me' ... :-) heh.

When i think about it, 'Dim' just fits better.

Um, yeah.

benjamin
03-20-2007, 09:11 PM
My wifey thinks it's not sung "with enough ass behind it" for it to be damn...
*shrug*

Maynard=mellifluous.

There is no spoon
03-21-2007, 08:38 AM
this thread is out of control - we definitely need the real lyrics to sprout up soon...

elusivEuphoria
03-21-2007, 08:41 AM
Oh sure, I decide to be a bit more vocal on this board and suddenly this thread is *OUT OF CONTROL!* :-P lol.

weathermantom
03-21-2007, 01:18 PM
I didn't bother to read through this entire thread, but on the first page, the general consensus seems to be that
"Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along."
...is the right lyrics for that section. However, it seems like now people think that 'prayed' and 'begged' are in the present tense, and tempted has turned to 'shout.' Is there a reason for this? Personally, I think the first version is right (the one I just typed out).

elusivEuphoria
03-22-2007, 09:27 AM
I didn't bother to read through this entire thread, but on the first page, the general consensus seems to be that
"Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along."
...is the right lyrics for that section. However, it seems like now people think that 'prayed' and 'begged' are in the present tense, and tempted has turned to 'shout.' Is there a reason for this? Personally, I think the first version is right (the one I just typed out).

So you're saying that in the ALBUM its,

"Pray like a martyr dusk to['til] dawn, (personally I think hes saying 'til, but w/e)
Beg like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the devil with my song,
And got what i wanted all along."

But in Live performances, Tempted has been changed to...

"Shout the devil with my song," [???]

redjenova
03-22-2007, 12:38 PM
True but, the phrase, as it goes, would be an after thought, or a reaction of sorts, no? like; "damn my eyes for tempting me..." or such. I just think it sounds "in context" to say it as dim, as a sort of beforehand thought...

I agree that Maynard does "stick-the-script" so to speek as far as making up sayings and phrases, but, origins of phrases aside, I hear dim, and maybe/sometimes damn, but NEVER jam...

Peace.

P.S. I hear it as "want and need divide me..." ie; not pluralized...

Oops. I hear it singular "want and need" too, I don't know why I made it plural. -shrug-

I guess it does sound like it would be reactionary, but before that part of the song it sounds like he's describing kind of past occurrences "devil and his had me down". "Damn my eyes IF they should compromise" sounds like he's saying if I allow myself to be tempted then damn me because "I might as well be gone".

weathermantom
03-22-2007, 07:33 PM
So you're saying that in the ALBUM its,

"Pray like a martyr dusk to['til] dawn, (personally I think hes saying 'til, but w/e)
Beg like a hooker all night long,
Tempted the devil with my song,
And got what i wanted all along."

But in Live performances, Tempted has been changed to...

"Shout the devil with my song," [???]

Que?
Oh, sorry, that might have been unclear. Long story short, I think the correct lyrics are "Prayed like a martyr dusk to/til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song..."
I didn't say anything about live performances; I was just pointing out that my version of the lyrics is what people seemed to think he was saying when the CD first came out. Now, however, people generally seem to agree with the lyrics that are currently posted on TDN (pray/beg/shout), and I was wondering why that changed.

elusivEuphoria
03-22-2007, 08:16 PM
Okay, Okay.... Here goes, enjoy.

Things in brackets [My name is Maynard, Buy My Wine Bitches!] are various possiblities.
Things in parentheses (I'm a Consumer Whore! =D) are just comments.

------------------------------------

Here from the King's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh, never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his has me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' on the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown. (Seems to be all Present Tense)

But you changed that all for me
You Lifted me up, turned me around

So I, (I, I, 3Y3!) I would wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk 'til dawn (Now, it seems to be Past Tense)
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away (I think he would totally wish this shit away if he could)
No [pressure /// present] could hold sway
Or justify my kneelin' (or [middle /// Midler (as in Bette) /// MILLER?!] LOLZ! =D)
Or weight my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away

You're my piece of mind
My own, My center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Dim My Eyes!
Dim My Eyes!

Dim my eyes,
If they should compromise [a /// our] fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

*Spine tingling slide down the frets of Justin's bass*

then,

*Get Your FREAK On with an Ubar TalkBox Solo!* FUCK.... YES! I think i just made a mess in my pants!

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided [and /// I'm] withering away
Divided [and /// I'm] withering away

Shine down upon the many,
Light our way, Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union x 5

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silent Legions, say your praise and
Silently just stay, out of My Way!!!

--------------------------------------

Well that accomplished nothing... Fantastic.

ThreeDeviations
03-23-2007, 07:27 AM
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away


Breathe in union x 5


First off, it's Breathe in union 4 times, the last time is CLEARLY... PRAY in union.

LISTEN.

secondly,

it's...

wish it away..

WINCH it away...

wish it away

wanna wish it all away... -------


WINCH. Granted, when he posts the lyrics... he likely won't type the word WINCH... but that's moot. He's submitted a lot of lyrics as "official" when in reality, it's not what he says on the cd.

"He doesn't say "winch" dude!" That makes no sense dude! You're (your) retarded!"

Okay dude.

benjamin
03-23-2007, 12:00 PM
Well that accomplished nothing... Fantastic.
lol. no s. I felt the same way...

The devil and his've had me doubt
In love with the dark side I'd foul
n'Dabblin all the way down
Up to my neck so to drown
(I guess my interpretation comes more from pure sound than from explanation...)

Brave like a martyr dusk too dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my soul
And get what I wanted all alone
(too is spelled that way cuz I think that expresses "going too somewhere" ???)

No
Prize you could hold
Sway
Or justi fy my
Guilt and
Awake my center
(fuckme ...I don't know but THAT is exacly how it sounds to me. As I've typed before, "it make perfect-poetic sense...") Basically to say; At best, this option will neither justify my guilt or awake my center.

You, my peice of mind, my home,
I said I'm just trying to hold on one more day

Shine down forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the sever
Shine until the two become one

Divided where the hell are we
Divided where the HELL are we

Shine down upon the many
Light our ways benevolent sun

Pray in union so as one survive

Silently just stay your poise and
Silent legion stay out of my way!

Peace.

War=Slavery

...shine on forever Shilah; benevolent son.

benjamin
03-23-2007, 12:09 PM
Ill only say it once more. If, if, IF he sings "winch" at all, then it's both of the first two times, not just the middle. The two "W-words" are identicle...

..if

EDIT: lol, identicle. Yeah that's like testical and, magicle ...wth, I'll just leave all this.

ThreeDeviations
03-23-2007, 01:44 PM
Ill only say it once more. If, if, IF he sings "winch" at all, then it's both of the first two times, not just the middle. The two "W-words" are identicle...

They're not identical... but yeah, they're similar... - but the 2nd is even more distinct than the 1st..

so I am not so sure on the first "wish"... it's almost like a blend of wish and winch on that one...

but the 2nd time it's clearly WINCH....

but yeah, I can see why you'd say it could be "the first two times.."

you can hear the "n". listen to the end of the word, not the beginning... the difference in the "ch" (winCH) sound and the "sh" (wiSH) sound.... it's very clear.

for example, the word "chime"... that "ch" is the same sound that ends the WINCH...

when he says "wish" the 3rd and 4th time... it's clearly the "sh" sound... as if he were saying.... "wiSH".


and some of your other word speculation...

I said it was AWAKE my center way back when...

got what I wanted all ALONE...

devil and his had me DOUBT....

shine DOWN...

all those I've said-

others...

PSALM (not "song")

no PROPHET ...

and your "going TOO somewhere" thing... it's "to"..

the question "Going to somewhere?" isn't "too".

it would only be "too" if someone asked, "are you going too?"


as for your justify my "guilt" ... I'm gonna have a listen to that-

I think that line is something like...

No PROPHET could HONE, sway or justify my giving. AWAKE my center.

basically saying... no person of god could influence his ways at the time... no prophet of his mother's faith...

and I know some think you hear a "c" or a "z"... but I really think it's just the "ph"-

anyhow... the song is unreal.

and as I said before... the song changes musically EXACTLY half way through.... to symbolize the change in HIS life.... and a change in who is "speaking" in the song as well...

benjamin
03-23-2007, 03:46 PM
and your "going TOO somewhere" thing... it's "to"..

the question "Going to somewhere?" isn't "too".

it would only be "too" if someone asked, "are you going too?"


