09 - Intension lyrics

[Havokb8]

yep 5:55 on this song the vocals are backwards, maynard says

work hard, stay in school, listen to your mother, listen to your father. Go find a program to play the song backwards, man that shit is crazy!

[plexus]

... or my take on them... help me make them better.
...i fixed the missing lyrics up here.

thanks Fist Fck

pure as we begin
pure as we come in
pure as we begin
pure by will alone

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
gather, place, erase, so
shelter turned to home

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
throw to stay the stranger
swore to crush his bones

move by will alone

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
forge a blade to slay the stranger
take whatever we desire

move by will alone

pure as we begin

pure as we begin
move by will alone
leave as we come in
pure as light, return to one

move by will alone
move by will alone

[plexus]

it may be at 5:55 on the backward song, but on the forward one, it starts around 1 minute

[steve99_9]

LOL...that is fucked up

[Paradigm619]

I believe it's, "work hard, stay in school, listen to your mother, your father is right."

[-=MT=-]

...what are you people talking about?

[just simulacra]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier

[Havokb8]

it may be at 5:55 on the backward song, but on the forward one, it starts around 1 minute


you are correct lol

[steve99_9]

...what are you people talking about?

.....backward lyrics...i thought this would be very obvious you know, by READING the first post

[-=MT=-]

I reversed it, but I don't hear those lyrics...

[just simulacra]

click my link.
its one minute in, not 5:55.

[F!end]

I believe it's, "work hard, stay in school, listen to your mother, your father is right."

Yup. Twice.

[-=MT=-]

Haha, that's genius.

[slicknickshady]

MJK is tAwesome.

[eL_sTiKo]

Throw the blame to stay the stranger

[FistFck]

pure as we begin
pure as we come in
pure as we begin
pure by will alone

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
gather, place, erase, so
shelter turned to home

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
throw to stay the stranger
swore to crush his bones

move by will alone

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
for to blame the snake, the stranger
take whatever we desire

move by will alone

pure as we begin

pure as we begin
move by will alone
leave as we come in
pure as light, return to one

move by will alone
move by will alone
__________________

[clarity.]

FistFck has good ears.

[FistFck]

i like having lyrics to read along with the song. it helps me analyze it better. and i know for a fact that the album wont have lyrics in the booklet... so i figure if we all started workin on em, we could have these complete and accurate by the time we get the artwork. :)

[panocha21]

Wait, if Maynard tells us the message in reverse, that means he wants us to do the opposite of what he's saying. Fuck yeah! I'm drpping out of school and am never listening to my parents again!

[chalk_line]

yep 5:55 on this song the vocals are backwards, maynard says

work hard, stay in school, listen to your mother, listen to your father. Go find a program to play the song backwards, man that shit is crazy!

Have you found anything else that is backwards?

[magnolia]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though

[FistFck]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though


LMFAO!

[KarusSalus]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though


Funniest post I've ever read on this board.

[shorabali]

shit snakes on the plane

[Cinnamon]

damn, someone should sue.

[Opiate_Mass]

Have you found anything else that is backwards?
like your life? xD

[eonphi]

damn, someone should sue.
what he's saying isn't much of a bad sugestion tho lol

[Khadgar346]

hah thats awesome

[FindtheTruth]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though

I am pretty sure the line in question is: forge a blade to stay the stanger

[mike tyson]

This is easily my least favorite song on the album. The good soft guitarwork by Adam halfway through, as well as the electro drum stuff saves it from being "skippable" in my eyes.

[Descencia]

OMFG SNÆKES ON A PLæN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chuck_Of_Wah]

This song is mesmerising.

[dracomordag]

Snakes on a plane ftw

[dracomordag]

i approve

[Viginti Tres]

this wins funniest thread of the day

[HolyReality]

hilarious.

[praefector]

i kind of heard this:


fill the plane with snakes,

... might be wrong though


<3

[spiralout11235]

That's fucking awesome. Sweet find.

[spiralout11235]

seems to be about the power of suggestion/thought/intention and free will.

[magnolia]

lol... i mean... correct me if i'm wrong

[red40]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though

you sir... just blew my mind

[randomhero8823]

Know how people take music and look for Satanic and weird meanings? lol Tool just fooled us with this one. lol Nice one guys. I clap for you! lol

[6:00..Bhaal]

i love opeth!

[Exoskeletal]

Seems to me this is some kind of introduction to Right in Two. Humanity began pure, then we discovered fire along with our free will and our power to kill.

[undeniable dilemma]

I am pretty sure the line in question is: forge a blade to stay the stanger
You are correct. It is foreshadowing to "they forge a blade" in Right In Two.

[TornDown]

perhaps Intension//Right in Two is the original version of "LK" and it got chopped up? The songs are that smooth.

[chalk_line]

like your life? xD
like your mom when shes bent over ;)

[chickenweasel]

wow. they lyrics are quite beautiful.
and yes, they do seem to be a kind of thematic intro to Right in Two.

[ArizonaBay]

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Move by will alone.

[GullyFoyle]

light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

sounds like Home we occupy to my.
gf

[Athanatizein]

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Move by will alone.

We think alike.

[tomatoms]

sounds to me like the ideal journey of a wanderer, or what have. Or the entrance, transmission, and exit of the soul from the body. So beautiful. It kind of sounds like an Alice In Chains song, can't think of which tho. Of course, it's tool, so it's another level entirely.
To the Liber Al reference, I'd add:

"Love is the Law. Love under Will."

[Athanatizein]

"Love is the Law. Love under Will."

Non sequitur from the lyrics, I'd say.

Distension from that society of brutality that indoctrinated one, to free one self from emotional residue- and move by will alone, seems a more coherent interpretation, no?

At least, that's what I based my long-winded interpretation on.

[Bleakest Harvest]

I smell a lawsuit. What if some kid should top himself after listeneing to this song when his parents had specifically told him not to? :p

[question93]

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Move by will alone.

I get more of

"Let it be that state of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect."
Liber al vel Legis 1:42-44

From this song.

