"A Definate 2-CD Album"

[Bassfreeker]

I know I can't prove this, but because of all the hype here I spoke to my friend who works at a local CD store if he knew anything. He checked the list of incoming CD's and the list he had (and I saw it) said 'Tool - 10,000 Days (Double Album)' the list was from Intermusic SA? I will try and get a copy uploaded. This could be interesting...

[demoncleaner]

I know I can't prove this, but because of all the hype here I spoke to my friend who works at a local CD store if he knew anything. He checked the list of incoming CD's and the list he had (and I saw it) said 'Tool - 10,000 Days (Double Album)' the list was from Intermusic SA? I will try and get a copy uploaded. This could be interesting...

Now this, I believe. Seriously.

[Oberon]

Sure it didn't say "double disc"?


A lot of albums recently have been released in single disc and double disc format, with music on one side and extras on the other, on the dual disc.

[RED_THE_HAT]

I know I can't prove this, but because of all the hype here I spoke to my friend who works at a local CD store if he knew anything. He checked the list of incoming CD's and the list he had (and I saw it) said 'Tool - 10,000 Days (Double Album)' the list was from Intermusic SA? I will try and get a copy uploaded. This could be interesting...


What I would like you to do, is prove that you aint some fucked up lurker with 1 post, and make us all very happy my making a whole nother post to move your grand total to 2, by adding a link to a source, and make us all very happy people.

[Jayar]

Stop getting my hopes up!

[Mozeley]

Stop getting my hopes up!

Well if this is true then that means I'm only paying 8 pound for a double cd album...which isn't really believable.

[DaMa]

Could you scan the list and load it up? Then the discussion can go on, otherwise we're again wasting our time.

[Bassfreeker]

It could have been 'Double Disc', but it seemed to be worded like there was 2 discs, I need to get a copy!

[Teratoma]

I hope it's a double disc! Maybe the leak was all their shitty music and the better stuff is still to come!

[Oberon]

I hope it's a double disc! Maybe the leak was all their shitty music and the better stuff is still to come!


That way lay madness =/

[BlindVisionary]

Until proof, it is a rumour...

[Ryan]

I know I can't prove this, but because of all the hype here I spoke to my friend who works at a local CD store if he knew anything. He checked the list of incoming CD's and the list he had (and I saw it) said 'Tool - 10,000 Days (Double Album)' the list was from Intermusic SA? I will try and get a copy uploaded. This could be interesting...

let me make this 100% clear:

IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE AUTHENTIC, AND THE MUSIC DOES, IN FACT, NOT SUCK ASS, I AM GOING TO PUSH MY PENIS VERY, VERY DEEP INTO THE HOLE IN YOUR ASS AND COMMENCE HAVING SEX WITH IT.


and i am in no way kidding.

[DirtyBanana]

let me make this 100% clear:

IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE AUTHENTIC, AND THE MUSIC DOES, IN FACT, NOT SUCK ASS, I AM GOING TO PUSH MY PENIS VERY, VERY DEEP INTO THE HOLE IN YOUR ASS AND COMMENCE HAVING SEX WITH IT.


and i am in no way kidding.

Me too.

[Ryan]

Me too.

*high five*

[bonch]

My local CD store doesn't say it's a double album, and I checked with them to make sure.

What you're hearing is it, people. It's the new 10,000 Days album.

[redbox]

lol

[stinkfish]

bullshit

[Rosette feasted]

My Father works at a local CD store (that means he is a god, just like radio DJs) and he told me that the new Toolalbum isn't called 10000 days but 'Bassfreeker has 2 posts and 0 balls'.

[Aggroculture]

I think there's only going to be 10,000 copies released, one for each day and they can only sell one a day. Sux 2 B A TEWL FAN

[bluefire]

I know I can't prove this

I stopped reading right about there.

[Zeus]

It's one physical CD, but it will be double-sided. You can flip the CD over in your player and play the REAL album. First time this has been done. Good job Tool.

[welb]

It's one physical CD, but it will be double-sided. You can flip the CD over in your player and play the REAL album. First time this has been done. Good job Tool.

heh, didn't Alex Grey say that the "unit itself" is unlike anything anyone has ever done? I still don't believe it, though.

[Indrid Cold]

Double Disks pwn Dual disks. Dual Disks suck big time.

I'd rather have 2 physical cds than one with two sides and no artwork.

[Strife21]

Well I tend to believe this is a possiblity. With the new lightscribe technology and everything Alex Grey could very possibly do some art on the actual disc and still have it play on both sides.

The more I listen to the leak and listen to the production quality and compare it to that of lateralus the more I think it kinda sounds muffled a bit and unclear at times. When I listen to Lateralus the vocals are crisp and clear and I can here every little bit of the instruments in each song. I have a very high quality sound system in my car and maybe thats the reason I can see the difference.