..

thanx.

"pressure..." ...I just don't hear that. Man! I would love to hear something that actually makes sense grammer-wise, but all I hear is "No prize you could hold sway or justify my..."

"...justify my guilt..." --yeah, I dunno it sorta sounds like "gil and" ...but I know he's not talking about ficticious money...

My heart just isn't into the whole "winch" interp. I can say however, that it's definitely one of those that nobody, not even Maynard himself can say "it doesn't sound like that..."

Oh well, I share in your sentiment about the song most of all. There just aren't the words to express its incredibleosityestness. Ya know.

O.G.T.92
03-23-2007, 05:23 PM
Here are what I could best make out of the lyrics. The only word I kept on the fence was sun/son because you could logically interpret it as both ways (figurative or literal). But I forced decisions everywhere else. There are a few words I haven't heard anyone say before, so maybe I lucked out (No one saw "cozened" or "siblings" coming). Or maybe i'm embarrasingly wrong. Oh well, here it is.

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I would I would I would wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I,
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold, sway,
Or justify my giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes

Dim my eyes

Dim my eyes
If they should compromise a fulcrum watching me
If I leave it I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided, I'm withering away
Divided, I'm withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our wings,
Benevolent son/sun

Breathe in union (x5)

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silently, just save your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way

ThreeDeviations
03-23-2007, 09:46 PM
thanx.

"pressure..." ...I just don't hear that. Man! I would love to hear something that actually makes sense grammer-wise, but all I hear is "No prize you could hold sway or justify my..."

"...justify my guilt..." --yeah, I dunno it sorta sounds like "gil and" ...but I know he's not talking about ficticious money...

My heart just isn't into the whole "winch" interp. I can say however, that it's definitely one of those that nobody, not even Maynard himself can say "it doesn't sound like that..."

Oh well, I share in your sentiment about the song most of all. There just aren't the words to express its incredibleosityestness. Ya know.


yeah... I never said "pressure"... (prophet)

not saying "winch" makes perfect sense... other than a winch to lower a casket... (his mother's casket.. even though someone said she was cremated) so just because we cant make perfect sense of the "winch" ... it's pretty irrelevant. He chose it for a reason.. and it makes sense to him.

and i hear ya... it's undeniable that it clearly sounds like winch... but trust me, if ya scroll back on the thread... I've had plenty tell me I'm baked.. and "it doesnt even sound like that" sort of reply... and 99% will still say that.

benjamin
03-24-2007, 12:35 PM
yeah... I never said "pressure"... (prophet)

not saying "winch" makes perfect sense... other than a winch to lower a casket... (his mother's casket.. even though someone said she was cremated) so just because we cant make perfect sense of the "winch" ... it's pretty irrelevant. He chose it for a reason.. and it makes sense to him.

and i hear ya... it's undeniable that it clearly sounds like winch... but trust me, if ya scroll back on the thread... I've had plenty tell me I'm baked.. and "it doesnt even sound like that" sort of reply... and 99% will still say that.

Woe...
What was I reading?
I guess it was preminition of O G Ts post!!

I know, they've no right to be soo definitive, but they always are.

Peace.

elusivEuphoria
03-26-2007, 11:00 AM
But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away (I think he would totally wish this shit away if he could)
No [pressure /// present] could hold sway
Or justify my kneelin' (or [middle /// Midler (as in Bette) /// MILLER?!] LOLZ! =D)
Or weight my center


Well I know i threw pressure out there... ^^^ i may not have been the first, but i was certainly the last before OGT's post.

Three Deviations, you have some interesting options... but umm if i may, i dont know if its just me but its really hard for me to understand what you are writeing lol. Dare i ask for a some clarification? Perhaps PM me your version of what you hear. I would be interested to go through it.

bdberncraft
04-18-2007, 10:46 PM
At the end of the mess of words (no prize you could hold, sway, etc.) sounds like "kneel and await my sentence" a little bit. Now if I could just make sense of the rest of that section up to that point... I also hear "awake my center," though. AAAAAH! Frustrating.

Thescarecrow
04-21-2007, 01:38 PM
I slowed this part down with some recording software and this is what I hear
Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes
If they should compromise a fulcrum
Want and need divide me
then I might as well be gone

Thescarecrow
04-21-2007, 01:41 PM
Could be "compromise our fulcrum"

orcaloverbri9
04-25-2007, 02:05 AM
What is it with Jambi and people claiming that all but one of a set of virtually identically performed words are the same and the third is something completely unrelated (or vice versa)? Does nobody make allowances for slurred speech anymore?

ThreeDeviations
04-29-2007, 04:45 PM
What is it with Jambi and people claiming that all but one of a set of virtually identically performed words are the same and the third is something completely unrelated (or vice versa)? Does nobody make allowances for slurred speech anymore?


Dude in booth: "That take sounded great guys. Maynard, you had a bit of a lisp and mispronounced a couple of words.. but fuck it, I say thumbs up cuz I'm tired and want to go home."

Maynard: "I agree. Good enough. I never gave a shit about detail anyhow. Plus, I need to get the hell out of here because I have another hoodie to list and sell to all the clones on Puscifer dot com."

DjiNN13
05-05-2007, 11:26 PM
My opinion

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I,
I...
I...
I...
I would...
I would...
I would, wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
and I would
If I could
then I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No possum could hold sway
Or Justify my meal
And await my sinner

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
My own
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Dim my eyes!

Jambi eyes!

Dim my eyes!
If they should compromise our fulcrum:
Wants and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divide and I'm withering away


Shine on upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence, legions save your poison
Silence legions, just stay out of my way

I could have sworn i distinctly heard Maynard say "possum", when i saw tool live. Which totally made me revamp my opinion; but it's just that

brimstone halo
05-08-2007, 10:34 AM
this is probably just me but towards the end where he says "divide and wither away" it kinda sounds like he is saying "divide heaven we're on our way". Anyone else hear that?

jairen1
05-09-2007, 11:28 AM
Sow as one, survive another day, in season
Silence Legion, save your poison
Silence Legion, stay out of my way.


I have to agree with "Silence legion", it just makes more sense lyrically than "Silent legions / Silently, just". What exactly is a legion that is silent? If it is "silently, just" than who is he telling to be silent? It seems that at the end he is yelling at the demons tormenting him telling them to shut up and to torment him no longer. Much in a "Get behind me Satan" manner. If someone who thinks it is anything else can explain how it work's in a sentence, I would appreciate it because I am having a difficult time understanding it any other way. Thanks.

Ænigma
05-14-2007, 06:37 AM
Here from the king's mountain view
here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his hand me downs
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my will
and awake my center.

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
my all, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes!

Damn my eyes!
If they should compromise a fulcrum:
[Want and need] divide me
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

[Divide and wither away
/ Divided, withering away
/ Divide, I wither away]

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
[Silent legions] save your poison
[Silent legions] stay out of my way

benjamin
05-16-2007, 10:26 AM
Here from a kings mountain view
Half in a wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I ...I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me doubt
In love with the dark side I'd foul
Dabble in all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up turned me around

So
I x4
I would X3
Wish this all away

Brave like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my soul
And get what I wanted all alone

But I ...I would if I could I would
Wish it away x2
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away

No price you could hold sway
Or justify my guild and
Awake my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away

You my peice of mind my home I said
I'm just trying to hold on one more day

Dim my eyes
Damn my eyes

Dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me then I might as well be gone

Shine down forever
Shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son
Shine light upon the sever
Shine until the two become one

Divided where the hell are we
Divided I'm withering away
Shine down upon the many light our ways
Benevolent son

Breathe in union x4

Pray in union so as one survive
Another day and season
Silent legion say your poison
Silent leech and stay out of my way

interp by BTV

jevons
05-16-2007, 10:28 AM
This is ground control to major Tom.

10 000 Days = 1 + 1
05-21-2007, 11:02 PM
There are moments of confusion in this song for me but here are what I think the lyrics are:

02 jambi •

Hear from the king's mountain view
Hear from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures in flesh never few

But I, I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil is his Hand-Me-Down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabble in all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me around

So I, I, I, I ...

