decoy CD

[OftenLost]

Seriously, apon further listening, this shit is boring and I find myself always wanting to fast forward. Good game, Tool, now bring on the real shit.

[Ocelot199]

Maybe Tool just kinda sucks now?

I haven't listened to it yet, but people keep saying that it sounds lame... kind of like forced radio-ness or something. It'd be cool if Tool is all "Fooooled you" like from Spaceballs where Dark Helmet pretends to be princess vespa's dad and tricks her into leaving yogurts lair...

I love Spaceballs.

[lachrymotion]

Maybe Tool just kinda sucks now?

I haven't listened to it yet, but people keep saying that it sounds lame... kind of like forced radio-ness or something. It'd be cool if Tool is all "Fooooled you" like from Spaceballs where Dark Helmet pretends to be princess vespa's dad and tricks her into leaving yogurts lair...

I love Spaceballs.
I havent listened yet either...

BUUUUUT

if its anything like Spaceballs I think Ill like it

*VIRGIN ALARM*

[flickted]

LOL... Wooot a bonus disc!!!

I have seen this going on at another board...

Sheep

[awaking]

I think it's awesome. If you're into Tool you should appreciate it. Different strokes for different folks I guess. It kicks ass.. suer you can say it sounds like previous work but at the same time its different. completly different. maybe you should let it grow on you, acctully learn the songs

[disaxiom]

there is just no killing the idea of a decoy album is there? even when we have the damn thing leaked... i bet you still won't believe it even with it in your hands

[Waldo Geraldo Faldo]

honestly,

you have to turn off all the lights, put on some good quality headphones, eliminate all possible distractions, and just let go.

It's paralazing and epic, it truely is.

/attentionspan

[anagram?]

I havent listened yet either...

BUUUUUT

if its anything like Spaceballs I think Ill like it

*VIRGIN ALARM*

We were told to comb the desert so we're combing it.
Found anything yet?
Nothing sir!
How bout you?
Not a thing sir!
What about you guys?
Man, we ain't found shit!

[flickted]

honestly,

you have to turn off all the lights, put on some good quality headphones, eliminate all possible distractions, and just let go.

It's paralazing and epic, it truely is.

/attentionspan
Right on brother

[Ocelot199]

Tool + Mel Brooks = ?

[9th Phoenix]

Yes, this is a decoy just to keep people from figuring out that Maynard is really Tori Amos.

Expect the REAL Tool album to be released on 6/6/6 where Maynard will sing in all his feminine glory with Tool.

[OftenLost]

Come on guys, quit fooling yourselves, this shit is fake.

[Ocelot199]

Yo, Oftenlost: http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=41668


Seems like theres already a following. JOIN BROTHA!

[9th Phoenix]

Some people's states of mind around here are..."interesting."

If you're so in love with Tool that you'd go into a state of denial when you hear 10,000 days and don't like it, maybe you had better take a break from them and listen to another band for a while, ya?

[Ocelot199]

Some people's states of mind around here are..."interesting."

If you're so in love with Tool that you'd go into a state of denial when you hear 10,000 days and don't like it, maybe you had better take a break from them and listen to another band for a while, ya?
Pshh, stop making sense. Thats so last year.

[flickted]

I think tool lyrics from former albums have driven people mad with the "deep thinking"

[disaxiom]

i just want to point out that since tool started giving us information about the new album late last year they haven't said one thing that wasn't true, while you all think everything is fake, absolutely NOTHING has been proven to be false

[F!end]

It's REAL!

[Vicenza]

come on!! this "album" is nothing but a leftover buffet of post Undertow, post Aenima, post Lateralus (read: Vicarious) material. Some of it great (i.e. Jambi, clearly an Aenima track) and well, some of it not so great.

Just listen to each album's influence on each track, and you'll see it too. As for what's to come, I don't know, but it's more than this *oops* oh...., SO surprising leak.

Great b-sides:
Vicarious
Jambi
The Pot

[the mechanic]

I love [...]balls.
z0mg.

STILL GOT IT!