Hmm wouldnt having a dual sided disc bring a similarity to all that stereoscopic stuff like seeing two images in one?

[justlikeme]

Idon't think so.
A good friend of mine works in a music store and he's holding out that the leak is a decoy but I asked him about this and they don't have any record that it's a double album at all.

[azatoth]

The more I listen to the leak and listen to the production quality and compare it to that of lateralus the more I think it kinda sounds muffled a bit and unclear at times. When I listen to Lateralus the vocals are crisp and clear and I can here every little bit of the instruments in each song. I have a very high quality sound system in my car and maybe thats the reason I can see the difference.



when commenting on the soundquality, you have to keep in mind that it's indeed a leak encoded in a lossy format and the actual disc will sound much better.

2-disc or hoax album...i'll wait until may.

[DirtyBanana]

when commenting on the soundquality, you have to keep in mind that it's indeed a leak encoded in a lossy format and the actual disc will sound much better.
.

320 KPS is bad quality?

[Strife21]

Yea but ACC usually tends to sound as good as high bit rate mp3s or better. Either way I love the album so I will be happy either way but I sure would love to see a dual disc.

[evrenseven]

There's been talk that this album "feels shorter" than Lateralus. That's becuse it is... it's 76 minutes and take away viginti tres, lipan conjuring and lost keys, we're looking at 66 minutes roughly. Lateralus was what, 88 minutes? and it had much shorter interludes that were also more relevant to the music (eon blue melding into Patient, mantra into Schism, etc..)

So I am not dismissive of the rumors of a double album with more music, but the idea that the other disc is simply a DVD- audio format is much more plausible.

Basically, Lateralus was an opus, it's hard to top or even match that. I think we should be happy with what we have.

[Strife21]

Well the interludes on 10,000 days are completely stupid if you ask me. There really arent enough songs on the album even though the songs on there are long. There needed to be more variety rather then wasting space on the cd with interludes. Mind you the songs that are on there all rock. At least the interludes and stuff on lateralus were more revlelant to the music so I didnt mind it as much.

[azatoth]

320 KPS is bad quality?

the original leak was 192kbps AAC, ripped with iTunes. If you have a 320kbps MP3 rip, it would mean it's a transcode, and this would further compress the music.

edit: well, not directly compress the music, but it would be transcoded and this will result in even more loss. AAC and iTunes aren't that great of a combination when it comes to encoding CDs.

my 2 cent.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Well I tend to believe this is a possiblity. With the new lightscribe technology and everything Alex Grey could very possibly do some art on the actual disc and still have it play on both sides.

The more I listen to the leak and listen to the production quality and compare it to that of lateralus the more I think it kinda sounds muffled a bit and unclear at times. When I listen to Lateralus the vocals are crisp and clear and I can here every little bit of the instruments in each song. I have a very high quality sound system in my car and maybe thats the reason I can see the difference.


Hmm wouldnt having a dual sided disc bring a similarity to all that stereoscopic stuff like seeing two images in one?

Haven't you paid any attention to reviews? The idea was to intentionally make his voice sound more like one of the instruments to equal out all sounds within te musics compared to past records. I personally love "supposed" album I now have but, another one on top of that would be that much better.

[vampgod]

Haven't you paid any attention to reviews? The idea was to intentionally make his voice sound more like one of the instruments to equal out all sounds within te musics compared to past records. I personally love "supposed" album I now have but, another one on top of that would be that much better.

I concur, read Guitar World's interview with Adam, read any legitimate review of the album ( they all bring up the same lyrics and talk about how there are re hashings of old tool parts throughout as a reminder), this is the real deal, if anyone seriously deeply believes otherwise then I imagine you'll be disappointed the day it drops. What does it say in the forum? "Anyone posting links to leaked material will be banned.", now, why would they ban someone for posting a link to a "decoy" album? Think things through and read between the lines, because it's possible there is something that has been forgotten, missed, overlooked within the words of newsletters and interviews. I happen to love this record, enough to not bash it and still buy the physical copy the day it drops. It is heavier as well, not necessarily musically but ambiently, emotionally, it's down right suffocating. So you have 2 options, you can think about my post and decide for yourself or you can curse me of and tell me to shove it and all manner of language under the sun. Choose carefully.

[ScarletLetterMan]

The only thing that leads me to believe there may be more is something that was mentioned in Kabir's review. He said at the end of his impromptu listening session that he did not get to hear Viginti Tres, but was told that it was another segue. Now, doesn't segue mean that it is supposed to "segue into" something else? Maybe Viginti Tres segues into whatever may be on the other disc/other side of the disc. I could be, and probably am, wrong, but Viginti Tres definitely sounded like something was supposed to happen after the end, and in my opinion was a terrible way to end the album if there is nothing else coming.

[clayton9610]

Nice zeroth post.