I would (x 3)

Wish this all away

Pray like our father dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Sheltered the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And yeah I would

Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold sway
Or justify my
Kneelin’ away my sin and so
If I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, would take you away
You might be someone,
my home, I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes!
Damn my eyes!

Damn my eyes if they should compromise the fulcrum:
Watching me, divide me
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine down forever
Shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one
Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one
Divided, I’ll wither him away
Divided, I’ll wither you away

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent son.

Breathe in union (x 5)

Sow, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence legion! Save your prisons!
Silence legion! Stay out of my way!


(This is as close as I can get in this late hour of confusion, on the cusp of death and birth :) )

356
05-23-2007, 12:31 PM
Silence nature.
Save your poison.
Silence nature.
Stay out of my way.

darkslayer96
05-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Hey guys, ITs like 10,000 days late but!

I was gonna say!

that I think it ISNT
Damn my eyes!

Damn my eyes!


But DIM MY EYES
DIM MY EYES

But like i Said 10,000days too late for this one! sOrrY!

SDDJS
05-30-2007, 12:55 PM
please continue to discuss lyrics in this thread, so any good suggestions can be posted to tdn/Lyrics.


Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone


Silently just say your prays
And silence me, just stay out of my way

Eulogy33
06-07-2007, 09:12 PM
hmm...lots of people have the lyrics wrong. and some have them right.

chonus
06-11-2007, 08:39 PM
ok.....

was listening to Jambi today and I could have sworn that during the "shine on" part he says "Shine on 'til MY two become one" instead of "shine on 'til the two become one."

never really heard it that way before today. sorry if it's been posted already.

pork chops
06-20-2007, 11:49 AM
silently just save your praise.

Sajadiah
06-20-2007, 03:07 PM
I'm glad that people got off the dim my eyes thing. That was just silly.

GSUPanther2001
06-22-2007, 01:46 PM
Hello,

I've been listening to this song over and over again and figured I'd add in my thoughts as to some of the lyrics as I hear them. Hopefully the person I've quoted doesn't mind that I've done so.


Here from the king's mountain view (I hear "Hid" as the first word, actually)
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I fell
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I would I would I would wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I,
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No pressure could hold, sway,
Or justify my giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
my home
I said I'm just trying to hold on (I hear "...my center" before "I'm just trying....)
One more day

Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes

Dim my eyes
If they should compromise a fulcrum watching me
If I leave it I might as well be gone...

(never heard "watching me" before, but reading it as I hear the verse, it sounds reasonable. I seem to hear different things every time i hear this, depending on how closely I listen. )


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son/sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided, I'm withering away
Divided, I'm withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our wings, (I hear "light our way" here)
Benevolent son/sun

Breathe in union (x5)
(actually after about 2 or 3 repeats of this, I hear "pray in union" for some reason)

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silent legions save your poison
Silent legions stay out of my way


Any Comments? Do my suggestions seem reasonable, or am I way off base here, myself?

felix45
06-23-2007, 08:14 PM
I'm just putting in what parts need to be changed to.




Here from the king's mountain view
Here from a wild dream come true

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn

You're my piece of mind
My home my center
just trying to hold on
one more day

dim my eyes
dim my eyes
dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum

Shine on til the 2 become 1

Divide and I'm withering away

Silent legion save your poison
Silent legion stay out of my way

iswingonthespiral
07-06-2007, 05:50 AM
Damn my eyes,
Jambi eyes,
Damn my eyes if they should compromise
Our fulcrum want and need
If I need then I might as well be gone

benjamin
07-07-2007, 11:55 PM
...justify my guild and awake my center...
...upon the sever...
...divided where the hell are we, divided I'm whithering away...
...breed in union X4
...brave in union...
...silently just stay your poise and
...silent legion stay out of my way...

Peace.

Eulogy33
07-08-2007, 11:35 PM
i'm pretty sure it's 'silence LEECH' both times....not legions.

benjamin
07-09-2007, 09:12 PM
Yo, I hear leech too, but I alo hear them sung completely differently. First time, it's like all one motion, "
silentleechansay your poiseand
silent lyjuststay outofmyway..""

...thus leading me to beleive (wheather or not those are the words sung) that it's different words being used...

k sa ra

_La_te_ra_lus_
07-10-2007, 12:10 AM
HE IS'NT TALKING ABOUT PEE WEE. WTF!

LOOK!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambi

In Seattle May 2nd 2006 right before they started Jambi Maynard said "So how about Pee Wee's Playhouse?" or something like that.

ahhnevermind
07-10-2007, 09:34 AM
Listen to the song and read along:


Here from the King's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I, I would, wish it, all away
If I, thought I'd, lose you, just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I, I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk till daw
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted/Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I, I would, if I could, I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away

Wanna wish it all away
No, pressure could hold sway,
Or justify, my, kneelin away, my, center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my all, my saturn / center
Just try to hold on one more day

Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
Damn my eyes,
if they should compromise a fulcrum
(if) want and need divide me then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever, Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever, Shine on benevolent sun
Shine on upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I’m withering away
Divided I’m withering away
Shine on upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent Sun

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union so as one survive another day and season

Silent legions say your poison
Silently just stay out of my way

Ziusudra
07-12-2007, 06:27 PM
..."shafted the devil with my song
...and got what I wanted all along"

These two lines have always kept me from signing on to the Jesus interpretation. If this were an ironic song about christianity, these lines don't fit. Anyway, why revisit that religion when Opiate already so handily smacked that subject down?

This does, however, fit well with the Maynard's son interpretation.

The 'devil' is the music industry and he's 'shafted' it with songs that contain vulgarity or subject matter that make them unsuitable for airplay (or are just too long.) But he has had great success anyway. (And Tool too, though he's had success with APC as well.)


..."Wanna wish it all away?
...No
...pressure could hold sway,"

When I listen to the timing here I get the impression that he's using the "no" for both lines. He's saying he doesn't want to wish it all away but also doesn't want to lose his center. And "pessure could hold sway" is the part of the entire song I'm least sure of. I've even toyed with the word "swage" here, but that's a little too unusual even for Maynard.


..."You're my peace of mind, my om
...I said I'm just trying to hold on one more day"

Either "om" or "home" works, but I definitely hear "I said" rather than "my center". If you count the syllables, "my center" doesn't fit.


..."Dim my eyes, Jambi eyes,
...Damn my eyes..."

When I listen to it at half speed the second one is certainly "jambi eyes". The other two are definitely not "jambi eyes" but are too similar to be sure whether it's "dim" or "damn." But both would work equally well.

The use of "jambi eyes" is similar to the Eagle's use of "lyin' eyes". In this case, his eyes see things which tempt him, things he wishes for. Wishes ... genie ... Jambi. A rather clever use of alliteration and poetic license.


..."... if they should compromise our fulcrum
...want and need, if I need it
...I might as well be gone"

A fulcrum is a center of balance, in this case between want and need and if the need controls him that balance is lost.


..."Breathe in union
...Pray in union"

I hear the fifth "... in union" as "pray".


..."Silent legion, save your poison
...Silent legion, stay out of my way"

Why tell the legion to be silent and then to say it's poison. I hear "save" as in "save your breath."

ahhnevermind
07-12-2007, 10:17 PM
disclaimer: im going by the cardinal rule that if what I hear does not make any sense whatsoever, I'm probably not hearing it quite right...
I'd cite that rule for this one:
"if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need, if i need it, i might as well be gone"

"silent legion"
silent is not a command it's an adjective. silent legion, dormant demons, internal devils, what have you. "silent legion say your poison" = come out of your silence - it would be like saying "hidden devil come into the light so that I might slay thee"
you can see why he went with his version, tis a tad bit catchier


"I said I'm" = 3 syllables
"my center" / "my saturn" = 3 syllables
I fail to see the problem

I did hear "om" and "home" as well, but once I thought of "all", that's definitely what I hear now.

As far as the whole "i said I'm" thing... let reason guide your ear. The concern is that this important other is going away, is slipping away. Doesn't it just make sense that after praising this other "you're my peace of mind, my all..." he would then ask that other to hold on one more day rather than interrupt that list with a statement about himself? (I know this whole thing could be spoken internally, but seeing as how he began the 2nd person approach it would be bizarre to abandon it mid-section)

plus the use of "i said" in lyrics is almost always a halfass attempt at fitting the right number of syllables into a line. "Please don't go." shit we need two more syllables... "I said please don't go". The words are meaningless, superfluous, a waste of effort... not exactly mjk's M.O.