[just simulacra]

www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

check it out. intension-backwards.

[Semp]

Some people's states of mind around here are..."interesting."

If you're so in love with Tool that you'd go into a state of denial when you hear 10,000 days and don't like it, maybe you had better take a break from them and listen to another band for a while, ya?

I recommend Shpongle

[tcM_Emperor]

Seriously, apon further listening, this shit is boring and I find myself always wanting to fast forward. Good game, Tool, now bring on the real shit.

Oh, because you don't like it it MUST be a decoy. What did you want? Lateralus or Aenima 2? Imagine how pissed people would be..

[insaner]

i seriously doubt maynard would mock his mother by putting such a beautiful song about her on some fake album.

[clarity.]

i seriously doubt maynard would mock his mother by putting such a beautiful song about her on some fake album.

good point. at first i thought this was a decoy, but upon reading the lyrics...i don't think they would joke about this stuff.

[tangent]

He sorta named Judith after her though... I will probably be shouted down for saying that *shrugs*

[HolyReality]

anyone who still thinks this is a decoy is a fool (get it?). Every track here is epic, listen to it, learn it....it's some great shit. seriously.

[HolyReality]

i seriously doubt maynard would mock his mother by putting such a beautiful song about her on some fake album.
exactly. the song is anything but a mockery...

[Tayloe41800]

i honestly think this CD is a decoy.....no proof, other then the music itself......
Tool said in a round about way that they were concidering creating a fake to prohibit the real CD leaking.......now aside from that, the music seems like old tracks that didnt make the cut for undertow, and aenema and even lateralus......plus some of maynards vocals sound disturbingly like APC tracks......Maynard is known for his heart stopping tones as he sings the songs, this CD has nothing but high pitched plain tones or low pitched mono tones throughout....the music in alot of songs seems like digitally remastered tracks mostly from the undertow days that were left on the cutting room floor. the music seems very bland/plain.....and thats not tool

is this alot of effort to combat the leaks? yes it is. Is it possible to release a decoy to the distributors? yes it is. Is it possible that Tool has a private company distributing the CD? yes it is.

you die hard Tool fans know what i mean when i say this doesnt sound like Tool.

If this is the real CD, then, i will have to learn to take it for what its worth.
But i find it extremely hard to beleve that after all the years of progression that this band has made since 1990, that in 2006, they would offer up a CD with no passion what so ever.......

i am not posting this to discuss the music being good or bad, but rather a discussion of your opinion on this being a decoy or not.......

thanks for reading

[Deoxy_Anomaly]

Probably real, but a decoy would be quite funny.

[*see*you*auntie*]

i honestly think this CD is a decoy.....

No.

[BlindVisionary]

Of course it's real, it's quite clearly a step from Lateralus...

[Pickles The Clown]

Just because its not what you expected/wanted to hear doesnt mean its fake.

[phreak03]

if this is a decoy, i can't even imagine how amazing the real one would be.

don't think it is though, i don't think they would write a song about Maynard's mom and call it a fake, that's kinda disrespecting maynard and his mom

[Foamy]

It doesnt sound "toolish" because you havent heard it before. Get used to it. Its a fantastic album.

[RED_THE_HAT]

I think it would be fucking amazing if this was a decoy. Imagine that. 2 new tool records in one hit!! HAHAHA!!!

[BlindVisionary]

And they only release 1 album per half decade, i don't think they'd have time to release 2 albums in succession...

[CroyezAuRien]

They're tool, so how can they not sound like tool?

[FistFck]

if it were a decoy, i think it would relabeled as a B-Side disk, not a decoy. i still think it would be pretty neat once we go out and get 10000 days in the store, that theres 2 disks, one is the b sides, and the other is the cd.

[y-k=1/4p(x-h)^2]

It seems too...huge. I mean, production wise, I'm hearing more and more little nuances every time I press play. 'Vicarious' is definitely on a different level than any of the other songs; it's definitely the most like Tool. Maybe they released it simply to pull old fans back in before they smacked them in the face with all the other songs.