[question93]

I'm thinking that this would be a good song to perform Mass of the Phoenix to.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib44.htm

[renob]

poor magnolia...

[etc43]

I must say, I didn't believe this when I first read it. There's this site about backmasking, I think it's Jeff Milner or something, and it shows examples of backwards messages like "I love Satan" and "I like to smoke marijuana a lot," but when you listen to it, you can tell it's a coincidence, and it simply sounds like they MIGHT be saying it. Only one of the examples there was real, and it was from a Pink Floyd song. Anyway, I played "Intension" backwards, expecting to hear something that MIGHT sound like it, but this is clearly no coincidence. It's intensional. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Anyway, thanks for reminding me why I love Tool so much.

[MacFoley]

great find!

[psychodad]

Know how people take music and look for Satanic and weird meanings? lol Tool just fooled us with this one. lol Nice one guys. I clap for you! lol

I think there were some papers and preachers who actually went for "die eier von Satan" being a nazi rant, and that is what they are going for with this one. We'll see if the christians bite. Probably not, as people have already figured the message out for them by reversing the track, but it sure would have worked great like 10 years ago.

Very funny idea, gotta love this band!

[sentinel]

Wait, if Maynard tells us the message in reverse, that means he wants us to do the opposite of what he's saying. Fuck yeah! I'm drpping out of school and am never listening to my parents again!

Exactly.

Though I can see how many one-eyed and simple-minded kids who can't understand the metafor will actually take it literally and do something stupid.. like get educated and shit.

[tonedef]

know what else is fucked up. 555 was adolph hitlers national socialist (nazi) number. when he joined he was the 55th member and the count started at 500!
listen to your fuhrer!

[MentalSanityOff]

^ I believe thats whats implied by the backwards message. Kind of the same idea as Pet - APC

[abrack29]

What do you mean... is there something backwards in Pet too?

[molehill]

Hahaha, that's fantastic!

[Wingedson]

[QUOTE=FindtheTruth]I am pretty sure the line in question is: forge a blade to stay the stanger[/QUO
I agree, I have listened for all permutations, and I think this is it, fits with the earlier part as well

[Eier von]

There´s something that reminds me of Dune. You know, the book.
"Move by will alone" and "Spark becomes a flame, flame becomes a fire". Those are familiar sounding lines. Perhaps from the movie version by D. Lynch.

Also at Adam Jones´ Myspace, there´s a quote from the book.

I´m not saying the song is about Dune though.

[ArizonaBay]

Majick=will.

Regardless of of what i think about the rest of the album, noone does stuff like this better than tool.

[kaiowas_is]

you sir... just blew my mind
hahaha

[ToneDefNC]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though

http://www.snakesonablog.com/swp/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/snakes_on_plane.jpg

[Sagacious Foetu]

shit snakes on the plane
MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES!!!

[Sagacious Foetu]

i really hope the original poster wasn't joking.



because that is the most fantastic thing i've ever heard of. i can't fucking stop laughing.

[Sagacious Foetu]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier
NO FUCKING WAY. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[hbynoe]

:) great advice

[hbynoe]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier
fucking sweet
added to me profile

[Sagacious Foetu]

am i the only one who sees why this is hilarious?

[-=MT=-]

am i the only one who sees why this is hilarious?

Well others are laughing too, so I guess no, you're not.

[schmeng]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier

now wouldn't that technically be posting a link to leaked material? even if it is backwards

[theremin_scape]

reversals are the easiest effect ever. it was impressive when hendrix did it.

[caliphornia]

that's awesome.. great find!

[caliphornia]

i'm pretty sure it's "pure is we begin" not "pure as we begin"

[bogsnarth]

i hear "pure" in there a few times, but my first impression was "cure by will alone" and i still hear it, at least on that line.

[ArizonaBay]

I get more of

"Let it be that state of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect."
Liber al vel Legis 1:42-44

From this song.

Yes exactly, so "love is the law, love under will" is not a non sequitar at all. One of the best songs on this album. It could be cure by will alone, it makes more sense. As a thematic intro to right in two its great with the "Cutting our love right in two" chorus.

[jackfriday]

i'm hearing
"light the way along this home we occupy"
instead of
"light the way or warm this
hope we occupy"
makes more sense as well.

[partwarrior]

i'm hearing
"light the way along this home we occupy"
instead of
"light the way or warm this
hope we occupy"
makes more sense as well.


I've listened to this several times, I hear:

Light the way, or warm this home we occupy.

Also, to the snakes line in question above...lol, its

"Forge a blade to slay the stranger, take whatever we desire"

If you look at that whole verse... "spark becomes a flame, flame becomes a fire" couldn't it be that in the fire, you forge the blade.... use the blade to slay the stranger, and then take whatever you desire?

just my .02

[Stev]

i hear "pure" in there a few times, but my first impression was "cure by will alone" and i still hear it, at least on that line.

I'm hearing the same c on a couple of lines - I was thinking 'curious we begin'.

Oh and that snakes on a plane thing was fucking priceless. No other words for it. Fucking priceless.

[Stev]

The more I listen to it, the more I think the second line in the song is 'Curious we come in'.

[Howard]

Don't forget about that "pure by will alone" is incorrect.

[Doowadiddy]

reversals are the easiest effect ever. it was impressive when hendrix did it.


I don't think they were trying to break any new ground here. It's toungue in cheek. You know the whole, "Play it backwards man, it's Satan telling you to kill your cat." But here it's telling kids to work hard and listen to their parents. That my friend is friggin' funny.

[MOMOwheeler]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier


KARMA POINTS GALORE!!!!!


.... shit, wrong site. Thanx anyway though 8)

[Symbiot]

Song not found. I'll have to check it out when I get home. Cool find. Makes me wonder if any of the backwards stuff on Lost Keys is really anything or not.

[rocco]

i kind of heard this:

"spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
fill the plane with snakes, the stranger
take whatever we desire"

... might be wrong though


That's just my pet snake, Reggie.

