Vicarious is telling us this is a hoax..

[spiiiral]

First of all..Vicarious is defined as " to take a place of another as a substitution"

Second of all..doesn't anybody else think it's sort of odd that Vicarious lacks ONE COMPLEX METAPHOR? When is the last time Tool decided to forego intricate metaphors in a song?

Third of all.. "la la la la la la la LIE"

That comes out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the song.

And, I'm sorry, but Maynard singing "la la la?" Come on guys.

I'll step back and wait to be called a moron.

But anybody else that thinks my points are valid, I'd like to hear your opinions and hypotheses also.

Peace.

[T-13h]

Just shut the fuck up already.

[spiiiral]

I appreciate your intelligent reply.

[T-13h]

I don't appreciate your insane theory.

[spiiiral]

I don't appreciate your insane theory.

And how, exactly, is it insane?

[T-13h]

It's your opinion that the "la la lie"s don't fit.

I'm not sure how complex Tool's metaphors have ever been.

All official sources have confirmed the album name and track titles.

Even if you don't like it, there's clearly way too much effort put into making it for it to be in any sense a fake.

[cyricc]

All official sources confirmed that Maynard found Jesus.

[ChristianTroy]

All official sources confirmed the band died in a bus crash in Australia in 1997. Since everything the official sources say is clearly true, I don't see how this album could have been made at all.

[dracomordag]

GTFO

[T-13h]

Wings for Marie is a joke?

MTV is shit, btw. And anyone who thought that Maynard finding Jesus was real is an idiot.

[Volrath]

Third of all.. "la la la la la la la LIE"


That fits with the death rattle which maynard sings exactly two fucking seconds before those lines.

[Sine Nobilitas]

Yeah that Hooker With A Penis what a complex metaphor...

[etc43]

The REAL album is going to be 76 minutes of Maynard singing, "Goddamn, TIMMY! Shit the bed again, la la la la la la," over and over again while doing his best impression of Maroon 5. Danny plays quarter notes the whole time while Adam does inherently UN-technical stuff and Justin plays nothing but old riffs. This leaked crap is OBVIOUSLY fake, lol.

[ChristianTroy]

Maybe I should clarify what I meant above. I'm not really sure whether this album is the whole thing or not. I don't really have an opinion. All I'm saying is that if you think this is the whole story just because the official sources told you so, you are a fucking idiot. The official sources have done nothing but fuck with the fans for the entire history of Tool. Do a search on this site and read about the old April Fools Day jokes. I'm not saying I think this will happen, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to go buy this album on May 2 and hear something that is different than the leak.

[T-13h]

No.

[cyricc]

No.

Witty response from a witty man.

[spiiiral]

That fits with the death rattle which maynard sings exactly two fucking seconds before those lines.

i personally dont believe that when somebody is choking to death on their own bodily fluids and gasping for air that its going to sound like "la la la"

and what would "lie" have to do with that?

hooker with a penis..the title..is a metaphor in and of itself. and at least the song makes a point.

i just dont believe vicarious with its simplistic language is that..phenomenal.

but, then again, it IS made for the radio, and those are often not as incredible as the rest of the album. think: schism.

my 2 cents.

[T-13h]

The death rattle entertains those living vicariously through the TV.

For them it's like a baby's rattle : "la la la la lie"

"Lay your head down, go back to sleep"

etc

[spiiiral]

The REAL album is going to be 76 minutes of Maynard singing, "Goddamn, TIMMY! Shit the bed again, la la la la la la," over and over again while doing his best impression of Maroon 5. Danny plays quarter notes the whole time while Adam does inherently UN-technical stuff and Justin plays nothing but old riffs. This leaked crap is OBVIOUSLY fake, lol.

i agree with you.

but i personally interpretted "god damn shit the bed" as him dying.

too overwhelmed by the trip on whatever drug it was he ingested (my personal belief is that it was DMT, though 'blame hofmann' immediately seems like a reference to LSD)

orrrr just freaked out and..shit the bed...and im overanalyzing.

who knows.

[spiiiral]

and does anybody else think its weird that so many parts of the lyrics are incomplete sentences?

like maynard-ebonics or some shit?

[T-13h]

and does anybody else think its weird that so many parts of the lyrics are incomplete sentences?

like maynard-ebonics or some shit?

Yeah, he does think he's black people. I'll give you that one.

[spiiiral]

The death rattle entertains those living vicariously through the TV.

For them it's like a baby's rattle : "la la la la lie"

"Lay your head down, go back to sleep"

etc

i definitely see your point. i just personally dont think it fits..it seems a bit awkward and..well, whatever.

maybe its just a part of maynards attempt at a new approach. that, in combination with the beginning of "the pot" (which i actually like. reminds me of APCs "fiddle and the drum" which im quite a fan of)

im not claiming that i know anything one way or the other, just attempting to point out things to think about.