Ziusudra
07-13-2007, 07:58 AM
disclaimer: im going by the cardinal rule that if what I hear does not make any sense whatsoever, I'm probably not hearing it quite right...
I'd cite that rule for this one:
"if they should compromise our fulcrum, want and need, if i need it, i might as well be gone" I explained how it makes sense and in my opinion it makes more sense than "want and need divide me then I might as well be gone". Besides, no matter how hard I try I can't hear "then", I definitely hear "it".

"silent legion"
silent is not a command it's an adjective. silent legion, dormant demons, internal devils, what have you. "silent legion say your poison" = come out of your silence - it would be like saying "hidden devil come into the light so that I might slay thee"
you can see why he went with his version, tis a tad bit catchierYou're half right, upon further listening I now hear "silence legion". You could be completely correct, but what does he care what the legion has to say? To me that doesn't fit the "makes sense" rule.

"I said I'm" = 3 syllables
"my center" / "my saturn" = 3 syllables
I fail to see the problem

I did hear "om" and "home" as well, but once I thought of "all", that's definitely what I hear now.

As far as the whole "i said I'm" thing... let reason guide your ear. The concern is that this important other is going away, is slipping away. Doesn't it just make sense that after praising this other "you're my peace of mind, my all..." he would then ask that other to hold on one more day rather than interrupt that list with a statement about himself? (I know this whole thing could be spoken internally, but seeing as how he began the 2nd person approach it would be bizarre to abandon it mid-section)Actually he never changes voice, it's always first person, "I do", "I would", "lose you", etc. He does change to past tense for "The devil and his" through to "turned me round" and for "Prayed like a martyr" through "got what I wanted all along". But, at this point he's back to present tense and still in the first person.

And you're right "my center" and "I said I'm" match for syllabels but I definitely hear "I'm".

plus the use of "i said" in lyrics is almost always a halfass attempt at fitting the right number of syllables into a line. "Please don't go." shit we need two more syllables... "I said please don't go". The words are meaningless, superfluous, a waste of effort... not exactly mjk's M.O.But he did say it: "But I, I would, wish it, all away, If I, thought I'd, lose you, just one day"

As far as "my center" goes, the person he's singing to is NOT his center but the counter balance on the other side of the fulcrum.



What I really want to know is what people think about the line:

"shafted the devil with my song"

ahhnevermind
07-13-2007, 06:17 PM
I explained how it makes sense and in my opinion it makes more sense than "want and need divide me then I might as well be gone". Besides, no matter how hard I try I can't hear "then", I definitely hear "it".

Conditional: If A, then B.
If want and need divide me (A)
then I might as well be gone (B)

that is how i parse what i hear. how do you understand "want and need, if i need it, i might as well be gone"? What is the "it", and what is 'want and need' in relation to the rest of the sentence, seems to be a fragment.


Legion = the devils within.

You're half right, upon further listening I now hear "silence legion". You could be completely correct, but what does he care what the legion has to say? To me that doesn't fit the "makes sense" rule.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I'll try to explain my understanding again. "legion" is a biblical reference to internal demons. "silent legion" is the force within that tempts you away from what part of you needs - greed, lust, thirst for power, whatever. he is blaming this force for the division he experiences (between want and need, if you will). the mystery, the internality of this force is what renders it "silent". he wants this force to die, thus "say your poison". it's a double death as the silence that characterizes this legion would also be broken.

Actually he never changes voice, it's always first person[/QUOTE}

Yes, he doesn't change person. I should have said subject not person. YOU are my peace of mind, etc.


[QUOTE=Ziusudra;2055192]"shafted the devil with my song"
I don't hear shafted, I don't know what it would mean in context of that passage since that section is about performing desperate, soul-selling acts. "shout to" or "tempted" make sense in this context, as both mean an invocation of evil

Ziusudra
07-16-2007, 09:41 AM
Legion = the devils within.That right there is the root of most every disagreement you and I have.

In my interpretation, legion refers to the music industry, as do the lines "the devil and his had me down" and "shafted (or whatever) the devil with my song".


As for the "want and need, if I need it I might as well be gone" line, the "it" is the dark side, which he's still in love with, that his Jambi eyes see and tempts him. That dark side is on the one side of the fulcrum, the person he's singing to is on the other. Wanting the dark side is OK, but if he needs it then that puts too much weight on that side of the fulcrum and he loses what's on the other side.

I don't hear shafted, I don't know what it would mean in context of that passage since that section is about performing desperate, soul-selling acts. "shout to" or "tempted" make sense in this context, as both mean an invocation of evilBut it does make sense. He prayed and begged for success then shafted the devil yet still got what he wanted all along. Both ways work, but "shafted" has the important difference that he did not sell his soul. The way he sings this makes it sound as though, while he got what he wanted, the devil did not.

mokarran
07-17-2007, 04:42 PM
Here, from the King's mountain view...
Here, from the wild dream come true.
Feast like a sultan, I do...on treasures and flesh never few.

But I...I would wish it all away if I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The Devil and his had me down.
In love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabblin' all the way down... up to my neck, soon to drown.

...but you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me 'round.

So I...I...I...I...I would...I would...I would wish this all away.

Prayed like a martyr...dusk 'til dawn.
Begged like a hooker all night long.
Shout to the Devil with my song, and got what I wanted all along.

But I...and I would, if I could, and I would...
...wish it away.
Wish it away.
Wish it all away.

Wanna wish it all away.

No pressure could hold sway or justify my kneelin' away my center.

So, if I could, I'd wish it all away if I thought tomorrow they'd take you away.

You, my piece of mind, my All, my center...just tryin' to hold on one more day.

(*Or: You, my piece of mind, my All, my son/sun...I'm just tryin' to hold on one more day)

Damn my eyes.
Damn my eyes.
Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum.

...wants and need divide me?

Then...I might as well be gone.

Shine on forever....shine on, benevolent sun.
Shine down upon the broken...shine on 'till the two become one.

Shine on forever...shine on, benevolent sun.

Shine down upon the severed...shine on 'till the two become one.

Divided...withering away.
Divided...withering away.

Shine down upon the many...light our way...

...benevolent sun.

Breathe in union...breathe in union...breathe in union...breathe in union...breathe in union.

...so, as one survive another day and season.
Silent legions, save your poison.

Silent legions stay out of my way.

I pretty much rule out 'tempted the devil with my song' in favor of 'shout to the devil' firstly because that's really what I hear, and the song seems to be song from a powerless and desperate standpoint. It's a struggle for this individual to resist temptation, even if the cost is all he holds dear. He can't be doing the tempting...let alone tempting Satan.

I'm 100% sure he's saying 'Damn my eyes' 3 times in a row. If temptation is that much of a struggle for him, especially with it being so accessible to him (in all its forms) then it would seem to me that sight would be almost a curse. Therefore, to loudly proclaim his disdain for that weakness by 'damning' his eyes (because he would rather not have the choice at all?) makes sense to me.

I think that 'wants and need divide me...then I might as well be gone' is a rhetorical question on his part. If he can't will himself past his devils, then he deserves what he gets. He might as well be gone.

seb_135
07-20-2007, 12:45 AM
Damn, why can't he just reveal the actual lirycs? I think there's really not much spare space to give more interpretations and arguing if one guess is better than one. Think everyone has made up his/her mind so give us the truth!

Kangaroo_hung_me2
07-20-2007, 07:30 PM
This is the way that it means the most to me. This is what I sing at the top of my lungs at tool shows.

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few


But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day


The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round


So I, I would wish this all away


Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along


But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No prize could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away, my center


So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away


You're my piece of mind,
my own, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day


Damn my eyes!

Dim my eyes!

Damn my eyes!
If they should compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone...


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divided, withering away
Divided, withering away
Divided, withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.


Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence legion save your poison
Silence legion stay out of my way

ThreeDeviations
07-22-2007, 11:14 PM
breathe in union x 4
Pray in union... clearly clear

No prize? uh, no.

winch it away.. @ 2:50,
wish @ 2:52

(ask self if he merely says "wish" 4 time.. why it would sound utterly, entirely and obviously different 2 second prior... from 2:50 to 2:52)

Jam-bi eyes 3:30

other word... dealing, prophet, doubt, all alone, awaKe

Kangaroo_hung_me2
07-23-2007, 10:49 AM
what i hear comes from a live version i've heard.
think what you want, but he says prize in the live version that i have listened to,

one slip
07-24-2007, 05:50 AM
silently just sing your praises
silently just stay out of my way

tali
07-27-2007, 11:10 PM
However, why would maynard write a song like this about his son? That is what i dont understand. What would make maynard think about losing his son? As a parent, i dont go around thinking about what would happen if i lost my child and i dont think many other parents do either.


A friend of mine said once that Keenan reminded him of Mahler....

Mahler was a 19th century composer who (among other works, of course) set to music 6 poems in a collection he called "Kindertotenlieder" ("Songs on the Death of Children"). As the story goes, while he was working on the pieces, his wife had an eerie premonition and felt strongly that Mahler should discontinue his work. He finished the pieces. And then his daughter died.

I hope Keenan's not superstitious....

(Another interesting story: Mahler was superstitious about writing a 10th symphony because other composers, including Beethoven and Haydn, died before completing their 10th symphonies. Mahler wrote a symphony after his 9th which he did not title Symphony No. 10. He completed that piece, then died after starting Symphony No. 10.)

magiclessmarker
08-08-2007, 02:07 PM
Here's my final draft for Jambi:

Jambi
Words/Vocals: Maynard James Keenan
Music: Tool

Here from the king's mountain view.
Here from the wild dream come true.
Feast like a sultan I do, on treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away,
If I thought I'd lose you, just one day.

The devil and his had me down,
In love with the dark side, I'd found.
Dabbling all the way down,
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me,
Lifted me up, turned me round.
So I (I...) would (would...) wish this all away.

Pray like a father, dusk to dawn.
Beg like a hooker, all night long.
Tempted the devil with my song,
And got what I wanted all along.

But I...
And I would, if I could,
And I would wish it away...
Wish it all away.
Wanna wish it all away.
No prize that could hold sway,
Or justify my giving away my center.

So, if I could I'd wish it all away,
If I thought tomorrow would take you away.
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center.
I'm just trying to hold on one more day.

Damn my eyes...!
Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum,
Want you, need you by me, then I might as well be gone!

Shine on forever,
Shine on, benevolent son.

Shine down upon the broken,
Shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever,
Shine on, benevolent son.

Shine on upon the severed,
Shine until the two become one.

Divide and wither away...!

Shine on upon the many,
Light our way, benevolent son.

Breathe in union...
So, as one survive another day and season.
Silence, leech, and save your poison!
Silence, leech, and stay out of my way!

rrobb911
08-15-2007, 07:17 AM
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center.

I'm almost positive it's my Saturn.

plexus
08-15-2007, 09:39 AM
Here's my final draft for Jambi:

Damn my eyes...!
Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum,
Want you, need you by me, then I might as well be gone!



Want you, need you by me?

no.... that sounds like a beegees song.

want and need divide me, then i might as well be gone.

plexus
08-15-2007, 09:40 AM
I'm almost positive it's my Saturn.

no. not saturn.... center.


like... fulcrum...

benjamin
08-29-2007, 09:26 AM
Breed in union breed in union
breed in union breed in union

brave in union so as one survive
another day and season

silent leech and stay your poise and
silently just stay out of my way

Arkham Asylum
10-16-2007, 07:10 PM
I heard that "Jambi" lyrics have been posted on ToolArmy today.

Problem solved for now.

Arkham Asylum
10-16-2007, 07:50 PM
.....please? Where are they.......

Sorry, I'd post them if I could but I'm not a TA member (no cash and I'd like to keep my soul.)

But a little bird told me they've been posted by Blair. Someone will post them sooner or later, I'm sure.

Tool_Is_Sick
10-16-2007, 10:24 PM
Wow..You love some Jambi dont ya? Good Pick

Tool_Is_Sick
10-17-2007, 06:15 PM
You dont get it? I thought you were the jambi master...well i guess not.

CainisAbel
11-19-2007, 10:21 PM
not sure if this query has been discussed but the line;
the devil and his had me down.....sounds to me like;
'the devil and his hand me downs'
that phrase is used to mean satan and his workers [fallen angels and/or humans who choose his ways]
but perhaps because I know of it, I ascribe it to the lyrics when it isnt there, can anyone convince me otherwise?

siobahn
07-22-2010, 10:28 AM
I toggle between hearing it as "Shout to the Devil with my song" and "Shatter the Devil with my song"..

This is the way that it means the most to me. This is what I sing at the top of my lungs at tool shows.

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few


But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day


The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round


So I, I would wish this all away


Prayed like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along


But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No prize could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away, my center


So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away


You're my piece of mind,
my own, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day


Damn my eyes!

Dim my eyes!

Damn my eyes!
If they should compromise our fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone...


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one


Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine on 'til the two become one

Divided, withering away
Divided, withering away
Divided, withering away

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.


Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
Silence legion save your poison
Silence legion stay out of my way

fernygii
07-22-2010, 11:35 AM
On waffles and flesh never few

siobahn
07-24-2010, 11:29 AM
On waffles and flesh never few

ROFL!! Now that's gonna stick in my head....just like "Hold me closer, Tony Danza..."

benjamin
11-13-2010, 09:11 PM
...or justify my guilt and awake my center...
I always hear guilt or guild in this part, never giving

dunno

benjamin
11-13-2010, 09:13 PM
also,
Breed in union x4
brave in union, so...

SwingOnTheSpiral777
01-13-2011, 09:40 AM
Consciousness is all there is in life. An infinite amount of conscious atoms manifested as random objects. Your brain is the center of the universe. We are all one in consciousness. Your looking basically at yourself when you speak to another because you are both consciousness making decisions. In other words your in the same boat with life. Everything in life is a random object given a name to make it seem familiar. Your either a positive person or a negative person. Devour to survive or try and make it work for your race. The point where my life started to change forever is when i realized and asked myself what the hell is going on? What is this life thing I've been thrown into? And realizing that it all stems from your mind and life litterally revolves around you is just awesome. the power of the mind is amazing. Life is yours and every decision in it. even after death you'll still be conscious and making decisions.. So do what you want at all times because all there is, is you, everything else is just a product of your mind. Much love Bananaz,, p.s im guessing rule number 7 is tell the truth at all times..

SwingOnTheSpiral777
01-13-2011, 09:32 PM
Consciousness is all there is in life. An infinite amount of conscious atoms manifested as random objects. Your brain is the center of the universe. We are all one in consciousness. Your looking basically at yourself when you speak to another because you are both consciousness making decisions. In other words your in the same boat with life. Everything in life is a random object given a name to make it seem familiar. Your either a positive person or a negative person. Devour to survive or try and make it work for your race. The point where my life started to change forever is when i realized and asked myself what the hell is going on? What is this life thing I've been thrown into? And realizing that it all stems from your mind and life litterally revolves around you is just awesome. the power of the mind is amazing. Life is yours and every decision in it. even after death you'll still be conscious and making decisions.. So do what you want at all times because all there is, is you, everything else is just a product of your mind. Much love Bananaz,, p.s im guessing rule number 7 is tell the truth at all times..

That would also explain all the eyes in alex greys paintings everything has some form of consciousness..

elusivEuphoria
01-14-2011, 08:10 AM
Those are all very nice thoughts, but i think you would be better off posting that hmmnah (http://toolnavy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100).

sidereal
02-02-2011, 11:06 PM
aren't the final lyrics:

'Silent nietzsche, stay your poison.
Silent Nietzshche, stay out of my way!'??

For the song is about Maynard being interested in keeping something in his life which is about union and oneness despite his success, individualism and resulting materialism. "But I, I would wish it all away.
If I thought I'd Lose you just one day"

Nietzsche's philosophy is about distain for any desire to blend the individual into the whole. For nietszsche, this is slave morality, or the fleeing of the powerless person who is unable, due to lack of strenth, to assert his individuality. Maynard is crying out to assert his interest in holism in spite of his individual success!

What sense does 'silent, leech' or 'silent legion' make in the context of the song anyway?!

"Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few."

"But I, I would wish it all away.
If I thought I'd Lose you just one day"

"The devil and his had me down,
in love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabble in all the way down
up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me.
Lifted me up, turned me round.
So I...
I...
I...
I...
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away "

ps. saw tool for the first time in 16 years of listening last night in melbourne, aus. truly amazing!

sidereal
02-03-2011, 10:27 PM
aren't the final lyrics:
'Silent nietzsche, stay your poison.
Silent Nietzshche, stay out of my way!'??


Btw nietzsche is pronounced nee-cha

Any thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche#Morality

elusivEuphoria
02-03-2011, 11:16 PM
Legion makes perfect sense.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if it's a comment about Tool fans, by and large. Wanting Maynard to keep his "edge". But the term legion could encompass much more than just fans. I see it as any number of people and influences that would have had Maynard stay the angry, volatile Maynard that came through in Opiate and Undertow. That could be the fans, but it could just as well be short-sighted, money-grubbing label associates, it could be his peers.

I'm not sure how closely you have followed 'nard's blog on puscifer, but i think this post was in the same vein of what Jambi is about.

Backing up a bit. Shit happens to some of us. Traumatizing events occur and then we spend the rest of our lives, either consciously or unconsciously, trying to work it out. Some of us become the aggressors, inflicting the same trauma on others. Some of us medicate. Some of us become creative and use different mediums to express our pain and healing process. It’s a long process. And it of course gets worse before it gets better. If you happen to be one of the fortunate few who can express your self in a way with which people empathize, it can get even more difficult. The unhealthy behavior, which can surface during the healing process, is often times applauded. They applaud because you’ve touched on an experience with which they can relate. They applaud, you feel better, but only for a while. No ground is gained if we as artists only do it to be desired, praised, or accepted. The trick, for those who have chosen this expressive path, is to remember why you’re here. The trick is to remember that you’re here to heal and find resolution. That way if you stray off the path, or are seduced by the unhealthy accolades, you will be able to find your way back to the path. There are only so many metaphors for “feel my pain,” “woe is me,” and “pity this broken man.” Eventually we need to move beyond the trauma, otherwise we’re just a broken record and we offer no hope to anyone. If these stories aren’t healing us, the teller of the tales, then how the hell are they going to help in the healing process of anyone else? Where is the hope if we are required to remain stationary, to continue picking scabs rather than move on to healthier places? So, Remember. The goal for us is resolve and healing. The hope is that with each stage along the way, new understandings emerge. It would seem then that with each new threshold achieved, prior darker states of being become less and less relevant. And we in theory continue to move towards a lighter state of being.

Silence Legion, save your poison. Stay out of my way.

Silence your applause, I'm not here to be praised, worshiped or rewarded. I'm here to stay on the path of healing. Don't interfere.

iAMtheMA!
02-04-2011, 07:45 AM
Silence your applause, YOU are not here. YOU are somewhere else. YOU are not to be praised, worshiped or rewarded. I CUM B4 U. I'm here to stay on the path of healing. (YOU!) Don't interfere.

possible reinterpretation? ^

elusivEuphoria
02-04-2011, 10:25 AM
Um okay.

unrelated...

In re-reading what I posted, I want to clarify what I meant by those last two lines. I really feel it means 'Save your idol worship for someone else, I'm here to do what I need to do.'

And as all the band members have said time and time again; what ever fans get from the albums, whatever it may be, hopefully it's something positive and constructive. That seems to be their overall motif.

More specifically related to Jambi however, the message seems to be... No matter how good a situation or lifestyle may appear, if it ever compromises what is truly important to me... then it has to end/change, period. But I suppose that also requires a healthy perspective from the get-go on what exactly is "important". If were talking about maynard's perspective with these lyrics; I'm of the crowd that thinks this song is specifically about Devo, his birth and maynard's life changing experiences in the mid-late 90's.

iAMtheMA!
02-04-2011, 11:41 AM
unrelated? lol. if you reread it, you'll see that i basically wrote the post you -just- made, dude. haha. try rereading what swingonthespiral had up there. mirrors mirroring the mirrored mirror for mirrors sake. how does this sit with the YOU i was referring to? "hey, all idol/idle-ing tool fans! shut your fuckin' noisehole! whhhhhooooo the fuuuuck arrrrrre YOU?! psst, apparently nothing at all." an invitation to the vast nothingness of an infinitely nested eternal moment. but yeah, "tool fans" could mean much more than what we are here, including ...what we do here. could mean a lot of things. kinda makes your post a nonpoint. empty gesture. which is ok. keep go in. i would say: save your idol worship for someone else, that's what they are there four. :and then gesture the four points of the cross: see? he died for YOU. i'm here because we should all be here. i need this. i need YOU to feeeeeeel THIS. fuck YOU*.

*but not -you- elusiv, just the dogmatic/pathelogic/broken/severed/dis-eased idea of 'YOU'.

[damn i missed this place, where mah' hommies AT!?]

elusivEuphoria
02-04-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm going to be honest, no matter how much I re-read what you write, it just comes across as babbling. I'm not knocking your opinion because I can't even figure out what it is.

iAMtheMA!
02-04-2011, 11:58 AM
do you realize "end" and "change" are opposites? it's the difference between a square and a circle.

iAMtheMA!
02-04-2011, 11:59 AM
a grudge and a patient.
a vampire and a warrior.

Mosis
02-07-2011, 10:12 AM
are you high? or... insane?

what's the difference between a square and a circle? in what way are they "opposites?"

iAMtheMA!
02-07-2011, 07:11 PM
symbolism > sacred geometry. think about dimensional evolution, from void, to point, to line, to plane, to the third dimension, and beyond ...and then look into the alchemical phrase/process/challenge of "squaring the circle", -especially- when it comes to tool and co. (do not use wiki!)... i was referring to these polarized ideas as the way the clash did: "Should I Stay (the square) or Should I Go (the circle)". as in the differences between red light, green light. conservative vs. liberal (but without the politics). basically, what is the intention to move, heal, or create? and should this intention ever go away? why might THIS be worth our attention right now?

poetry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QqrvSryQA

Mosis
02-07-2011, 09:27 PM
wow, you are totally batshit insane

Inner_Eulogy
03-05-2012, 01:12 PM
chasticed the devil/ whip my son
and get what I wanted all alone
butt
A
AU
If A
Good
mmm
AAA
would
wish it a way
-wish it on a way

wish it on a way
why 'd I wish it on a way
no
pracicle hold sway heart justify ma kneal and a wait my chanice so
if I could i'd wish it all a way
why wait tomorrow and take you away
you my peace of mind my own my sanice just try to hold on one more dead
dim my eyes
dim -
- salvation
compromise
our volcrum
what you need you wacknitig
I've my ass well bacon

Put down the needle

elusivEuphoria
03-05-2012, 01:34 PM
Seriously... we all shit post, but most of us try to keep it coherent. 'cept for iAMtheMa!.

Shouldn't all of these threads be locked anyway? The lyrics have been posted. Jus'sayin.

iAMtheMA!
03-05-2012, 01:41 PM
seriously eat shit.

Neurotripsicks
04-11-2012, 07:43 PM
I don't care what anyone says or what I read on the internet, it's NOT SEVERED it's CENTER. Severed doesn't make sense. It's "shine on through the center, shine until the two become one" If the center is divided, makes sense. How the hell do people get "severed"? Really, look into things before posting lyrics people!

elusivEuphoria
04-11-2012, 08:31 PM
What is this? I dont even....

okay, if you think he's lying, fine. but maynard's official lyrics are http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/10kdayslyrics.php#02

'Shine down upon the severed' makes plenty of sense. Do you really need it explained to you? How does center make more sense? Where are you getting "shine on through the center"?

I'm being trolled so hard right meow.

Neurotripsicks
04-11-2012, 10:05 PM
What is this? I dont even....

okay, if you think he's lying, fine. but maynard's official lyrics are http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/10kdayslyrics.php#02

'Shine down upon the severed' makes plenty of sense. Do you really need it explained to you? How does center make more sense? Where are you getting "shine on through the center"?

I'm being trolled so hard right meow.

Not once in the song "shine down" is mentioned. Listen more instead of reading.