[vehuiah]

I've a doubt on "throw to stay the stranger" , I would be more logical if it was "Thrown this to the stranger." The tool became a weapon, first to protect us, then to attack and destroy the strangers, each others ...like the fire which lighted the way and warmed and which finished by forging blades.....

[vehuiah]

It's linked to the word 'intenstion". For me this song means that nothing is bad, it's just the intention you have when you use it which determines what will be bad or good :
Fire : warm,protect/attack,forging weapon
Stone: build house,protect/throw it,crush bones of the others with...

[tonedef]

I don't think they were trying to break any new ground here. It's toungue in cheek. You know the whole, "Play it backwards man, it's Satan telling you to kill your cat." But here it's telling kids to work hard and listen to their parents. That my friend is friggin' funny.

i still think hes making a nazi reference; but if hes trying to be ironic than hes doing it in more ways than one. Mindless Self Indulgence have a song called "backmask" and the lyrics tell you to kill yourself but in reverse it tells you to be good and brush your teeth! MSI rule.

[LordMandinga]

good things... how long until people start listening to the whole album backwards, trying to find anything they can.

[tooldude]

wow thats crazy......wonder if there are any songs like that on the other albums????? quick..somebody get to it!

[vehuiah]

From an interview with Maynard :

"Information, itself, is pure. Take a knife, for example. You can use it to cut up vegetables, meat, butter your bread, etc. Or you can use it as a weapon. The way in which information exists in its many forms leaves for us the decision as to how it is we wish to use it. Information itself has a certain purity. Humans have intentionality. It's humans who decide how it is they wish to behave. Information and technology are pure" [or what I referred to as amoral-that is, morality-the rightness/wrongness of actions-cannot take place until humans decide how they wish to use them]."......I think it's the subject of Intension

[bogsnarth]

i think you may be onto something there..

or just on something.

[bogsnarth]

but i agree either way ;)

[vehuiah]

:)

[seneca77]

FistFck has good ears.

i agree

[Howard]

Get out, it's just on this one.

And I think he says more than the mother and father things.

[jstar0492]

I've a doubt on "throw to stay the stranger" , I would be more logical if it was "Thrown this to the stranger." The tool became a weapon, first to protect us, then to attack and destroy the strangers, each others ...like the fire which lighted the way and warmed and which finished by forging blades.....

I'll second this idea - and add that 'Forge a blade to slay the stranger, take whatever we desire' makes more sense to the overall theme of this song, which is pretty straightforward.

It's a fresh take on the old cliche "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Don't get mad at the snake, get mad at the jerk who put it on your plane.

[Life feeds on life]

pretty cool...but who tries to search an album for backwards messages?

[Sober_Tom]

Ha best ever. what programs does one use though to find such hidden messages?

[Shaz]

yep 5:55 on this song the vocals are backwards, maynard says

work hard, stay in school, listen to your mother, listen to your father. Go find a program to play the song backwards, man that shit is crazy!



I did it.

and im still smiling.

Just cause.... its friggen great.

loving the cd more as its the 10th play for me.

exluding the backwards thing.

funny stuff.

peace.

[Shaz]

I'll second this idea - and add that 'Forge a blade to slay the stranger, take whatever we desire' makes more sense to the overall theme of this song, which is pretty straightforward.

It's a fresh take on the old cliche "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Don't get mad at the snake, get mad at the jerk who put it on your plane.


I hear SLAY as well... everything else fits.

and im kinda new... as in... not paying attention to much else.
whats up with the snakes on the plane joke. i need a wikipedia type definition here.
im curious.


bwaaaa

<edit>
also.
I see... listening, and reading, i kinda sense a "you want to leave this world as 'pure' as you came in" type thing.

Just me. Just me as in the state and moment im in right now anyway.

peace

[Warartist]

i love opeth!

me too!

[Pratch]

Ha best ever. what programs does one use though to find such hidden messages?

Quicktime (Pro) will play audio (or video) backwards. Not sure if it's in the regular Quicktime version as I only have pro here.

[waking believing running]

light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

sounds like Home we occupy to my.
gf

i hear home too.

[A WalkAbout]

Intension

pure as we begin
pure as we come in
pure as we begin
move by will alone

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
gather, place, erase, so
shelter turned to home

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
throw this to the stranger
swore to crush his bones

move by will alone

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
forge a blade to slay the stranger
take whatever we desire

move by will alone

pure as we begin

pure as we begin
move by will alone
leave as we come in
pure as light, return to one

move by will alone
move by will alone

[bogsnarth]

i hear the following parts thusly:

gather, place, arrange so
shelter turns to home


and


light the way or warm this
home we occupy


and to reiterate some earlier posts: i think some of the lines say "pure" and some say "cure".. "cure by will alone" i'm pretty sure about, the rest i don't know.

[Schaller]

Ha best ever. what programs does one use though to find such hidden messages?

Try Audacity. It's free!

[cynicis]

I'm thinking it's "throw this day the stranger / swore to crush his bones." As in, this is the day he swore to crush me, so I'll throw the stone at him. It sounds like it... it just seems that there's definitely other than "throw to stay the stranger." We're all going to feel like idiots if there are ever official lyrics released.

[xPOGOx]

This clip (http://www.esnips.com/doc/c1813d41-ee2f-45db-8c55-deddaf479c46/IntensionHiddenMessage.wav) contains the full 30 second bit. You do have to turn up the volume a little bit because the message is whispered and is kind of quiet...but...it does say:

"Work hard. Stay in school. Listen to your mother. Your father is right.
Work hard. Stay in school. Listen to your mother. Your father is right."

[bobzrag]

I also saw this on another site: (These lyrics are played backwards: Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right, son... Jesus loves you... Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right son...)

They seemed to imply that it was at the beginning of the song - "Jesus loves you" brother!

[Hanover_Fist]

pure as we begin,
move by will alone

I'm hearing smooth by will alone. Anyone else?

gather, place, arrange so
shelter turns to home
...
light the way or warm this
home we occupy

I think it's "gather, place, array so." I'm not hearing the g sound. However, Array and arrange both fit in context better than erase.

I also hear home and not hope as well.

I'm thinking it's "throw this day the stranger / swore to crush his bones." ...