[Strife21]

Well the instruments even sound muffled to me. The whole thing sounds like poor quality regardless I hope it sounds crisper when i buy it.

[Vianney]

The only thing that leads me to believe there may be more is something that was mentioned in Kabir's review. He said at the end of his impromptu listening session that he did not get to hear Viginti Tres, but was told that it was another segue. Now, doesn't segue mean that it is supposed to "segue into" something else? Maybe Viginti Tres segues into whatever may be on the other disc/other side of the disc. I could be, and probably am, wrong, but Viginti Tres definitely sounded like something was supposed to happen after the end, and in my opinion was a terrible way to end the album if there is nothing else coming.

sounds like someone misused the word "segue" more than anything, but who knows

[waffel]

10,000 days as it is now is awesome.

[question93]

Well the instruments even sound muffled to me. The whole thing sounds like poor quality regardless I hope it sounds crisper when i buy it.

LOLOLOOL

POOR QUALITY?

Wow.

This is one of the best recordings I've heard in a long time. The quality of this album is YEARS beyond Lateralus. And I'm listening to it on Mackie HR-824s. These aren't shitty speakers by any means.

[placidium]

10,000 days is possibly tool's best album to date. more would make probably it definite, even if the second disc is just a surround-sound version.

[Strife21]

I beg to differ the highs are terrible

[Strife21]

Im listening to them on Focals and MB Quart components

[ghettomuffin]

The rumors of a fake album and a double album has spread like fire. No matter what happens, the "10,000 Days I have listened to is indeed different but also a step further into the evolution of Tool. I recall when Lateralus hit, people were debating the same thing. "Tool's too wierd now", "It sux", ect. BUT, years later, many(including myself) hold Lateralus as one of the best albums of all time. I can't say I love the new album, but I can say I know I will. Oh, and just a heads up, Target.com has posted two versions of 10,000 Days for release on their website. The first is May 2nd, followed by a "Double-Disk" on May 16th.

[dwohlfahrt]

Oh, and just a heads up, Target.com has posted two versions of 10,000 Days for release on their website. The first is May 2nd, followed by a "Double-Disk" on May 16th.

Well, i certainly don't see it listed as a "Double-Disk", but there is a copy of 10,000 Days listed to be released May 16th for $26.49. And then, if you look further down the list, you'll see Lateralus, Aenima, and Undertow as May 16th releases as well, all listed at the same price ($26.49). What the hell is this all about?

[dwohlfahrt]

Ok, scratch all that. I looked more closely at the May 16th, $26.49 version and it's format is "Import", which explains the price difference.

But still, why are all retailers selling ridiculously expensive Import versions of these records when they're all available domestically?

[spunkwater]

two thoughts came to my ind after several listens straight through the album: either there was a double disc, or that they leaked the wrong track list, which at least makes the release date a little more interesting. i agree that it'd be ridiculous if the leaked album was a hoax. i think it's slightly more plausible that it's the first part of a double album. i also think it could be that a double album's worth of music was recorded but the second won't be released for a few months.

regardless, may 2 will (hopefully) tell all.

[question93]

Im listening to them on Focals and MB Quart components

You're listening on Quarts? There's your problem ;)

[chodaboy]

As stated in another thread.

My brother works at Best Buy. He stated that there are 350 copies of 10,000 Days on order. It gives the same UPC code that matches in the UPC database on the internet. It also says 1 CD. Although the CD case is half an inch thick. A regular one is only a little over a quarter of an inch. Could be because of the Digipak.

I am in the diversion camp. What was leaked is not to be taken seriously. I think there is much more to this whole thing, just to screw with there fans.

[question93]

As stated in another thread.

My brother works at Best Buy. He stated that there are 350 copies of 10,000 Days on order. It gives the same UPC code that matches in the UPC database on the internet. It also says 1 CD. Although the CD case is half an inch thick. A regular one is only a little over a quarter of an inch. Could be because of the Digipak.

I am in the diversion camp. What was leaked is not to be taken seriously. I think there is much more to this whole thing, just to screw with there fans.

With a play time of around 76 minutes? They could get maybe 3 more minutes of music on there?

[dim my eyes]

when was the last time you bought a double album for $10.00?

[Zeus]

when was the last time you bought a double album for $10.00?


Use Your Illusion I & II

[Elgyn]

I concur, read Guitar World's interview with Adam, read any legitimate review of the album ( they all bring up the same lyrics and talk about how there are re hashings of old tool parts throughout as a reminder), this is the real deal, if anyone seriously deeply believes otherwise then I imagine you'll be disappointed the day it drops.
Adam mentioned a track called "Those Shoes" in the Guitar World interview... I don't know what to make of that. He's talking about the talkbox solo, which most poeple are associating with Jambi. I've never heard a talkbox before so I don't know if that's it... sounds like a funky wah-wah peddle.