:p

elusivEuphoria
04-12-2012, 04:46 AM
I've listened to the song many times, on the record, in concert and in live recordings. "Shine down" is mentioned.

You seem to be in the business of ignoring any valid information and instead choose to be an uppity asshole, bringing some outside arguement here where you are clearly in the wrong.

Neurotripsicks
04-12-2012, 02:45 PM
I've listened to the song many times, on the record, in concert and in live recordings. "Shine down" is mentioned.

You seem to be in the business of ignoring any valid information and instead choose to be an uppity asshole, bringing some outside arguement here where you are clearly in the wrong.

No, I've seen them live and not once did that come out. I'm just sayin, listen more.

iAMtheMA!
04-12-2012, 03:52 PM
yeah man, ya gotta listen BEYOND what's actually sung. [btw "severed" complete fits the track/idea; so answer elusiv's question (re: "center" making more sense) ...should be good]

Neurotripsicks
04-14-2012, 07:17 AM
Within Jambi there suggests other ideas on why I believe it's Center not Severed. Not being severed absolutely makes no sense what-so-ever, but how Center fits in the song, the album and also what Carey and Maynard have been practicing since Ænima.

Lets take a look at another song on 10,000 Days called The Pot. What most of you don't realize is the use of the word Indigo. It's not random, it's meaningful. The 6th Chakra, the command or Third Eye.

Chakra Six: Color/Indigo
Light, Archetypal identity, oriented to self-reflection
Dwelling: Intuition

What does that have to do with "Center" and "Jambi"? Chakra Centers...that's another song, another story BUT, Tool have been known, or at least known to people that study their music frequently, to delve into Chakras, Kundalini and other spiritual methods concerning Buddhism and Hinduism.

An interview with Alex Grey I happened to see a while back also helped provoke the "center". He refers to this while talking about when he was "developing" Net Of Being (which later became the album artwork for 10,000 Days) in Brazil after doubling up on ayahuasca. Anyone who has seen the official Vicarious video knows what I'm talking about. And don't ask me about ayahuasca, this isn't the Rosetta Stoned lyrics discussion.

Also in Jambi:

"You're my piece of mind my whole my 'center'....."


Interesting line in the song. Read that for a while until you have an epiphany.

Hmmm center, center....center. Shine on through the center shine until the two become one. Oh! No way....no way! We are all one consciousness, seperated we are nothing, together in the center we are...whole, complete. Reflection? Bill Hicks? Anyways...



"Within each person, there is a "center" where "you", the essence of who you are and consider yourself to be, is located. It is not a physical place, rather it is where the certainty of your confidence is. When you are distressed, it is good to contemplate this "essence place" in order to reconnect with the calm certainty that is your self." - anonymous


If the center within ANY chakra is jeapordized, mental vision becomes cloudy and a being becomes more and more apathetic. Seriously, this is a common sense issue. Who doesn't know Tool has taken this route with their music? Either way, Tool do not put lyrics in their albums for a reason. That reason being anyone can interpret their songs in their own way, each song strikes everyone differently. If someone thinks "Dim" instead of "Damn", maybe that works better for them.
I don't do that anymore though, I use occam's razor when analyzing anything with subtlety and because of occam's razor I hear "Damn", "Center", "Silent Legion" etcetera.


I recommend studying chakras more and learning how the center within us is crucial to developing a clear state of mind, well being and also how to open certain Chakras. Not just the Ajna either, but all 7.



EDIT: I happen to think it's amazing how a band so popular is yet so esoteric. That's unique.

iAMtheMA!
04-14-2012, 07:47 AM
metaphor for a missing moment pull me into your perfect sever one womb one shape one resolve liberate this will to release us all gotta cut away clear away snip away and center this umbilical residue that's keeping me from killing you

Neurotripsicks
04-14-2012, 07:59 AM
metaphor for a missing moment pull me into your perfect circle one womb one shape one resolve liberate this will to release us all gotta cut away clear away snip away and sever this umbilical residue that's keeping me from killing you


Yeah, that makes complete sense but one small problem with that. Just because a word is used by the same singer in a different band in a song completely irrelevant to anything dealing with Tool or the lyrics to Jambi doesn't mean it's constant.

It was funny though I'll give ya that, I laughed :p

iAMtheMA!
04-14-2012, 09:42 AM
i was right, thank you for responding.

good. i'm glad you laughed. because it also disproves your lil' occam's razor implementation. if the dispute exists of aural subtleties, then the context of all words and musical composition surrounding the discrepancy might be something to "look" into (see: earballs). however, as even you have stated, when it comes to TOOL - probably more than any other band in the world - this would just lead to more subtleties (by way of subjective interpretation). in fact, an entire wrap of occam's razor esque aural "triggers" could be utilized with the full intention of "swaying" listener appreciation and/or interpretation of the track ...from the most passive listener, to the most intently active. and if "rosetta stoned" is a message for the fan: YOU BETTER LISTEN! hint hint! it's clever, and the band's all about optical illusions, destroying preconceptions, and playing the trickster ...hence april tool's day. never be too certain of any THNG.

take "the pot" for example. does he say "asshole" or "ass, so..."? or does maynard even utter a single "offensive" word throughout all of lateralus (most claim track 8)? this is precisely why tool drags their feet on releasing album lyrics. gets you to wonder, gets you to shut off all external stimuli and just sit with the song ...patient and aware. deeply breathing. but ...you know, eventually they do get released. still, we see obvious ommisions and some mixed up phrases ...but the meat of the dish is the same, severed up and served out for you. example (from toolshed): though the "official" transcript does say "sun kissed", this may be one of the many typos on all of Tool's official transcripts. [i still think it's "sun kissed" ...like in the vicarious vid - actually i don't think there is a single brand name product in that song (why the hell would there be?) ...and yeah it still makes MORE sense to me]

here's the thing. i'm not so sure i trust my ears, and my mind is usually too far in front of me, or too far behind me. if i had it together then i'd be the one on stage in front of thousands. i mean, think about it. music. sound. vibrations of energy. infinite in, infinite out. all right here, yet all without. it is as pure as all physics, all stellar influences involved, and whatever created that ...or this. i meant THIS. really, it's far more THIS than it could ever be "that" :points finger away from the self as if it meant someTHING even though it doesn't: 'cause we are not SEVERED from one another, "we are all one mind" ...it is only an illusion of our disharmonic level of consciousness (44&2?), a "fevered ego" false sense of self ...that keeps us "pointing the finger AT everything (but his heart)". hence the "need to watch THINGS die". and no i'm not just throwing songs together for the hell of it. the narrative fits well and goes the distance, even into bill hicks territory. you'll be amazed. truly. initial occam's razor though might suggest that this cannot be possible. actually ...seems like you're ahead of me on this one: "Just because a word is used by the same singer in a different band in a song completely irrelevant to anything dealing with Tool or the lyrics to Jambi doesn't mean it's constant." ...which is one way of looking at it.

anyway, back to remaining logically humble ...i need to triangulate my focus from a wide variety of viewpoints to get the best overall idea - which is one of the reasons i love this forum so much (lil' shoutout). now, i'm not sure what you'd do in this case ...but i've got google for brainz. mostly because it offers the most amount of readily available - and often new - information. google: tool lyrics. or circumvent fan sites and get it direct from the source. toolband. well okay, so now you realize that 10k days hasn't been posted on toolband.com ...enter toolshed: These are the lyrics straight from the source. They form a blueprint for each performance of each song. They may vary at times, but the above words were typed by the guy who sings them. Let them be your starting point.

and if that's not enough, then you've come to the right place. fuck consensus (i tend to agree). let's do this personal interpretation by personal interpretation. so now your claim against sever is that it doesn't make sense "what-so-ever". but it does. as i've mentioned above. sever compliments the narrative throughout all of tool's career AND suggests ties between "jambi" and a perfect circle's catalogue (specifically "orestes"). convention suggests different band, different everything ...but nothing about tool or maynard would suggest that they'd prefer conventional thinking. so you know, check yourself before you ...you know. do you know how often crowley et esoterica are cross referenced to express a single idea? amoungst artists, musicians, alchemists alike? throughout hundreds, even thousands, or years ...of various culture texts and symbols? but NO WAY, can't be possible!!! not within tool's discography.