I'm still hearing "throw to stay," and it makes sense: Throw a rock to hold off the stranger.

My $0.02

[ToolFool625]

(These lyrics are played backwards: Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right, son... Jesus loves you... Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right son...)

Pure as we begin.
Pure as we come in.
Pure as we begin.
Ruled by will alone.

Pure as we begin.
Here we have a stone.
Gather, place, erase so. (*)
Shelter turns to home.

Pure as we begin.
Here we have a stone.
Throw to stay the stranger. (*)
Swore to crush his bones. (*)

Ruled by will alone.

Spark becomes a flame.
Flame becomes a fire.
Light the way or warm this.
Home we occupy.

Spark becomes a flame.
Flame becomes a fire.
Forge a blade to slay the stranger.
Take whatever we desire.

Moved by will alone.
Pure as we begin.

Pure as we begin
Move by will alone.
Leave as we come in.
Pure as light.
Return to one.

Move by will alone.
Move by will alone.

[question93]

Yes exactly, so "love is the law, love under will" is not a non sequitar at all. One of the best songs on this album. It could be cure by will alone, it makes more sense. As a thematic intro to right in two its great with the "Cutting our love right in two" chorus.

I'll have to get a few listens through thinking "Cure by Will alone" and let you know what I think =)

I just made a fresh batch of Cakes of Light, I think I'm going to have to do Mass of the Phoenix, and this song is going to be in te mix for sure.

[jsn]

move by will alone= awesome

[el_boss]

Oh noes, we've been brainwashed by Tool.

[evankimo]

Pure as we begin.
Here we have a stone.
Gather, place, erase so. (*)
Shelter turns to home.

The lyric is "Gather, place, and raise so"
It makes the most sense

[Scobularni]

The Aquabats did something similar 6 years ago:

"finish school, it's worth it to graduate" / "Your parents have the right idea" / "Brush your teeth"

great minds/bands :)

[Rosette feasted]

I'm hearing something different:
"Buy another copy of the album"

[Matt8]

a little fun seems a little out of place in this song and thats why i love it.

[eslupminoyler]

At this point I hear, "Jesus," and then what sounds something like, "Forgive...sins." Not really sure if he actually says it, if it is a hidden prayer without sound, or if I am hearing what I want to hear.
I do hear it every time though.
I hear it going forward every time at 1:05.
Haven't listened to it backward yet.

Perhaps I have an ability to decipher text, even when it is spoken backwards.

Opinions? Anyone else hear what I hear?

[eslupminoyler]

At this point I hear, "Jesus," and then what sounds something like, "Forgive...sins." Not really sure if he actually says it, if it is a hidden prayer without sound, or if I am hearing what I want to hear.
I do hear it every time though.
I hear it going forward every time at 1:05.
Haven't listened to it backward yet.

Perhaps I have an ability to decipher text, even when it is spoken backwards.

Opinions? Anyone else hear what I hear?

I turned it up as loud as I could, but i'm still not certain.
I tried to make it sound like something else in my head, but it doesn't

[CaseLogic]

That is where he says "listen to your mother, your father is right, go to school" or something to that effect in reverse

[Choice Breath]

I think I heard "Jesus" and "sins", but I read your post first which may have affected my perception by putting the idea in my head.

[WTFmate]

Maynard is throwing me for a loop here. Is he tight with Jesus as illustrated here or is he on the outs with Jesus illustrated in APC song Judith.

[Spiral Into Nothing]

I think I heard "Jesus" and "sins", but I read your post first which may have affected my perception by putting the idea in my head.

Seconded.

[eslupminoyler]

Seconded.

I am now fairly sure he says "Jesus" and then "Sins", but if there is anything between these two words, it appears to be drowned by a drum.
As I recall listening to this part for the first time, I was not expecting to hear anything. It just happened.
If it is really nothing, and if I've just created something through the use of dynamic ambiguity, my apologies.

[eslupminoyler]

SOmeone find a listening apparatus where the bass can be turned off, as close to completely as possible, and then get back at me, because I'm not absolutely convinced.

[khemystri]

That is where he says "listen to your mother, your father is right, go to school" or something to that effect in reverse

The message is in reverse.

I GOT IT!!!!!! HERES THE ENTIRE MESSAGE IN REVERSE

WORK HARD, Stay in School, listen to your mother, your father is wise,
work hard, stay in School.. Listen to your mother, your father is right.

[martyr_02]

I can kinda hear jesus and sins, but it all seems meshed together. Also i agree since i read your post that i was looking for it, kinda like timmy in right in two. If you don't know the timmy thing don't ask. I hear it every time know and i can't stand it.

[khemystri]

I can kinda hear jesus and sins, but it all seems meshed together. Also i agree since i read your post that i was looking for it, kinda like timmy in right in two. If you don't know the timmy thing don't ask. I hear it every time know and i can't stand it.

I reversed it and EQ'd it. It sounds great, but I have no more
webspace to upload to.... (filled my remaining webspace with
stereoscopic images)

SO if you have some webspace, PM me and ill send you the MP3
to POST IN THIS THREAD.

[eslupminoyler]

I reversed it and EQ'd it. It sounds great, but I have no more
webspace to upload to.... (filled my remaining webspace with
stereoscopic images)

SO if you have some webspace, PM me and ill send you the MP3
to POST IN THIS THREAD.

You have a loud recording from 1:04-1:09 with no bass going forward?
Or are you talking in reverse?

[khemystri]

You have a loud recording from 1:04-1:09 with no bass going forward?
Or are you talking in reverse?

amplified... no bass, in reverse.. sounds great

[khemystri]

Its only half a meg, someone step up with some
webspace and PM me your email address....

So I can share this thing.....

[eslupminoyler]

Its only half a meg, someone step up with some
webspace and PM me your email address....

So I can share this thing.....

Well we are listening to this thing forward.
I think many people have the reverse recording already.

[xPOGOx]

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=41894

Etc. That thread talks about the BACKWARDS lyric and has multiple links to places where the backwards lyric is hosted.