Not saying that's a bad thing.

A decoy album is way too X-Files, I think.

[ripewithdecay]

If this is a decoy album, I don't *want* to hear the real thing. I just wouldn't be able to handle it.

[CroyezAuRien]

Yeah.Vicarious is the single and the opening song for the fact its the most tool-esque song on the album. Enough people are bitching about them not sounding like tool, so this opening song makes the transition from lateralus to the new material a little easier. I'm loving this album more with each listen.

[Lennon]

I dont see how 10,000 days (the song) would have been written before 2003, sorry.

[y-k=1/4p(x-h)^2]

I dont see how 10,000 days (the song) would have been written before 2003, sorry.

That's a pretty damn good point.

[RED_THE_HAT]

Well lets put it this way... at least the leak saved them the cash when it came to flying out their own people to accompany the album to journalists doing album reviews... BAHAHHA!!!

[thejesus]

I still can't believe that Blair's joke about the record taking so long because the guys had to spend a year making a fake album was actually taken seriously by ANYONE...

There is no fake album...it was just a stupid joke from Blair that was never intended to fool anyone

[kamyar]

jambi and 10000 days (the single) are too personal to be put on a 'fake' cd.

[TheRuleOfThree]

I will stoop to a level that I normally don't and insist that anyone who doesn't believe that this is a *real* album is probably dealing with a mental defect of some sort.

In other words, you're an idiot if you think that.

[y-k=1/4p(x-h)^2]

How many assholes do we have on this ship?

Sorry, couldn't help it.

[*see*you*auntie*]

I dont see how 10,000 days (the song) would have been written before 2003, sorry.

That's because it wasn't.

[usefulidiot]

I would only want this to be a decoy album becuase it would be the greatest story ever told. I think most of you guys who came on board when "Lateralus" dropped were expecting more of the same and that didn't happen, so you're pissed. This is Tool. And I love it.

[britishempire]

MJK: I know, guys! Lets make TWO new albums, one of them shit and the other great.
DC: Uh, why?
MJK: So we can leak the bad one and make some people think we've gone shit.
AJ: Why would we want to do that?
MJK: cause we're tool, and we do things like that. THAT'S WHY.

So they did.

MJK: OH FUCK. WAIT. WE LEAKED THE GOOD STUFF ONLINE BY MISTAKE?!
DC: yeah, now people are going to be buying the boy-band covers on the CD
MJK: haha, this works out better.

[Imagine1980]

That would be quite a lot of time and effort wasted just to create a fake album. I highly doubt it, but it would be pretty sick to get another album on top of this.

[Strife21]

I quite honestly like this album a real real lot. It gets better and better each time i listen to it so if this is a fake album I will be a very happy person cause if there is another album that is better then this that means I get to listen to twice the goodness.

[zapata_36]

I would only want this to be a decoy album becuase it would be the greatest story ever told. I think most of you guys who came on board when "Lateralus" dropped were expecting more of the same and that didn't happen, so you're pissed. This is Tool. And I love it.

Seconded.

[slicknickshady]

It's a 5 Star Classic Album.

[chalk_line]

It's a 5 Star Classic Album.

Amen* Rock history has begun

[Seven Deep]

"Tool has saved/killed rock."

not far behind..

[Metalhos]

MJK: I know, guys! Lets make TWO new albums, one of them shit and the other great.
DC: Uh, why?
MJK: So we can leak the bad one and make some people think we've gone shit.
AJ: Why would we want to do that?
MJK: cause we're tool, and we do things like that. THAT'S WHY.

So they did.

MJK: OH FUCK. WAIT. WE LEAKED THE GOOD STUFF ONLINE BY MISTAKE?!
DC: yeah, now people are going to be buying the boy-band covers on the CD
MJK: haha, this works out better.

great! :D

[DaMa]

SHIT? SHIT? This is no way shit. There are songs that immediately get you, but tracks like Wings for Marie/10000days or Rosetta Stoned will take me some months to completely explore. I am more than pleased with this album and if there really is another CD (which i doubt) that is even better than this epic album then we have to put Tool above bands like Led Zeppelin, King Krimson, Pink Floyd and others.

