Wondering why?

[Rosetta Stoned]

I'm wondering why the band chose to include parts of older songs in this recording? Rosetta Stoned to me is a joke song. Now, don't get me wrong, I like it, but still....i've never in my life heard a band copy themselves so intentionaly. It's going to be interesting to hear the band explain why they did this.

I hear another flashback in "Right in Two." Pushit from salival....another cut and paste job...

weird. but why the fuck would they do that?!?!?!? 0_o

[Vegama]

Can you prove to me that it's as cut and paste as you say, and if you can, can you tell me why it wouldn't be a great idea to take highlights from previous albums and mix them with new material and make something entirely new and awesome from it all?

[Rosetta Stoned]

Can you prove to me that it's as cut and paste as you say, and if you can, can you tell me why it wouldn't be a great idea to take highlights from previous albums and mix them with new material and make something entirely new and awesome from it all?

i shouldn't have to prove anything. listen to the song, then tell me that you can't hear previous songs copied. more than half of the song is taking directly from older songs.

lets just say that i'm skeptical about this being the real deal.

it might be a cool thing to take parts from previous material....but have you ever heard a band do that before? we've always known that tool never does the same thing over again.

i believe that tool knew that a leak would occur, so they gave the decoy to the press, and released it. who knows.

...maybe...maybe not? maybe there is a reason for the flashbacks...?

[KFJ]

Makes perfect sense to me to include flashbacks to previous songs when the subject matter indicates some kind of LSD trip gone wrong. (talking about this particular song only)

[Rosetta Stoned]

Makes perfect sense to me to include flashbacks to previous songs when the subject matter indicates some kind of LSD trip gone wrong. (talking about this particular song only)

okay, that still doesn't answer my question about the inclusion of a certain part of a certain salival track during 'right in two'...

[Rosetta Stoned]

There is no other Tool song in this song. Period.

...alright...keep on saying that...

[hbynoe]

i definitely heard things i have heard before from older tool work...and i think this song
is fucking perfect to express it in...a fucking bad acid trip
where all this shit comes back pouring in on you
what can do you but
take it in..and let it out

[Bob_Marley_Wannabe]

There is no other Tool song in this song. Period.


quoted for truth

[KFJ]

H. is definitely in this song.

[Narcasist]

If you want people to believe you, you should probably give, you know, actually proof, as in what spots, and what songs you hear at them.

[praefector]

theres another thread about this

IMO the song is an acid flashback and having pieces that sound like bits of other albums, as well as the lyrical content and cadence, contributes to this feeling.

BUT

if you notice each familiar piece is a little different...the third eye riff that shows up is the same progression but in a different time sig.

the H part has more effects and generally sounds more weighty

anyone who has had an acid flashback before knows what im talking about, you remember bits and pieces but they all seem strangely different than they did when you first experienced them.

[QuantumMind]

I love this song but you have to admit that at 2:57 that is the 'almost' exact riff from third eye is used. It is not exact because in third eye that riff was played in 6/4 (or 12/4 depending on how many times you count the riff) and on this song it is played in 11/4 because they left out the last note.

[ljasonl]

can you tell me why it wouldn't be a great idea to take highlights from previous albums and mix them with new material and make something entirely new and awesome from it all?

Using old stuff to help interpret new, making a rosetta stone of sorts?
HMMMMMM........

For the life of me I can't figure out why this song kicks so much ass

[voleurz]

.... but why the fuck would they do that?!?!?!? 0_o
because stone cold says so!

[Dredg]

The only part that saves this song is at 7:05..... other wise this is just recycled Third Eye.


It is funny when the band says "this is our best album to date" and then all the little Tool fanboys come to the forums like "This song made me splooge".. "I actually shed a tear"

[placidium]

this song is gorgeous. i won't hold that one riff against them just because it sounds like third eye.

Lateralus's riff was a cut and paste job.

[Dredg]

this song is gorgeous. i won't hold that one riff against them just because it sounds like third eye.

Lateralus's riff was a cut and paste job.


cut and paste job from whaT? please actually post something worth while so we dont have to keep posting. You should of wrote WHY the riff was a cut and paste job with specific times and comparitive songs....come on lets get a move on...

[ljasonl]

The only part that saves this song is at 7:05..... other wise this is just recycled Third Eye.


It is funny when the band says "this is our best album to date" and then all the little Tool fanboys come to the forums like "This song made me splooge".. "I actually shed a tear"

It helps that this really is their best album to date though

[placidium]

listen to the final riff in part 1 of lateralus. 0-10-12

then listen to Aenema.

the riff on rosetta stoned is like the one on third eye, but the notes are different.

[Dredg]

It helps that this really is their best album to date though


i cant really imagine or think how recycled riffs from previous albums can be considered their best work.

[ArizonaBay]

I'm wondering why the band chose to include parts of older songs in this recording? Rosetta Stoned to me is a joke song. Now, don't get me wrong, I like it, but still....i've never in my life heard a band copy themselves so intentionaly. It's going to be interesting to hear the band explain why they did this.