Plus, I've got the backwards lyric in this folder: http://www.esnips.com/web/xPOGOxsOtherStuff

That said, I'm going to try and see if I can pick out anything in the fowards version (the forward supposed hidden prayer you're talking about is at the same section as the backward lyric), but I imagine you're just hearing weird backwards stuff of the backwards lyric, like when people kinda sorta hear somewhat similarities of words in backwards playings of tracks and claim it's the devil, etc.

[xPOGOx]

The forward version:

I hear "Jesus" in there too...but, with the program I am using, I can quickly click "reverse" and go right back over that in the other direction, and as I suspected, it's just a weird reverse listening to the other lyric.

When listening to it forward, you hear "Jesus" (or something similar) when you would hear "...is right" from the backward lyric. Also playing in the backward lyric behind the "Your father is right" is an increasing sort of whispered scream like "yaaaaaah" which might be part of the forward "Jesus" sound.

Conclusion:
No matter what I do in the capabilities I have with the program I am using, I can't get any sort of forward message in all the whispering except for coincidentals caused by hearing the reverse lyric in reverse. Not much different when you coincidentally hear something that sounds like a word when playing a regular lyric in reverse.


EDIT: When I'm doing this sort of stuff, please remind me to turn my volume way back down before I unpause Vicarious in the middle of a really loud part. Fuck that hurt my ears.

[eslupminoyler]

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=41894

Etc. That thread talks about the BACKWARDS lyric and has multiple links to places where the backwards lyric is hosted.

Plus, I've got the backwards lyric in this folder: http://www.esnips.com/web/xPOGOxsOtherStuff

That said, I'm going to try and see if I can pick out anything in the fowards version (the forward supposed hidden prayer you're talking about is at the same section as the backward lyric), but I imagine you're just hearing weird backwards stuff of the backwards lyric, like when people kinda sorta hear somewhat similarities of words in backwards playings of tracks and claim it's the devil, etc.

That is possible

[eslupminoyler]

The forward version:

I hear "Jesus" in there too...but, with the program I am using, I can quickly click "reverse" and go right back over that in the other direction, and as I suspected, it's just a weird reverse listening to the other lyric.

When listening to it forward, you hear "Jesus" (or something similar) when you would hear "...is right" from the backward lyric. Also playing in the backward lyric behind the "Your father is right" is an increasing sort of whispered scream like "yaaaaaah" which might be part of the forward "Jesus" sound.

Conclusion:
No matter what I do in the capabilities I have with the program I am using, I can't get any sort of forward message in all the whispering except for coincidentals caused by hearing the reverse lyric in reverse. Not much different when you coincidentally hear something that sounds like a word when playing a regular lyric in reverse.


EDIT: When I'm doing this sort of stuff, please remind me to turn my volume way back down before I unpause Vicarious in the middle of a really loud part. Fuck that hurt my ears.

Very fascinating. Thanks a bunch.

p.s.
turn your volume way back down before you unpause Vicarious at a loud part

[xPOGOx]

It is kind of interesting that when Tool makes a joke and hides a positive, very non-Satanic message in reverse in the song, you end up hearing "Jesus" when the song is played forward (and you hear the "hidden" lyric in reverse)...

[eslupminoyler]

It is kind of interesting that when Tool makes a joke and hides a positive, very non-Satanic message in reverse in the song, you end up hearing "Jesus" when the song is played forward (and you hear the "hidden" lyric in reverse)...

In one of the gospels, Jesus says
"God hid the secrets of the world from the wise, and revealed them to babes and infants."
I think he means that, those that are reborn in the spirit, become like infants or babes in regard to innocence and good nature, when they repent.
Also, I've noticed that children sometimes really do know everything.

Perhaps this verse was manifested into this song, because Maynard, or other band members have repented (in whatever form, religion, spirit, belief, or idea they deem right).

[Hiredugan]

In one of the gospels, Jesus says
"God hid the secrets of the world from the wise, and revealed them to babes and infants."
I think he means that, those that are reborn in the spirit, become like infants or babes in regard to innocence and good nature, when they repent.
Also, I've noticed that children sometimes really do know everything.

Perhaps this verse was manifested into this song, because Maynard, or other band members have repented (in whatever form, religion, spirit, belief, or idea they deem right).


I don't know if that rings quite true in my book, because it seems as though Maynard is still damanding more from both humanity and the spiritual realm. And i really don't think that we would be making demands like that if he had "found god" as the rumors are going! But that's just what I think

[Convoy_X]

wow, i think we found this out at the same time.
www.myspace.com/zeitgeistfm

i uploaded the reversed file just so everyone could hear it easier
!llaw erif siht nmaD

[Koan]

This is great, it is I believe a sarcastic slang at the dogma's of modern society. The rest of the song is about how we came to this terrible stale state, from our pure natural beginning.

[Koan]

By the way, those songs on that Zeitgeist space are from Super Metroid (Kraid) and the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Turned Into A Rabbit), two era-defining Super Nintendo classics!

[Sagacious Foetu]

still hilarious to me. in fact, if anyone DOESN'T find this hilarious (or even one further, if you take it SERIOUSLY), kill yourself.

[Sagacious Foetu]

know what else is fucked up. 555 was adolph hitlers national socialist (nazi) number. when he joined he was the 55th member and the count started at 500!
listen to your fuhrer!
hahahahahahahahaha.

[Jim]

Someone please help me to get to this myspace profile(or whatever its reerred to). I click on the link, it takes me to the zetigetist profile thingy. Where do I go from there? I tried the other posted method of listening to it but it wouldn't play for me. Please don't make me get my guitar processor out, buy 6 AA batteries, and remember how to do samples off my stereo again. I could do that, but I would like to forego that tedious work...
THANKS PEOPLE
-JIM-

[earthling]

Someone please help me to get to this myspace profile(or whatever its reerred to). -

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=96JMW4KY


sounds like a joke

also reminds me of rosetta stoned. "They chose me, and I didn't graduate from fuckin' high school."

[nuthin_original]

I hear "gather, place and raise so..." erase / a razor isn't quite logical to me.