I love the album and i will love it even more once i am more into all the songs.
Some are really complex and no one should judge them now already!

just my two cents.

[reign3]

IF, this was any sort of decoy, I would guess it's just mixed differently than the real album. The thought of them spending a year on a decoy album is absurd.

[fearxile]

Everything Andy King says, matches with how this album sounds. They definately wouldnt go overseas to promote a decoy album. Nuff said

[Perseensilmä]

I think downloading folks/assholes have been rewarded. Haha. It pays off to be impatient.

[Believer]

MJK: I know, guys! Lets make TWO new albums, one of them shit and the other great.
DC: Uh, why?
MJK: So we can leak the bad one and make some people think we've gone shit.
AJ: Why would we want to do that?
MJK: cause we're tool, and we do things like that. THAT'S WHY.

So they did.

MJK: OH FUCK. WAIT. WE LEAKED THE GOOD STUFF ONLINE BY MISTAKE?!
DC: yeah, now people are going to be buying the boy-band covers on the CD
MJK: haha, this works out better.
Where's Justin at in this conversation?

I don't think the leak is all that bad, but I can't imagine we waited 5 years for this. Plus Adam, Danny and Justin had how much time on their hands to fuck around while Mayard was being gay with APC?

Record a few practice sessions while Maynard was off, have him mumble a few verses when he gets back. and there's your leak. it wouldn't even take a week to make.

I'm liking the idea of it.

[snakeeyedhawk]

You are all too quick to judge. I see way too many of you judging the album already based upon one listen or one song. Have an open mind here. I love the album so far.

As far as the decoy rumor, I think it's fake. There's just too much good shit on here.

[drape]

it wouldn't even take a week to make.

my thought exactly
it took 5 years to make this?

[Furthurdown]

my thought exactly
it took 5 years to make this?

No, it took about a year. Keep in mind that EVERY member of this band works in other musical projects. So it's not like they've been in the sudio for the better part of a decade trying to design something to pacify their fans.

[Perseensilmä]

Didn´t Blair say that it took a year to make this?

[zac]

I think its all related to a harvey birdman episode....They found him guilty for something and put him in prison for 5 years(same as time to make this album) and then gave him the death penalty(this album), and right when he was in the electric chair thinking it was all over(may 2nd when we are still thinking this is the real deal) they flipped the switch and it turned on all the fun(the real album). It was a suprise birthday party for him. He says "you put me in prison for 5 years and it was all a practical joke?" then they all just start laughing. the moral of this story is, harvey birdman is a great show, tool is a great band so its true.

[Furthurdown]

Didn´t Blair say that it took a year to make this?
Not like we can always take Blair's word at face value (especially in reguards to the new album), but yes, he said that.

[britishempire]

Where's Justin at in this conversation?



he was playing with his fire extinguisher.

[Believer]

he was playing with his fire extinguisher.
how dare you leave out such important detail.

[colegrove34]

What if they recorded so much material that they decided they'd make it into 2 albums, and they figured it would be a real mindfuck to not tell anyone about the second one?

[mmortal03]

It'd be rediculously hard for them to pull it off. I mean, look at that interview where Adam says something about Maynard's "who are you to wave the finger" lyrics in "the pot"? They'd have to continually on the top of their game to say stuff like that and not accidentally talk about the real stuff.

[erg0]

Much as people would apparently like to think so, Tool does not exist in a little pocket universe where the rules of the real world do not apply. Trying to pull something like this would lead to so many breaches of contracts with record labels, distributors, manufacturers, retailers, etc that they'd be defending lawsuits for the rest of their lives. Can you see anyone going to that amount of trouble just to fool a few thousand people on the internet?

Album leaks aren't exactly uncommon these days, despite everybody's best efforts to prevent them. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one...

[justryme90]

This whole conversation is a good reason why leaks are a bad thing. Honestly, if this part would never have leaked, and everyone would have just bought the album on the release date then there could be no bickering.