[spiiiral]

Yeah, he does think he's black people. I'll give you that one.

i cant tell if you were being sarcastic

[T-13h]

i cant tell if you were being sarcastic

Sarcasm is an attitude. The words remain.

Spiral Out.

[justlikeme]

Even if you think that this is a hoax album, which I am in between two minds about. I still think Vicarious is the real deal, so your whole theory about the lalalalalie thing not fitting, is stupid...cos well it does.Listen to it.
And when may 2nd comes and when this is the same album that comes out, will everyone promise to stop with the fucking conspiracy theories and let it die already.

[spiiiral]

Sarcasm is an attitude. The words remain.

Spiral Out.

not..necessarily...

[spiiiral]

Even if you think that this is a hoax album, which I am in between two minds about. I still think Vicarious is the real deal, so your whole theory about the lalalalalie thing not fitting, is stupid...cos well it does.Listen to it.
And when may 2nd comes and when this is the same album that comes out, will everyone promise to stop with the fucking conspiracy theories and let it die already.

i think vicarious sounds like it could have been made by any band

and i do not think thats typical tool-style

sure, it fits auditorily, but thematically i think its weak.

and yes, if my opinions are incorrect, of course ill lets the conspiracy theories die. why wouldnt i?

[lucydog]

I think this is the real thing, but i wouldnt put it past them to leak a hoax. I like it, and personally think its "more toolish"(sorry for saying "toolish") than lateralus. every other tool cd has a sense of humor to it, mixed in with serious stuff. All this talk about "tool albums following order...steps" is CRAP. How many more highschool psychology/eastern religion songs do you want? Why does ANYONE think that MJK has the mysteries of the universe solved, and is revealing them to you for the low low price of $14.99? why do the lyrics have to be some metaphor to be valid and deep? since when has tool been mature? was it when rev. maynard was preaching about "the screams of the carrots?" lets face it- the members of Tool are all over the hill. they have grown, and changed as artists. And im so sick of the "5 years is too long for this" talk. they have not been working on this cd for 5 years! (and not the supposed REAL cd either) they have lives outside of Tool! Do you? They have other bands they perform and tour with, not to mention stores, vineyards and such. This album brings back what made me fall in love with Tool in the first place: emotion and humor. I for one will not be dissapointed on May 2, when i open up the cd case to find this album. If it is a hoax, i will treasure 10,000 days even more...because they pulled off the greatest prank ever. what will all the naysayers say? how many people will change their tune?

[justlikeme]

and yes, if my opinions are incorrect, of course ill lets the conspiracy theories die. why wouldnt i?


cos I honestly think that if this is the real thing, some people are going to continue being indenial and the next date they'll cling onto is the 16th of may, which is the release date for the import on amazon.

either way, come may 2nd unfortunatly I believe either the non hoax people or the hoax believers are gonna flood the boards with i fucking told you so threads

[spiiiral]

cos I honestly think that if this is the real thing, some people are going to continue being indenial and the next date they'll cling onto is the 16th of may, which is the release date for the import on amazon.

either way, come may 2nd unfortunatly I believe either the non hoax people or the hoax believers are gonna flood the boards with i fucking told you so threads

yea, probably.

i admit when im wrong though. no shame in false hypotheses.

edit: that wasnt meant as a high-and-mighty "well III admit when im wrong." because you wouldnt fuckin know that since you dont..know me. so..yea. whatev. peace man

[justlikeme]

yeah I know...

and I'm a girl,not a man =)

[Tertius Oculum]

cos I honestly think that if this is the real thing, some people are going to continue being indenial and the next date they'll cling onto is the 16th of may, which is the release date for the import on amazon.

either way, come may 2nd unfortunatly I believe either the non hoax people or the hoax believers are gonna flood the boards with i fucking told you so threads
Yeah but the real album doesn't come out till July 6th.

LIKE ADAM SAID.

[justlikeme]

lmfao...
Danny told me it was july 4th...
but maybe he was just being patriotic.

[Aeneldil]

Here's a new spin that no one has mentioned yet. What if every song including vicarious is part of a bsides collection to be on the flip side of a double disc and the other side is totally new material. Everyone seems to think Vicarious is going to be on this other CD if it exists, which I hope does simply because I want all the music I can get. I think if there is another disc you will not find vicarious on it anywhere. I think it is limited to this release and we won't actually hear a single from the other side if it exists til the CD is out. I must say the sing on this CD are pretty damned good, and the lyrics are powerful, the CD is missing the holy shit moments every other Tool CD has. This CD is as great as any other Tool CD IMHO, but, it doesn't set a new standard for them like every other Tool CD has, they just met their old standards in some pretty weird ways. If there is another CD HELL YES, if there's not HELL YES. It's win-win we have new tool with the possibility no matter how slim of more new tool.

[Aeneldil]

Oh yeah, let's all try to get on the same page too, these boards are getting annoying with all the bitching.