[Darkmoogle]

Adam mentioned a track called "Those Shoes" in the Guitar World interview... I don't know what to make of that. He's talking about the talkbox solo, which most poeple are associating with Jambi. I've never heard a talkbox before so I don't know if that's it... sounds like a funky wah-wah peddle.

NO

THAT WAS A GOD DAMN EAGLES SONG

STOP BEING DUMB OR YOU GET THE BELT

[Elgyn]

NO

THAT WAS A GOD DAMN EAGLES SONG

STOP BEING DUMB OR YOU GET THE BELT
Ok, well the quote is:

Adam: "I think the Talk Box on [the 10,000 days track] "Those Shoes" is really amazing, especially how the harmonies are in each speaker."

So the editor made a mistake hey?

No need to be a dick.

I just listened to "Those Shoes"... Adam's obviously talking about the Eagles track, not the 10,000 Days track as the interviewer seems to have thought.

[Bogart]

STOP BEING DUMB OR YOU GET THE BELT

I used to get the belt....

[unfnknblvbl]

There's been talk that this album "feels shorter" than Lateralus. That's becuse it is... it's 76 minutes and take away viginti tres, lipan conjuring and lost keys, we're looking at 66 minutes roughly. Lateralus was what, 88 minutes? and it had much shorter interludes that were also more relevant to the music (eon blue melding into Patient, mantra into Schism, etc..)

Lateralus was 78 Minutes. 88 Minutes would be very difficult to fit on a commercial CD.

[HolyReality]

Lateralus was 78 Minutes. 88 Minutes would be very difficult to fit on a commercial CD.
it would be impossible. a cd can only hold 80 minutes. and take away all the filler on lateralus, then how long is it? probably about the same as 10,000 days....

[heavensblade23]

You can make a CD up to 99 minutes, the only problem is that it won't play on many CD players. CDs that are over 74 minutes won't play on the oldest players.

[BlueSecondSun]

LOLOLOOL

POOR QUALITY?

Wow.

This is one of the best recordings I've heard in a long time. The quality of this album is YEARS beyond Lateralus. And I'm listening to it on Mackie HR-824s. These aren't shitty speakers by any means.


That's exactly what I've been listening this album through as well. Man, I love my good ol HR-824's. Such clarity.

[ethos]

LOLOLOOL

POOR QUALITY?

Wow.

This is one of the best recordings I've heard in a long time. The quality of this album is YEARS beyond Lateralus. And I'm listening to it on Mackie HR-824s. These aren't shitty speakers by any means.

It is poor quality you shithead. I don't care what headphones you have, it's a BAD rip that was upsampled for no fucking reason. The original is a 192 AAC rip using iTunes. It has nothing to do with HOW It was recorded. The quality is shit because of the way it was ripped.

God.



P.S.
10,000 Days sucks

[imatoolhed]

let me make this 100% clear:

IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE AUTHENTIC, AND THE MUSIC DOES, IN FACT, NOT SUCK ASS, I AM GOING TO PUSH MY PENIS VERY, VERY DEEP INTO THE HOLE IN YOUR ASS AND COMMENCE HAVING SEX WITH IT.


and i am in no way kidding.what's the differance between pink and purple?...the grip.
TOOL LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imatoolhed]

let me make this 100% clear:

IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE AUTHENTIC, AND THE MUSIC DOES, IN FACT, NOT SUCK ASS, I AM GOING TO PUSH MY PENIS VERY, VERY DEEP INTO THE HOLE IN YOUR ASS AND COMMENCE HAVING SEX WITH IT.


and i am in no way kidding.what's the differance between pink and purple?...the grip.
TOOL LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bonch]

It is poor quality you shithead. I don't care what headphones you have, it's a BAD rip that was upsampled for no fucking reason. The original is a 192 AAC rip using iTunes. It has nothing to do with HOW It was recorded. The quality is shit because of the way it was ripped.


How is 192 AAC a bad rip? That's the equivalent of about a 220kpbs MP3. "Upsampled," huh? I don't think you even know what you're talking about or what that means.

There's nothing "shit" about the quality at all. You just don't like the album and are taking it out on others.

[ethos]

How is 192 AAC a bad rip? That's the equivalent of about a 220kpbs MP3. "Upsampled," huh? I don't think you even know what you're talking about or what that means.

There's nothing "shit" about the quality at all. You just don't like the album and are taking it out on others.

Umm, no it's bad quality. Hence the extra dead space at the end of each track, and compare the tracks to Vicarious. It is upsampled you dolt, if you DO NOT know what that means don't just assume I am making shit up. Do your research. The quality is shit. It sounds bad to the ear. It is a bad rip because iTunes is a HORRIBLE encoder, and the iTunes used was 4.9, not verison 6. Even worse.

Don't speak and act as if you know two shits about what you're talking about. Gtfo.