"Forgetting who I was for the first time in my life, just a scared little creature with a featureless body, all I could do was feel and see. That is when you know how infinite the universe is, when you have no reference point (cognition). Nothing to compare any thing to. Just a bunch of sensory data experienced by an Infant." - excerpt from a letter by a TOOL fan

iAMtheMA!
04-14-2012, 10:07 AM
i had a goldfish named ajna

Neurotripsicks
04-14-2012, 10:23 AM
I just want to say that I have no intention of displaying an ego on here. Sometimes it's hard to express my feelings on a keyboard, actually, all the time it is. All I know from what I've learned is this band is steering me towards the direction of something no other band could even possibly fathom. Like I said earlier, I am not trying to say I am right and everyone elses opinion is wrong, all I am saying is this is what I hear (wish I could italicize) and I am open to anything. Always open. It's extremely hard to practice humility anymore, especially now days since the media is brainwashing kids to trash moral and family values. Anyways, I hear and understand "center" in Jambi. TO ME it makes sense, not because of occam's razor, I can hear him say it. Everything Lateralus has taught us we should know this by now.



Nice name for that goldfish btw

iAMtheMA!
04-14-2012, 11:09 AM
1177 posts deep on just this one song ...has gotta count for something. only "right in two" beats it out ...and we all know why, we all know which line it is. but the lyrics in jambi have a few instances of uncertainty, which on their own seem to influence the others (i.e. if you hear this now, you'll hear that later) ...which indeed makes it tough ...but the fact that these discrepancies can weave and dance around each other to compliment ...as well as contradict(!) ...is ...well, i don't know. do we have a name for it? do we -need- to name it? i know i can't do it! well, not intentionally at least. certainly not like tool. i mean, it happens all the time in conversation. i don't know what it is about me or how i communicate with others, but i get into trouble A LOT, even with the best of intentions ...even with further clarification ...even in my own family. perhaps i've tripped too often(?) but 'misunderstandings' - as a general concept - happen to me all the time. [this isn't a racism commentary btw]. some people are so habitual or stubborn that you know they're gonna hear something you say in a certain light, or perhaps darkness ...the cynics out there are nearly impossible to talk to, and forget watching a movie with them (...but then i wonder if i'm really meeting them half way?) blah blah blah... whole 'nother conversation...

anyways, everything you said up there (1176) is e-prime and dandy. the grass appears green to me, too. also ...the fevered ego thing was more of an allusion to hicks, nothing t'wards you.

Inner_Eulogy
04-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Severed FTW......lazy day so I'll keep it short. "Shine down upon the severed, shine until the two become one." I don't understand how this doesn't make perfect sense to any logical being capable of rational thought.

He's saying shine upon the broken, the split apart, the "SEVERED" with the light, the love, whatever metaphor he may intend until the "SEVERED" can become one again.

I suppose center could somewhat fit in the lyrics and still make sense but just chill out and accept the fact that you're wrong.

PEACE

elusivEuphoria
04-14-2012, 12:23 PM
CANNUH GET AN AMEN?!

I don't understand how this doesn't make perfect sense to any logical being capable of rational thought.

Therein lies the problem, amirite?

Neurotripsicks
04-14-2012, 10:49 PM
Severed "Shine down upon the severed, shine until the two become one."




I think it's funny how people hear an illusion of "down" in that song. He never says "shine down"...ever. not once ever. People think it's "Sun" and imediately assume and conjure up other words describing that premise. Well, ...I hate to break it to you, and the other people that think it's "Sun" but it's not .... it's "Son". Once you understand that one word within Jambi and analyse the song (not over analyzing) as a whole with THAT premise, you will then begin to understand why "center" is crucial and how it is important not only to Jambi, but 10,000 Days in general. Don't hate me, you'll get it one day...or maybe not. Who knows ;)


1177 posts deep on just this one song ...has gotta count for something. only "right in two" beats it out ...and we all know why, we all know which line it is. but the lyrics in jambi have a few instances of uncertainty, which on their own seem to influence the others (i.e. if you hear this now, you'll hear that later) ...which indeed makes it tough ...but the fact that these discrepancies can weave and dance around each other to compliment ...as well as contradict(!) ...is ...well, i don't know. do we have a name for it? do we -need- to name it? i know i can't do it! well, not intentionally at least. certainly not like tool. i mean, it happens all the time in conversation. i don't know what it is about me or how i communicate with others, but i get into trouble A LOT, even with the best of intentions ...even with further clarification ...even in my own family. perhaps i've tripped too often(?) but 'misunderstandings' - as a general concept - happen to me all the time. [this isn't a racism commentary btw]. some people are so habitual or stubborn that you know they're gonna hear something you say in a certain light, or perhaps darkness ...the cynics out there are nearly impossible to talk to, and forget watching a movie with them (...but then i wonder if i'm really meeting them half way?) blah blah blah... whole 'nother conversation...

anyways, everything you said up there (1176) is e-prime and dandy. the grass appears green to me, too. also ...the fevered ego thing was more of an allusion to hicks, nothing t'wards you.




I'm open to anything. It's hard to live life like Reflection has taught me. Although, I can understand different opinions and theories about Tool songs and albums etc, etc.

iAMtheMA!
04-15-2012, 12:03 AM
severed still works with the whole endocrinal system you're talking about. have you ever seen that parabola dvd menu bumper? or any of the vicarious video? how does severed NOT work? bc you hear center?

but c'mon, when your mind is still and physical self forgotten (alex grey's mindfold, cupped headphones, and all), when all cognition of your body melts off into oblivion, you will know that there is a world of difference between "sever" and "severed". do you hear "centered" at least? i've heard some soft t's before but this phonetic challenge is truncating the full duration of what's being sung.

there's a hard d and then air, or in musical terms ...a rest. it carries the lyrical rhythm that extra all-important step ...and yeah it is as necessary as i'm making it. it makes shit pop! and clashes perfectly with what the bass is doing there (one of my fav. tool riffs).

also, the center of 1 makes more sense than the center of 2. unless there were 3, in which case it'd be the center 1 of 2 (no wait that's still 2 ...center 1 of 3). i'm not maynard, but i think "middle" works better than "center" in this case. might be a knitpick, tho. i've been using google sketchup too much i'm sure.

iAMtheMA!
04-15-2012, 12:15 AM
pulled from right in two thread:

When we're "one" we're whole, when we're seperated, we're constantly confused and lacking communication with one another - Neurotripsicks

see? you understand the "i'm broken, lookin' up to see the enemy" severed and disharmonic consciousness as mentioned in jambi. seems to me like the same idea. "and i don't want to feel this overwhelming hostilityyyyyyyyyyy!"

Neurotripsicks
04-15-2012, 12:27 AM
pulled from right in two thread:

When we're "one" we're whole, when we're seperated, we're constantly confused and lacking communication with one another - Neurotripsicks

see? you understand the "i'm broken, lookin' up to see the enemy" severed and disharmonic consciousness as mentioned in jambi. seems to me like the same idea. "and i don't want to feel this overwhelming hostilityyyyyyyyyyy!"



lol you know I'm right why do you keep harassing me :P

iAMtheMA!
04-15-2012, 12:36 AM
i had a headache that woke me up but now it's gone yet i cannot sleep

Neurotripsicks
04-15-2012, 02:05 AM
watch 2001, good movie. Actually, you know what freaked me out earlier today? I messed up the interlude to Jambi today playing steering wheel drums, you know the vamp before the 0000 0000 00 0 000 0 (which is a genius riff) the part that goes

00 0 00 0 00 0 0000 0 00 0 00 0 0000 0 0000 0 00 0 0000 0000
00 0 00 0 00 0 0000 0 00 0 00 0 0000 0 0000 0 00 0 0000 0000...............



0000 0000 00 0 0000......

CivilizedWarfare
02-02-2014, 12:40 AM
I can timestretch these songs and tell you guys what they say lol

Malaclypse
10-07-2014, 06:59 AM
is it "the devil and his had me down"? or is it "the devil's minions had me down."?
also, is it "save your poison" or "take your poison"?

other than those two questions i have, i think the lyrics are accurate.

and to someone who said it might be "dim my eyes," i think "damn my eyes" makes more sense, because damnation is divine punishment.. he essentially says "punish my eyes if they betray me"