[CallofCthulhu]

come on!! this "album" is nothing but a leftover buffet of post Undertow, post Aenima, post Lateralus (read: Vicarious) material. Some of it great (i.e. Jambi, clearly an Aenima track) and well, some of it not so great.

Just listen to each album's influence on each track, and you'll see it too. As for what's to come, I don't know, but it's more than this *oops* oh...., SO surprising leak.

Great b-sides:
Vicarious
Jambi
The Pot

Face it, this is the album. However..............you people raise some good points. What if in fact these tracks ARE unreleased songs from AEnima to Lateralus? Fun to think about, but this is the album.

[CallofCthulhu]

What if they recorded so much material that they decided they'd make it into 2 albums, and they figured it would be a real mindfuck to not tell anyone about the second one?

Another good point. In an old interview with Danny Carey when Adam him and Justin were just jamming didn't he mention they had like 15 new songs at the time?

My correction --> 10-12 songs
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1486242/20040407/story.jhtml

[bonus.cheese]

Much as people would apparently like to think so, Tool does not exist in a little pocket universe where the rules of the real world do not apply. Trying to pull something like this would lead to so many breaches of contracts with record labels, distributors, manufacturers, retailers, etc that they'd be defending lawsuits for the rest of their lives. Can you see anyone going to that amount of trouble just to fool a few thousand people on the internet?

Album leaks aren't exactly uncommon these days, despite everybody's best efforts to prevent them. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one...

I don't see how a band could get in trouble for making some songs and releasing them on the internet before their album with different content comes out. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just unsure of how something like that would lead to lawsuits.

[DaraUtu]

anyone who still thinks this is a decoy is a fool (get it?). Every track here is epic, listen to it, learn it....it's some great shit. seriously.

Baaa, baaaa I kinda wonder if all this will blow over and those who are right and wrong will fade into the duh. Let's all get together and follow the crowd and freak out about weather or not the album is real or not, sound fun to me.

I like the "leaked" album but I like music too so what now, I must be mortally offended that someone doesn’t like my opinion and will fear the wrath 10,000 days for not stating whether or not I think this "decoy" is or not a "decoy".

How about trying new things and stop over analyzing, it separates the body from the mind and, well you kinda need your body for this short journey.

[/V\agina]

As I've said millions of times, although I doubt it's a decoy, nobody knows for sure right now.

Blair threw us a bit of vagueness (that's so blair) and we're all fighting over it.... like (dare I say it?) monkeys.

The fact of the matter is, if you intend to listen to new tool, be this fake or not, it's new tool.. Either like it, or don't. I would at least give it some time to grow on you before calling it shit however.


I seem to remember a similar reaction to Lateralus...

[erg0]

I don't see how a band could get in trouble for making some songs and releasing them on the internet before their album with different content comes out. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm just unsure of how something like that would lead to lawsuits.

I'm referring to the fact that the band would need to deceive a large number of people all down the supply chain to make a hoax work. And people don't like being deceived, especially when there's money involved.

Aside from this, I'd imagine that there are a lot of exclusive contracts in the music industry (eg between the band and the label, between the manufacturers and distributers), hence it's not as simple as just deciding (for instance) that you want to get a CD pressed overseas or at some secret location - everybody's got their little slice of the action and if you go around them to keep a secret then you're taking away their profit - hence they're going to sue your ass.

Fucking with y'all for the sake of art is all well and good for the band, but there are a lot of other (more corporate) people involved in selling a record.

[Lagomorph]

erg0, i am a huge hoax supporter, but your post is fucking true man, it would take a long time to record, produce and mix a fake album, a lot of money and time.

plus the intricacies of the bussiness, music industry etc are beyond me...

but still... i listen to the pot, and i picture justin and maynard sitting there blazed as laughing their heads off having fun making the crappest album ever.

for serious evidence of this hoax, read toolband.com, all the newsletters make sense to me now, very strong evidence in the DEC 04 newsletter in the body of the past news section. pretty much spell it out for us.