Silly plug: visit HydrogenAudio.org for more information regarding rips and all sorts audiophile goodness.

[knot0fvipers]

LOLOLOOL

POOR QUALITY?

Wow.

This is one of the best recordings I've heard in a long time. The quality of this album is YEARS beyond Lateralus. And I'm listening to it on Mackie HR-824s. These aren't shitty speakers by any means.

I also have HR-824s and your ears are broken if you cant hear that the Pot has shitty production compared to Vicarious.

[Strife21]

I agree comparing any of those songs to vicarious they arent up to par in production quality.

[Reflection]

10,000 Days & 10,000 Years (2nd part of the album, the years to difference)...
Where 2 * 7 on the 5
Maybe...Who knows...Let's pray...

[Cemetery Shindig]

Umm, no it's bad quality. Hence the extra dead space at the end of each track, and compare the tracks to Vicarious. It is upsampled you dolt, if you DO NOT know what that means don't just assume I am making shit up. Do your research. The quality is shit. It sounds bad to the ear. It is a bad rip because iTunes is a HORRIBLE encoder, and the iTunes used was 4.9, not verison 6. Even worse.

Don't speak and act as if you know two shits about what you're talking about. Gtfo.



Silly plug: visit HydrogenAudio.org for more information regarding rips and all sorts audiophile goodness.

Turn up your speakers. There's not really silence at the end of the tracks, no more than a couple seconds. There is very faint audio playing usually. Either way, silence wouldn't indicate a lack of quality in any case. Silence is silence, dumbass. Upsampling would be increasing the sample rate, in Hz, of the wave. I found a discussion about this practice on the website you provided. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=43157&hl=upsample
There's a link. Basically, it's explained that when converting digital audio from a lower sample rate to a higher one, upsampling does result in a loss of quality, but that it's so minute that the human ear would never be able to detect a difference. Also, you don't have any reference point, do you? What're you comparing it to? Their other albums? They were done by a different engineer in different studios. You don't have the real CD thus you have no way of knowing what, if anything, was done to the audio.

[Neel]

Maybe the second disc is Guns N' Roses "Chinese Democracy".

[ethos]

Turn up your speakers. There's not really silence at the end of the tracks, no more than a couple seconds. There is very faint audio playing usually. Either way, silence wouldn't indicate a lack of quality in any case. Silence is silence, dumbass. Upsampling would be increasing the sample rate, in Hz, of the wave. I found a discussion about this practice on the website you provided. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=43157&hl=upsample
There's a link. Basically, it's explained that when converting digital audio from a lower sample rate to a higher one, upsampling does result in a loss of quality, but that it's so minute that the human ear would never be able to detect a difference. Also, you don't have any reference point, do you? What're you comparing it to? Their other albums? They were done by a different engineer in different studios. You don't have the real CD thus you have no way of knowing what, if anything, was done to the audio.


Umm, I made it clear. I am comparing it to the earlier leak of Vicarious. Kthx.

[ethos]

And I am right, there's just DEAD SPACE at the end of every track. No sound. Hence why Lost Keys does not go into Rosetta Stoned, and so forth. So you must have an edited version, or some shitty transcode.

The last TWO seconds of every track from the ORIGINAL leak have dead space. This has been discussed quite a bit on other forums, so yah. You're wrong.

[Cemetery Shindig]

And I am right, there's just DEAD SPACE at the end of every track. No sound. Hence why Lost Keys does not go into Rosetta Stoned, and so forth. So you must have an edited version, or some shitty transcode.

The last TWO seconds of every track from the ORIGINAL leak have dead space. This has been discussed quite a bit on other forums, so yah. You're wrong.

That's not abnormal. Unless you're playing the actual cd where they've specifically edited out the silences between tracks, your player will insert space.

[comatose]

Im listening to them on Focals and MB Quart components

I'm looking at my shit thru a microscope and its still shit.
I dont remember eating korn, what a disappointment.

[niyaz]

let's not hope the disc is a dual disc because that style of disc has trouble ripping onto computers for those of us who are ipod addicted. additionally, if you go to the tool hotline (tool hotline on yahoo), there are pictures of the actual album up. somebody had posted that alex gray said the artwork is something that nobody else has tried and he's right. 10,000 days looks like a digipak, except it opens horizontally in the middle. the eyes on the face seem to act as a viewing lens of sorts, which i would imagine do something very cool with the album's artwork.

and the cd is eon's past lateralus. the music is far denser, a bit more experimental and a totally winding adventure. anybody who thinks this isn't the real record is not very smart.

[hayne]

If there was anymore material on the disc, it would have leaked out by now, and we would listening to it. full stop.
There is no way that god himslef could keep this quite till 9 days (less in some countries) before the release. Thats it.

unless tool release something else in like a couple months that hasn't yet been put into production...

[ethos]

That's not abnormal. Unless you're playing the actual cd where they've specifically edited out the silences between tracks, your player will insert space.