[bogsnarth]

i can see how it might be "raise".. i was hearing "gather place arrange," but "and raise" makes just as much sense.. and either one makes more sense than "a razor" or "erase."

[Koan]

No, I don't hear it, just the jibberish whispers (which make sense backwards).

[mamajen]

I hear "gather, place and raise so..." erase / a razor isn't quite logical to me.

I hear that, too...

When I try to make sense of this song, I get something of a history of humankind, with a Christian spin on it. We came in pure, as in the garden of Eden, got kicked out, were nomads -- hunter-gatherers, with no real possessions. Humans used rock formations, caves, for shelter, and then learned to gather stones and use them to build (as opposed to naturally occurring) shelters, which turned into homes, possessions, something to be defended. Now because there is home, other people are considered "the other" and therefore intruders on the homeland. The stone becomes a weapon to protect the home and family, or settlement, and crushes bone. Humans settled in protective groups learn to use fire to forge blades for hunting, and for defense (stay the stranger). Defense turns to offense (slay the stranger, take whatever we desire...) And yet, in the end, pure as light return to home. We're washed clean of our sins and we toddle off to heaven. Back to the fire, it provides warmth and utility, and also the forging qualities for tools and weapons, but it also I think symbolizes something else. Spark>flame>fire. Progression of anger/aggression? Divine vs. infernal? I'm not sure.
This song wasn't one of my favorites when I first heard it, but the more I think about it, this meaning I'm drawing from it operates on many levels (it represents human history, but also birth (pure as we come in) >death (pure as light return to home), and also perhaps U.S. history, etc.) Many levels? Oh yeah, that's Tool all the way through.
I also like the play on words of intention and in-tension. Our intent (whether we use something for protection or attack) creates tension? The push and pull between "us" and "them"? "I" and "other." Intent plays into the "free will" and "reason" aspects of "Right in Two" and tension plays into the "tug-of-war" aspects of "Right in Two", making this the perfect lead in to that song.
Okay. Sorry. I got carried away. And I realize this is the lyric thread, and probably not the place for me to think out my interpretation of the song. But, hey, my first line was about the lyrics.... :)

[smeefsmeef]

If you don't know the timmy thing don't ask. I hear it every time know and i can't stand it.

For God's sake, don't ask!!!

[whitewater]

I was skeptical at first, but I hear it. Crazy. And I'm pretty confident that I'm not mistaking it for the backwards message. It comes in immediately before that -- starts at 1:06 and ends about 1:08:05

Here it is cut out from the entire song:

http://download.yousendit.com/41458F1A018D9E47

[Lucky_Fucker]

Link for Backmasking on Intenstion...http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=76285610

[Darkness13]

Ya know, whichever way I listen to this... I'm creeped out... But listening to the backwards of it (excuse the improper terminology) it sounds like he has a reversed message behind a forwarded message...

But I think I'm just stating the obvious... Aplogies if I am...

[apolluwn]

Sounds like "jesus commit a sin" or "jesus was innocent" forwards, but I could be hearing things...

[PriceisRight]

I don't think they were trying to break any new ground here. It's toungue in cheek. You know the whole, "Play it backwards man, it's Satan telling you to kill your cat." But here it's telling kids to work hard and listen to their parents. That my friend is friggin' funny.

actually...I think pink floyd made a backmasked phrase that said "Congratulations! You found the hidden message." or something to that effect.

If I'm wrong...please correct me.

[eslupminoyler]

Sounds like "jesus commit a sin" or "jesus was innocent" forwards, but I could be hearing things...

The only thing I hear for sure is "Jesus".

[jugheadsjonesin]

The really funny thing is that's not even original. Anybody here ever listen to Mindless Self Indulgence (which is genius in its absurdity)? the song backmask backwards has backwards masking on the vocals. The forward lyrics say to kill your self and your family and leave a river of blood, or some such thing and then tells you to listen to the record backwards. when you reverse the song, you hear a voice tell you to eat all your vegetables, listen to your mom and dad, go to bed when they tell you, etc.

[blackandwhite]

You're just hearing what you want to hear. Somehow, you got it in your head that there is a meaning to this song being reversed, and clung on to anything that sounded remotely familiar. There may be something to playing this song in reverse, but you'd have to have an unbiased person hear it.

[AMF]

You're just hearing what you want to hear. Somehow, you got it in your head that there is a meaning to this song being reversed, and clung on to anything that sounded remotely familiar. There may be something to playing this song in reverse, but you'd have to have an unbiased person hear it.

Yup. One of the main pratfalls of people interpreting Tool songs that I find is that sometimes people have a set of thoughts and ideas and think they can apply it to any song because they're already convinced that's what its about. This leads into some of the WAY off-base conclusions people are drawing about some songs here when I'm reading these interpretations. There is a point between analyzing construvtively and "over-analyzing".....they warned us about that in Lateralus, an album chock to the brim with symbolism and mysteries and such. With 10,000 Days there's a lot of trippy stuff for sure, but I don't think they want us to dissect it by tying it down and beating it with a stick. Danny's remark about this being their "blues" of sorts makes me think more that most of the stuff here is based around experience rather than some of the more abstract themes present on Lateralus. Both contain great, rich material to be interpreted, but overdoing it loses the value of the music itself. There must be a balance between being able to critically analyze the music as well as just sheer enjoyment. Tool are a rock/metal band first and foremost, but they give us other things to think about;) The key is to apply it to your own life and make an impact, that's what I think.

[fartbender]

i was listening with headphones today and generally when i listen to this song with headphones, i'm walking down the street so i don't hear everything as clearly as possible, but then today i started the album at a different point so when i heard intension, it wasn't quite so loud and noticed the backwards effects. so my plan was to come home and see if anyone found it before, and luckily i didn't have to reverse it myself thanks to the fine folk here on the board. i agree with what dude said about over analyzing, however what does that have to do with this thread? yeah people do it, but i don't think the fact that someone heard the same thing i did and told others about it means they're overanalyzing...i think that soapbox post could have been warranted in another thread, but come on...