[Idiotica]

it's possible this album was recorded to complete their record contract - they may have another one ready for 'independant' release.

[Lagomorph]

NO....

Because:

tool do not release mediocre crap.

[Boom Boom]

I don't believe it is fake.

And I'm a fan, but didn't think 'Lateralus' was the greatest Tool masterpiece, it is good, but not that good. But it's just me, I like Aenima better, everyone has its own unique taste... Maybe guys who got into Tool because of Lateralus can't realy relate to the more humoristic side of Tool music, since that album was serious all the way. But check the funny side of Aenima... Obviously Tool has gathered following from fans who have pretty different views on music, and I find that pretty good... Myself I don't go too much for the serious, esoteric 'we are the philosophers par exellance', side of music.

I find it strange that some fans can't relate this material to Tool, if it is a fake it was still made by Tool, maybe they had some other band write it down for them, then they just played it? Ha, ha, the conspiracy theories are going wild, f++++g WILD MAN!

[Lagomorph]

Boom Boom, imagine that tool wrote and performed the music (which they did) but it wasn't good....

i know, it's like a triangle with 10 000 sides really. but this is what the whole album is about.

[Nikola Petrovic]

If tool really is making a decoy album.
Then maynard reminds me of Sharon Stone in basic instinct

lying and fucking with us

[Lennon]

Why not? Lyrics can be written later.

Yea Maynard wasted his time writting lyrics for a song, a tribute to his dead mother...for a decoy album. How'd you figure it out?

[tooljunky]

this board is just brutal. The album is real! Face up to it, there is no hoax. I can't believe the people spending time posting in three seperate threads of 5 pages each...

[Perseensilmä]

erg0, i am a huge hoax supporter, but your post is fucking true man, it would take a long time to record, produce and mix a fake album, a lot of money and time.

Check out the latest newsletter, notice how Blair mentions studio/rehearsal room.

These days it´s not too expensive to record a decent sounding record. It really isn´t. Also, 10,000 days doesn´t shine production wise. It really doesn´t.

plus the intricacies of the bussiness, music industry etc are beyond me...

I think no one can bitch if an unofficially leaked track isn´t on their record. Also, those who sell products aren´t responsible for the product. Album titles and track names are always subject to change and Vicarious was announced as "new single" not as "new single from Tool´s new album".

but still... i listen to the pot, and i picture justin and maynard sitting there blazed as laughing their heads off having fun making the crappest album ever.

Or how about Lipan conjuring?




Seriously, they CAN release a decoy unofficially.

[bonus.cheese]

What about shit the bed, kangaroos, monkeys?!

[neurosis79]

you die hard Tool fans know what i mean when i say this doesnt sound like Tool.

If this is the real CD, then, i will have to learn to take it for what its worth.
But i find it extremely hard to beleve that after all the years of progression that this band has made since 1990, that in 2006, they would offer up a CD with no passion what so ever.......


you must be so fuckid stupid... listen to Wings pt 1 and 2 and u will hear fucking passion that no Tool song has ever reached.
My god u guys are stupid.

[AccidentOfBirth]

I'm new.

I really don't like the production on this album, or what I've heard. I cannot get my hands on the whole album at the moment as I can't get on my own computer, but I do have Vicarious and the production is not what I have expected from tool.
But I do believe the production is too good for this to be a decoy album. Tool have a sense of humour and like to mess with us but I doubt they would go to this extreme. They take years to make an album, they're not going to bring out what is essentially two albums in one go.
If you don't like the album you don't like it, don't try and convince yourself its a decoy because then when you've finally got it in your hands and theyre's no denying its real...what are u gonna do then?
I like vicarious and I'm going to listen to the whole album with no expectations, if I like it I like it, if I don't then fine.
thankyou

[bonus.cheese]

I also doubt they would goto the extreme of making such a lacking album.

[asears05]

Hmm, I must be crazy because Im enjoying it immensly, and I cant wait to pick up my copy on the 2nd so I can see the artwork.

[PIGS]

You hoax believers are going to feel really shitty on May 2nd...