Umm, no.

[JShaney]

I agree that it is strange that Kabir didn't actually hear viginti tres, but that it was a segue.

I can say with certainty that this means 10000 Days is really a 23-disc Album.

I don't have proof, but my friend Jonis Pergatory told me this is true....so you all can trust him!

[Grimace]

Use Your Illusion I & II

haha, the intro to rosetta stoned, with the doctor and nurse talking, reminds me of coma everytime

zap the son a bitch again!

[cosmokramer]

when was the last time you bought a double album for $10.00?

I actually bought the smashing pumpkins- mellon chollie and the infinite sadness for 5 bucks. yes!
anyways, your right double disc albums are usually like 20 bucks.

[ruiner4482]

That's not abnormal. Unless you're playing the actual cd where they've specifically edited out the silences between tracks, your player will insert space.

You're don't know much about ripping, encoding, transcoding, or any of that stuff. Itunes = shitty encoder. EAC for rips, LAME for encode, anything other than that really isn't gonna be of a good quality. Transcoding = bad, don't ever do it because you lose even more through all the transfers that get done. The album was a shitty rip, and encode that's why it doesn't sound all that great, no matter what headphones you listen to it on. If you think it sounds good with great headphones you don't really know what good sound is and you think it sounds likeomfgbadass cause I have 10000 million dolloar headphones.

[ethos]

You're don't know much about ripping, encoding, transcoding, or any of that stuff. Itunes = shitty encoder. EAC for rips, LAME for encode, anything other than that really isn't gonna be of a good quality. Transcoding = bad, don't ever do it because you lose even more through all the transfers that get done. The album was a shitty rip, and encode that's why it doesn't sound all that great, no matter what headphones you listen to it on. If you think it sounds good with great headphones you don't really know what good sound is and you think it sounds likeomfgbadass cause I have 10000 million dolloar headphones.

Quoted because he's right! :)

[Dungflowers]

I know for a fact that the $26 version will be 5 channel DVD audio on one side and the regular CD on the other.

How do I know?

Because I don't.

[Howard]

Well if this is true then that means I'm only paying 8 pound for a double cd album...which isn't really believable.

Exactly, and everybody here should know that TOOL really love money, and they would never release a double-disc with a fucking badass booklet with lens and everything for just 8/9 shitty dollars, people here seems to have lost their sense of reality x)

[Tachyon]

If there was anymore material on the disc, it would have leaked out by now, and we would listening to it. full stop.
There is no way that god himslef could keep this quite till 9 days (less in some countries) before the release. Thats it.

unless tool release something else in like a couple months that hasn't yet been put into production...
Dude, have you already seen a leaked version of Stadium Arcadium? (RHCP) That´s due on may 6. I think they could control prevention of leaks if they want. I dont know how tight security is at the cd-making-factories though

[shaolin]

The more I listen to the leak and listen to the production quality and compare it to that of lateralus the more I think it kinda sounds muffled a bit and unclear at times. When I listen to Lateralus the vocals are crisp and clear and I can here every little bit of the instruments in each song. I have a very high quality sound system in my car and maybe thats the reason I can see the difference.



I agree with you.. Mayby the leaked version isnt completely mixed. If it hasnt been mixed properly the retail just might contain stuff that isnt on the leak :-). But most likely the leak is just a bad rip.. Can't wait to get a hold of the real deal!

[idontmind462]

The CD is almost 80 minutes long... CDs can't be longer than 80 minutes.

[Ulukai]

The CD+DVD that is going to be out on may 16th has nothing to do with 10,000

[jackfriday]

Maybe the second disc is Guns N' Roses "Chinese Democracy".

ROFLCOPTERS and whatnot.

[knot0fvipers]

The album was a shitty rip, and encode that's why it doesn't sound all that great, no matter what headphones you listen to it on. If you think it sounds good with great headphones you don't really know what good sound is and you think it sounds likeomfgbadass cause I have 10000 million dolloar headphones.

there is a huge difference though between the sound a bad rip and the sound of poorly produced music. The encoder didnt go through and randomly make vicarious sound crystal clear with awesome production, turn the guitars up to much in right in two, turn the bass up way to much in some songs, then some songs sound like the mix is done but bob ludwig just hadnt got to them yet.

If this is not a fake the only thing that I think could account for this is that vicarious was pushed ahead production wise to be finished first because it was the single, then someone ripped what was a promo where the other tracks had not been totally done being produced yet. I find it hard to believe though that tool would be sending out unfinished production wise promo disks.

It would be odd if there was other music coming out that it has not been ripped yet but the same logic applies to why we dont have a proper 320k LAME encoded rip or an ISO/wav rip of whatever disk the itunes encoded rip came from.