I hear another flashback in "Right in Two." Pushit from salival....another cut and paste job...

weird. but why the fuck would they do that?!?!?!? 0_o

Because its fake. Its not just one riff on this song there is ALOT

[placidium]

okay, so let's say they stole the 2 schsim riffs for Vicarious (which consists of about 10 others) and the third eye riff for rosetta stoned. some say they used H. in Rosetta stoned, but I don't think so at all.

so that's 4 riffs that sound like old ones, at most. goddamn this album is a total rehash.

[Dredg]

okay, so let's say they stole the 2 schsim riffs for Vicarious (which consists of about 10 others) and the third eye riff for rosetta stoned. some say they used H. in Rosetta stoned, but I don't think so at all.

so that's 4 riffs that sound like old ones, at most. goddamn this album is a total rehash.


I dont really hear H in Rosetta stoned at all. however, who knows what their goals for this album were? It is pretty easy to take advantage of the average listener and just recycle a bunch of what people came to love in previous albums. They just have to hype it up by saying it is their best album. Most of their fans will think this is true and when the album is released they are programmed with nothing else but to think this is their best album.

To me, this is more of a B sides album (nonetheless a good B-sides album); however, when a bunch of screaming retarded fans say shit like "this is the best album" and "it made me splooge" it only makes it worse.

[acsguitar]

I heard TOOL uses a Drop D tunning in this song too. Obviously they are copying old songs what a bunch of sellouts they shoulda played drop Cb :)

[ljasonl]

i cant really imagine or think how recycled riffs from previous albums can be considered their best work.

I honestly don't see how that matters
They've expanded on their old work. They've taken it to a new level

Nevermind, I don't want to argue about it. I can already see it's going to be like talking to a wall

[Dredg]

I heard TOOL uses a Drop D tunning in this song too. Obviously they are copying old songs what a bunch of sellouts they shoulda played drop Cb :)


maybe they should of because I would hope Adam would figure out that he may of used up all of his drop D skills/riffs

[ArizonaBay]

On this song there is also the samples from the background from reflectionand the handclap sounds from the grudge, there was more too but i cant think of them right now.

This song is a joke. Really i cant see how you dont see it, its terrible. I know thats opinion but this song is just a mess of bits of other songs and terrible lyrics and vocals. "I lost my pen, goddamn shit the bed again"

[Dredg]

I honestly don't see how that matters
They've expanded on their old work. They've taken it to a new level

Nevermind, I don't want to argue about it. I can already see it's going to be like talking to a wall


yeah they expanded on their old work. it is called a B-sides album, many bands do that.

[placidium]

terrible vocals? no way. some of his best, imo.

[ArizonaBay]

Listen to his long scream near the end. Its horrible. Listen to the goofy voice he puts on on the shit the bed bit.

[placidium]

the is one of those grin moments for me. and the climax is gut wrenching. the end of the song sounds like something they just tossed in, yeah, as a way of shrugging off the mania from just before. kind of like when someone shrugs off something really deep they just said to break the ice, like "i dunno maybe i'm just stupid lol" without the literal "lawl."

that's just what i think. i really love this song, a lot.

[ljasonl]

To the folks who hate this song:
Have you ever experienced a hard drug trip?

Not once during this entire CD did I think "they ripped that off an old song!"
There are some parts where I hear throwbacks to old stuff, but that's a completely different thing

[ArizonaBay]

^^ No no no. It sounds all trippy because of third eye rip off and the fact it has no structure. I see where you are coming from, but i dont think you are correct.

[ljasonl]

I think this song captures the trip feeling perfectly. Third Eye failed at it
I always thought Third Eye didn't have it quite right but I never realized just how wrong it was till this

[Madrid]

i've never in my life heard a band copy themselves so intentionaly.

Have you ever heard a song with a chorus?

[RosettaStoned]

YOU STOLE MY NICK :(

*I stole it honestly from maynard*

[frosty nugs]

I think it's funny how "right in two" is supposed to be a rip off of pushit just because it contains a tabla solo. There are no other resemblances at all, and there are quite a few other tunes out there with tabla solos in them. Is right in two a rip off of them as well?

[ArizonaBay]

Holy crap, stop it all of you. Take a step back listen to this song again its a piece of shit. Its tool jamming and throwing in their old riffs, its a joke end of story, why cant people see this? Why? *puts head in hands and despairs*

[Jim]

Never heard of a band intentionally copy themselves? I 'm pretty sure that the intro to "Rape Me" is a conscious reference to "Smells Like Teen Spirit". I think I read that in the biography book "Come As You Are". I know I read it somewhere, albiet a long time ago. I'm not going to speculate on the argument that this is what Tool is doing. I just wanted to remind/inform y'all of that true fact with that Nirvana song.
-Jim

[HawkWolf]

You know, I like to complain. A lot. But what exactly is there to prove by going, "I know for a fact that this song is a fake! it's a fake! here are all my reasons why!" ... it ends up being like one of those quackjobs who goes on about how everything's a conspiracy and has reams of paper to prove it, even though it's all just in his crazy head.

Gee, that sounds a little familiar, doesn't it? Crazy guy, conspiracy theories....