I can't believe you guys believe this shit.

[chodaboy]

Well, I should chime in. My brother works for Best Buy. He went looking on their system for the new Tool album. He says that his Best Buy has 350 copies of 10,000 Days on order. The information also states that it is only one CD. I will have him get me the all the information that Best Buy has including any numbers, upc/and what not.

[The Corinthian]

Silly monkeys, give them thumbs
they make a rumor, write it down
where theres one you're bound to divide it
right in two.

[ryzur]

There have been mentions in the tool interviews that this new album is heavier and more powerful than Lateralus. These guys made the damned thing, being so used to it and being the creators of it, I mean, if they find it heavier, wouldnt they be able to put something out with just a little more sound to it? Wouuldnt WE find it heavier too? I find the songs on the leak to be shallow and lacking in punch alot of the time. There were also mentions of the bass sticking out differently than in other albums due to the way it was layered and engineered. I didn't think the bass tone sounded different at all. In guitar world, it is mentioned that adam plays "genuine" guitar solos. He doesnt play much more than long sustained notes, leaving the leads on the other albums, which have been pretty much nonexistant anyway, with much more meat to them. These aren't solos, they are drones. I mean come on, using a talk box and going "WAH WAH WAH WUH WAH WAH WUH" in slow moving single note sustains. Why not just go for the good old fashioned wah pedal. Maybe he did. These are the reasons that I HOPE tool is fucking with us. If they aren't and this is the real deal. Well I am disappointed. Sorry, thats the way it is. People don't usually like being disappointed, but its gotta happen I guess.

[Toolbelt]

I can't believe this is still being discussed.

[Lagomorph]

I can't believe this is still being discussed.

you're the one who bumped it!

[cliff]

Amen

honestly,

you have to turn off all the lights, put on some good quality headphones, eliminate all possible distractions, and just let go.

It's paralazing and epic, it truely is.

/attentionspan

[Masses]

Lol

[fault]

you're the one who bumped it!

hahaha.

[oneredflag]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7236/pict00321es.jpg

I think this settels it...
Hoax supporters:

Razors are available at your local drug store.
remember it's "up" not "across"

[Lagomorph]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7236/pict00321es.jpg

I think this settels it...
Hoax supporters:

Razors are available at your local drug store.
remember it's "up" not "across"

down the street, not accross the road.
;)

[waffel]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7236/pict00321es.jpg

I think this settels it...
Hoax supporters:

Razors are available at your local drug store.
remember it's "up" not "across"

That settles what?

[oneredflag]

That settles what?

settles the fact that there is no hoax. this latest pick.
1 cd, 11 tracks all listed @ toolband/army
If there was more it would have leaked buy now.

1 quick motion then take a warm bath and relax...

[Xdrive]

settles the fact that there is no hoax. this latest pick.
1 cd, 11 tracks all listed @ toolband/army
If there was more it would have leaked buy now.

1 quick motion then take a warm bath and relax...


Funny stuff.

[welb]

I agree this probably settles it but I still want to hear the music on that disc.


Then if the music is the same as the leak I will speculate until May 16th.


Then if that's just an import I will speculate until June 6.

[fault]

Funny stuff.

ya reckon? I thought it was neither funny nor clever, especially the 2nd time around. I suppose it's mildly more clever than KILL YOURSELF or DIE that others repeat over and over.

*shrug*

[anthonytool]

Tools new album was suppose to be out by the end of 2004 or early 2005 according to an interview with danny Carey, so maybe they used the extra year to polish up the real album and then make the decoy/b-sides album. blair said it took them a year to make the decoy. imagine how good the real album would be. 10,000 days is an amazing album, its just not up to the level that lateralus was, and the songs kind of seems like b-sides because they all sound like they came from one of thier other albums. Tool will release something more original and amazing on may 2. And if not, 10,000 days is still pretty awesome.

[waffel]

settles the fact that there is no hoax. this latest pick.
1 cd, 11 tracks all listed @ toolband/army
If there was more it would have leaked buy now.

1 quick motion then take a warm bath and relax...