[PoonTaco]

There's been talk that this album "feels shorter" than Lateralus. That's becuse it is... it's 76 minutes and take away viginti tres, lipan conjuring and lost keys, we're looking at 66 minutes roughly. Lateralus was what, 88 minutes? and it had much shorter interludes that were also more relevant to the music (eon blue melding into Patient, mantra into Schism, etc..)

So I am not dismissive of the rumors of a double album with more music, but the idea that the other disc is simply a DVD- audio format is much more plausible.

Basically, Lateralus was an opus, it's hard to top or even match that. I think we should be happy with what we have.

You're stupid.

[GradyWhite]

hey guys i find this interesting
http://theninhotline.net/toolnews/archives/news.images/vpromo_inside.jpg
and
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/wadestrong/toolcdcaseinsides.jpg

2 different cd covers.hmm maybe it is a double disc

[Nietzsche's Dead]

What I would like you to do, is prove that you aint some fucked up lurker with 1 post, and make us all very happy my making a whole nother post to move your grand total to 2, by adding a link to a source, and make us all very happy people.

actually, doesnt the fact that he is a lurker with only 1 post make his statement more credible in this situation? kinda like - he made an account just so he could let us in on some information, in hopes of calming people down?

[Nietzsche's Dead]

hey guys i find this interesting
http://theninhotline.net/toolnews/archives/news.images/vpromo_inside.jpg
and
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/wadestrong/toolcdcaseinsides.jpg

2 different cd covers.hmm maybe it is a double disc

no - the first picture is of the Vicarious single that went out to radiostations. But that is the first time I saw the actual disc , the second picture (though i had already seen the unique packaging), and its absolutely beautiful :D. so thanks for the link ;)

[puns]

hey guys i find this interesting
http://theninhotline.net/toolnews/archives/news.images/vpromo_inside.jpg
and
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/wadestrong/toolcdcaseinsides.jpg

2 different cd covers.hmm maybe it is a double disc

1st link is vicarious promo cd cover

2nd link looks quite genuine to me ...
great find if it is the real cd cover ... from where you got this ?

[Masses]

actually, doesnt the fact that he is a lurker with only 1 post make his statement more credible in this situation? kinda like - he made an account just so he could let us in on some information, in hopes of calming people down?

kinda like he's some regular's alter ego. or he only associates with the rumours forum.

[GradyWhite]

it was in a thread on the tooltabs.net website

http://www.tooltabs.net/forum_two/viewtopic.php?t=2976

[chalk_line]

it was in a thread on the tooltabs.net website

http://www.tooltabs.net/forum_two/viewtopic.php?t=2976

thats some funny shiot, nice find

[gem_37]

I hope it's a double disc! Maybe the leak was all their shitty music and the better stuff is still to come!

DUde if the leak was their shitty suff then i dont want to know what the album sounds like ... its gonna kick seriouse toggas....

[gem_37]

one disc :)

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=1685%3b1%3b-1%3b-1&sku=401043

[idontmind462]

CDs can't be more than 80 minutes! Lateralus was not 88 minutes!

It's like 78:58.

[day_for_night]

the original leak was 192kbps AAC, ripped with iTunes. If you have a 320kbps MP3 rip, it would mean it's a transcode, and this would further compress the music.

edit: well, not directly compress the music, but it would be transcoded and this will result in even more loss. AAC and iTunes aren't that great of a combination when it comes to encoding CDs.

my 2 cent.


actually, the rip was completely shit quality.

This rip was done in iTunes... using an old version, with an old version of Quicktime. Then for some reason it was re-encoded and the genius who did it also upsampled from 44.1 khz to 48 khz (why iTunes lets you do this is beyond me). So now you get all sorts of distortions on the low end which REALLY sucks because there is a lot of kick-ass bass on this CD. Then there are the two second gaps between tracks which totaly screws the intended seamless segues of a few of the tracks. Unfortuatly, I don't think the vocals will have much more clarity on the legit disc, since most of the reviews I've read say that Maynard toned them down a bit so the rest of the band gets just as much attention.

[gem_37]

1st link is vicarious promo cd cover

2nd link looks quite genuine to me ...
great find if it is the real cd cover ... from where you got this ?

Ist one looks more genuine to me... why would tool use old artwork from alex grey ? anyone who is an alex grey fan would have seen those immages 10000 times. Tool are and always will be alot more original than that.

[TyGold]

No disrespect to alex grey, but all his stuff looks very similar, so I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually what the cd looks like.

[piddefull]

I know for a fact that the $26 version will be 5 channel DVD audio on one side and the regular CD on the other.

How do I know?