[blackandwhite]

i was listening with headphones today and generally when i listen to this song with headphones, i'm walking down the street so i don't hear everything as clearly as possible, but then today i started the album at a different point so when i heard intension, it wasn't quite so loud and noticed the backwards effects. so my plan was to come home and see if anyone found it before, and luckily i didn't have to reverse it myself thanks to the fine folk here on the board. i agree with what dude said about over analyzing, however what does that have to do with this thread? yeah people do it, but i don't think the fact that someone heard the same thing i did and told others about it means they're overanalyzing...i think that soapbox post could have been warranted in another thread, but come on...


i think a quote from the movie The Sentinel explains this:

"Once you get a thought in your mind, you only see the evidence you want to see."

[inSin]

http://www.myspace.com/toolbackmaskers

[EdwardJamesKeenan]

oh my god that is fucking freaky! i swear they say carpe diem at the beginning but at the end he definatley say "work hard, stay in school"!

[xXAtaraxiaXx]

oh my god that is fucking freaky! i swear they say carpe diem at the beginning but at the end he definatley say "work hard, stay in school"!
I think I heard carpe diem or something like that too

[Amalexus]

Its also interesting to note (although this may seem a little offkey and abstract) how in the artwork booklet of the album, maynard is looking into a mirror, you know, the whole reverse thing in mirror. I dont know, just a random thought.

[Cucumber_11]

You're just hearing what you want to hear. Somehow, you got it in your head that there is a meaning to this song being reversed, and clung on to anything that sounded remotely familiar. There may be something to playing this song in reverse, but you'd have to have an unbiased person hear it.

In most cases you'd be right. But...have you listened to the reversed clip? It is proper backmasking, as in it has been recorded forwards and then reversed, just like that pink floyd one. It is nothing like the Britney Spears or Stairway or queen backmasking, it is something inserted, the others are coincedences.

:P

[LetGoLetgoLetGo]

Yeah, its blatantly obvious. Whilst listening to this song from start to finish (instead of finish to start), you can hear the backwards vocals. This isnt about seeing what you want or what you are looking for. Period.

ALSO, during Lateralus' "spiral out, keep going", reversed sounds like "spiral out, keep going". Not nearly as distinguishable as Intension, and probably not intentional, but I thought I'd throw my two pennies in to the mix.

[Buffalo]

Hmmm, why didn't he say "don't do drugs", or "Jesus is Lord"???

[æmoeba•°·.]

the link to the "myspace" site worked but the song wasn't on there, only some rap.

[hushypushy]

i re-encoded/reuploaded the 30 second clip from earlier, it's a 128kbps mp3, not the greatest quality but it's a small download if you want to hear it:

http://hushy.flaretech.net/music/intensionhiddenmessage.mp3

[holymackerel]

Melvinman5000: theres an MSI song with backwards "do your homework, eat your vegetables, brush your teeth, and clean your room"

[hushypushy]

i love how you quoted the person who said it on aim

[holymackerel]

i love how you quoted the person who said it on aim
Melvinman5000: backmask warning
Melvinman5000: the first line is "play this record backwards theres a message over the sucker, play this record backwards then go fuck yourself"
Melvinman5000: "all the people you love in a river of blood and dont forget the guns youre gonna need em to go kill yourself"

[JOK3R]

definitely hear the message on intension. pretty cool.

[æmoeba•°·.]

now i hear it, i thank you and that was excitingly interesting

[Fulcanelli]

still hilarious to me. in fact, if anyone DOESN'T find this hilarious (or even one further, if you take it SERIOUSLY), kill yourself.

Of course because Tool are too cool to give people a positive message. * rolls eyes *

What's wrong with you? This is a joke, of course, because people expect "evil" words to come out of backwards messages. However, this is also a joke because their message is positive and constructive, which tends to upset badasses such as you.

[he kept her hid away]

I remember Victims Family doing this on "anti satan song for mom" off of white bread blues, something about a cow, but for the life of me I can't remember the whole backwards message... ah yes just found it "I hope you break your needle, Tipper. You cow." what a hoot!

[he kept her hid away]

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-backward-messages

seems like everyone's at it... even jefferson starship!

[hushypushy]

obviously this pwns anything Tool can say

http://subliminal.ytmnd.com/

[æmoeba•°·.]

i did here the word "...forgive..." but i couldn't match sins...or Jesus was a faint sound..

[eslupminoyler]

Anything about Jesus would match the music.

[PriceisRight]

The message is in reverse.

I GOT IT!!!!!! HERES THE ENTIRE MESSAGE IN REVERSE

WORK HARD, Stay in School, listen to your mother, your father is wise,
work hard, stay in School.. Listen to your mother, your father is right.

thats the message...if you listen under the wispering sounds you hear it.

[SysTooL]

Yeah, Maynard is clearly saying it...

[PriceisRight]

obviously this pwns anything Tool can say

http://subliminal.ytmnd.com/

dude...ytmnd totally rox my sox out loud yo!

:P

[visualtim]

Big discovery, you're going to hate me.

The beginning of the song, the whispering...it's all backwards. I was trying to figure out the words of the whispers, then I'm thinking "Wait, the breath, it's all wrong...it's backwards."

Lo and behold, one of the lines says "Stay in School", "Listen to your Mother". "Your Father is right"
I can't tell the other one. Sounds like "cars" or "carts" or "cards".


<edit>
Haha, it's already been posted. Rats, not quick enough to the draw.

[Lysanderdarkstar]

i dunno how MJK does it... if i were him i'd use my powers of mad lyrical creation for evil.
wikkid find.... keep up the good work (or i'll kill you) :D

[P1_PP1_N]

i love opeth!

me too!

Ever hear Opeth backwards? It's htepO...

[smeefsmeef]

Hmmm, why didn't he say "don't do drugs", or "Jesus is Lord"???

Because Jesus does drugs

[CurtSchilling]

Don't know what it is. But could it be:

Here we have a stone
Gather, place, erase, our
shelter turned to home


This is best of both worlds (erase so / a razor) and 'our' fits nicely with all the 'we's'

Daniel

[Rhymic]

I always thought it was something like

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather in place, it rains soon
Sheltered us a home

It almost sounds like "gather a place" and then "arrange so" or something like that. I think it is "sheltered us a home" though. When you say sheltered us, it sounds like shelter-duss. Just use that in rhythm. I could be wrong though...