Good thing you're an 06er else I'd actually listen to something you said.

[1010011010]

i honestly think this CD is a decoy.....no proof, other then the music itself......
Tool said in a round about way that they were concidering creating a fake to prohibit the real CD leaking.......now aside from that, the music seems like old tracks that didnt make the cut for undertow, and aenema and even lateralus......plus some of maynards vocals sound disturbingly like APC tracks......Maynard is known for his heart stopping tones as he sings the songs, this CD has nothing but high pitched plain tones or low pitched mono tones throughout....the music in alot of songs seems like digitally remastered tracks mostly from the undertow days that were left on the cutting room floor. the music seems very bland/plain.....and thats not tool

is this alot of effort to combat the leaks? yes it is. Is it possible to release a decoy to the distributors? yes it is. Is it possible that Tool has a private company distributing the CD? yes it is.

you die hard Tool fans know what i mean when i say this doesnt sound like Tool.

If this is the real CD, then, i will have to learn to take it for what its worth.
But i find it extremely hard to beleve that after all the years of progression that this band has made since 1990, that in 2006, they would offer up a CD with no passion what so ever.......

i am not posting this to discuss the music being good or bad, but rather a discussion of your opinion on this being a decoy or not.......

thanks for reading


Perfectly said

[waffel]

Or prehaps tool is really fed up with their record label, and to cover the contract they shit this CD out without much effort.

[oneredflag]

Good thing you're an 06er else I'd actually listen to something you said.
Hmmm
well I was just kidding however...
i SEE NO DIFF BETWEEN AN 05ER OR AN 06ER, 10 POSTS OR A 1000 POSTS

Funny though you were 7 the first time I saw Tool Live

::Enjoys a good pissing contest::

[Artistic Sickness]

The problem you silly people seem to be having with all this hoax and decoy crap is the use of those words... HOAX and DECOY.
I think this is a real album.... but it very might not be THE new album. What's so implausible about a B-side compilation? Tool OBVIOUSLY has lots of (unusued) songs kickin' around. It would explain how the songs are great, but there's very little flow on the album we have... and how many people find the quality to not be up to par with past releases. These songs remind me of Salival, as a package.
And if Tool wrote and recorded these songs (at least in parts) whilst working on other albums... there's no legal problems with that... the record company will still get the $$.. and people will STILL BUY the "real" album... and then all the passionate (crazy) fans will go buy the B-Side album.
-More money.
-Tool gets to play games with your heads.
-We all waste time on this fucking forum.
-Production drops, the economy collapses.
-Tool sacks the capital and Maynard is made Supreme Dictator of Everything.

[gungaroo22]

What I cannot stand is when people don't like this CD, people tell them "you arent a tool fan", "you hate tool find another band" or "everything tool makes is good or else you hate them." People like tool, love tool, but that doesnt mean they accept everything they make. I loved their other albums, this one rubs me the wrong way. Alot of bands go through changes for the worse, usually later on in their careers. There are countless examples depending on your musical tastes. But dont bash people if they dont like 1 cd. They just know what they like, and what they dont like. What alot of people dont like happens to be this poor Tool cd.

[tollll12]

erg0, i am a huge hoax supporter, but your post is fucking true man, it would take a long time to record, produce and mix a fake album, a lot of money and time.

plus the intricacies of the bussiness, music industry etc are beyond me...

but still... i listen to the pot, and i picture justin and maynard sitting there blazed as laughing their heads off having fun making the crappest album ever.

for serious evidence of this hoax, read toolband.com, all the newsletters make sense to me now, very strong evidence in the DEC 04 newsletter in the body of the past news section. pretty much spell it out for us.

I don't picture him with Justin, because that's obviously Paul on the bass.

[tollll12]

it's possible this album was recorded to complete their record contract - they may have another one ready for 'independant' release.

They have a minimum of three albums on their contract, which includes Lateralus. So, if this were b-sides only, they'd still have one more album which needed to be done. However, if this release was both b-sides and new stuff... they could fulfill the contract?