Because I don't.

i would pay 40$ for a dvd 5.1 version from tool of this album. If it would be anything like the mix of "growing up" by peter gabriel on the play the videos dvd i would never leave my living room again. (unfortunatly the rest of the UP album is only available in SACD5.1)
as far as quality.. i am sure the cd will be cleaner and clearer, but mistakes can be made during mixdown, an example would be vapor trails by rush, good album, horrible muddy mix though. probally only sounds good on the system it was mixed on, as it is a for shit mix IMO on any stereo or device i have listgened to it on.(the actual cd)

[Shpongleyes]

OK EVERYONE LISTEN UP!!!

I have the album. not the leak, but the version FOR SALE in the US. I paid for it in a music store, and have listened to the entire actual CD. There is only ONE cd, but the artwork is pretty darned cool. Collective Vision by Alex Grey is on the cd, and there is more of his art inside.... i'm not gonna get too in depth, but unless there is another version coming out, THIS is the one that will be in every store in the country in a week or so. I downloaded the leaked version and have compared the two, and the cd version sounds much better, but i really don't hear a ridiculous difference other than the pauses between tracks aren't there now and the like.....

FYI y'all...

~Matt

[Artistic Sickness]

this is where you show proof.

I can Fly

See? I can do it too.

[caliphornia]

OK EVERYONE LISTEN UP!!!

I have the album. not the leak, but the version FOR SALE in the US. I paid for it in a music store, and have listened to the entire actual CD. There is only ONE cd, but the artwork is pretty darned cool. Collective Vision by Alex Grey is on the cd, and there is more of his art inside.... i'm not gonna get too in depth, but unless there is another version coming out, THIS is the one that will be in every store in the country in a week or so. I downloaded the leaked version and have compared the two, and the cd version sounds much better, but i really don't hear a ridiculous difference other than the pauses between tracks aren't there now and the like.....

FYI y'all...

~Matt

you have the album FOR SALE in the US? dude, it has not released yet ANYWHERE, and unless you are the guy who illegally stole the copy and burned it onto the net, you're going to have to show proof.

[Artistic Sickness]

you have the album FOR SALE in the US? dude, it has not released yet ANYWHERE, and unless you are the guy who illegally stole the copy and burned it onto the net, you're going to have to show proof.

and if he IS the dude who stole the CD and leaked it.. and if the leaked copy IS the real copy... then im gonna stick my lateralus up his aenima.

[4cefed4]

hey guys i find this interesting
http://theninhotline.net/toolnews/archives/news.images/vpromo_inside.jpg
and
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/wadestrong/toolcdcaseinsides.jpg

2 different cd covers.hmm maybe it is a double disc

Someone pointed out on a VW forum that if you look at that 2nd pic of the 10,000 Days album, you can see the one CD in the holder, and also what looks like the back of a 2nd CD all the way over to the right in the pic.

[Liam]

shut up.

[smk4813]

I've heard a lot about this....

Even the local radio stations have picked up on the unconfirmed rumor that it might be a double album which would nice, preferrably with some live material maybe from Lateralus or something.

[Hilikus]

Someone pointed out on a VW forum that if you look at that 2nd pic of the 10,000 Days album, you can see the one CD in the holder, and also what looks like the back of a 2nd CD all the way over to the right in the pic.


i see what you're talking about, and it does look like another cd. the light reflects off of it like its the back. (possibly?) good find

[talibad]

i got more pics in my myspace www.myspace.com/mindash. full view of the cd and all. and the local record store confirmed for me its a single cd and ive known those guys for years

[allusion7.0]

I concur, read Guitar World's interview with Adam, read any legitimate review of the album ( they all bring up the same lyrics and talk about how there are re hashings of old tool parts throughout as a reminder), this is the real deal, if anyone seriously deeply believes otherwise then I imagine you'll be disappointed the day it drops. What does it say in the forum? "Anyone posting links to leaked material will be banned.", now, why would they ban someone for posting a link to a "decoy" album? Think things through and read between the lines, because it's possible there is something that has been forgotten, missed, overlooked within the words of newsletters and interviews. I happen to love this record, enough to not bash it and still buy the physical copy the day it drops. It is heavier as well, not necessarily musically but ambiently, emotionally, it's down right suffocating. So you have 2 options, you can think about my post and decide for yourself or you can curse me of and tell me to shove it and all manner of language under the sun. Choose carefully.
maybe they would do that to make you think that the album was real. I'm still undecided on the whole thing but we'll find out on May 2nd unless you're fucking australian.

[allusion7.0]

The only thing that leads me to believe there may be more is something that was mentioned in Kabir's review. He said at the end of his impromptu listening session that he did not get to hear Viginti Tres, but was told that it was another segue. Now, doesn't segue mean that it is supposed to "segue into" something else? Maybe Viginti Tres segues into whatever may be on the other disc/other side of the disc. I could be, and probably am, wrong, but Viginti Tres definitely sounded like something was supposed to happen after the end, and in my opinion was a terrible way to end the album if there is nothing else coming.
yeah well he also said that he'd forgot to mention that he'd listened to it. What the fuck. this is the high point of the fucking year.