[Emerald69]

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather place, a race soon
Shelter turned to home

[Neel]

I had the same thought about "race" (I didn't pick up on "soon" though). I just made a thread about it here: http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=63609 .

I don't know if people have thought that before you or I did (because I won't read a 6 page thread that is 90% the same thing repeated again and again), but I think that its a good interpretation of the lyrics, and I state why in my thread (and how it ties in with Right in Two).

[duncang]

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather, place, erase
Soon shelter turns to home

[benjamin]

Gather place n rain, soon
Shelter turns to home
Move by will alone
Pure as we begin""

...that's the "feeling" I get from that line, I feel it should say "Gather in place in the rain, soon. Shelter turns to home." but obviously the first "in" and the "the" are absent...do you get the feeling this song doesn't "lead into" Right in Two, but is rather a mirror image. Think about "move by will alone & Pure as we begin" it's kind of opposite the whole "angles on the sideline"/creationizm of R.i.T.

Alas, my lil'ns don't like this song, so I can't consult them for you like I know you want.

Peace.

[undeniable dilemma]

I was looking at the lyrics for this song and there is an obvious mistake:

Spark becomes a flame
Flame becomes a fire
Light the way or warm this
Hope we occupy

"Hope" should be "home". If one pays attention to the lyrics, one could deduce that it is indeed "home".

[mokarran]

I'm hearing this:

'Pure as we begin/here we have a stone/gather, place and raise, soon/shelter turns to home.'

[spacemonkeyadb]

I'm hearing this:

'Pure as we begin/here we have a stone/gather, place and raise, soon/shelter turns to home.'
I like it. Good suggestion.

[There is no spoon]

makes sense to me. Where can I downad a program that allows me to play backwards? (sorry if it was already said, but I have a hard time scrolling through pages from work)

[ObliviousHypocrite]

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather place, a race soon
Shelter turned to home

This is exactly what I hear, except "turned=turns". Makes sense, too. First you merely have a shelter. If this shelter is in a good location, it becomes a gathering place. Once you start connecting to the places and people around you (race), your shelter becomes "home", and home is something you'll defend (against strangers).

"Gather, place, and raise" also makes sence in the context.

[mokarran]

Pure as we begin.
Pure as we come in.
Pure as we begin.
Move by will alone.

Pure as we begin. Here, we have a stone.
Gather, place and raise, soon...shelter turns to home.

Pure as we begin. Here, we have a stone.
Throw to stay (as in to stop or hold back) the stranger.
Swore to crush his bones.

Move by will alone.

Spark becomes a flame.
Flame becomes a fire.
Light the way or warm this home we occupy.

Spark becomes a flame.
Flame becomes a fire.
Forge a blade to slay the stranger...take whatever we desire.

Move by will alone.

Pure as we begin.

Pure as we begin.
Through the will alone.
Leave as we came in...pure as light, return to One.

Move by will alone.

Move by will alone.

This is very quickly becoming my 3rd favorite song on this CD, right after Right in Two and 10,000 Days. To me though, it isn't about the evolution of man. To me, it is about perversion in the context of this CD. It is so easy for us to take something that can mean 'home' in the simplest sense (shelter, fire, loved ones) and use those same things to rend and destroy, and it started at our basalmost level. And it sums up the entire record. The 'law' (or at least the 'law' that I hear being cut on Right in Two) of loving one another is perverted in so many ways.

[Tool Gawlo]

On the beganing of the song, about 0:30 to 1:30, I can hear something like: Listen (to me), Listen. It is the same place where is backword message, but played forward.
What do you think?

[wearethestories]

"Gather, place, and raise"

damn.
just listening and caught onto that one.
came here quick to post and self-congratulate.
damn.

[ashdelecour]

Here is what I hear. Words in parantheses are the words still undetermined.

Pure as we begin
Pure as we come in
Pure as we begin
Pure by will alone

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather, place,(erase,so)
Shelter turned to home

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Throw to stay the stranger
Swore to crush his bones

Move by will alone

Spark becomes a flame
Flame becomes a fire
Light the way or warm this
Hope we occupy

Spark becomes a flame
Flame becomes a fire
Forge a blade to slay the stranger
Take whatever we desire

Move by will alone

Pure as we begin

Pure as we begin
Move by will alone
Leave as we come in
Pure as light, return to one

Move by will alone (x2)

[wearethestories]

gather, place, and RAISE, so
[a] shelter turned to home --------- or something to that effect


[thinking here that the shelter becoming a home is "raised" up from the stones used]

[benjamin]

Gather [in] place in [the] rain soon
Shelter turns to home

That's what I hear. Kinda like, explaining how/why we sought shelter...

Word

[imaduh]

I like the :

Gather, place, and raise..

theory as it seems to reflect the creation of agriculture as being the primary motivator for nomadic peoples to settle down. Or "raise" could be used in the context of child rearing and protection, thus establishing a householdwith a distinct familial lineage.

For a while I was hearing:

Gather, place, arrange...

As it fit the context of making a shelter habitable and comfortable enough to become a home. Plus...Maynard is into Fung Shui.

[Eulogy33]

... or my take on them... help me make them better.
...i fixed the missing lyrics up here.

thanks Fist Fck

pure as we begin
pure as we come in
pure as we begin
pure by will alone

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
gather, place, erase, so
shelter turned to home

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
throw to stay the stranger
swore to crush his bones

move by will alone

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
light the way or warm this
hope we occupy

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
forge a blade to slay the stranger
take whatever we desire

move by will alone

pure as we begin

pure as we begin
move by will alone
leave as we come in
pure as light, return to one

move by will alone
move by will alone


it's not "pure by will alone" in the 1st stanza, it's "MOVE by will alone"

[Mael]

I'm hearing this:

'Pure as we begin/here we have a stone/gather, place and raise, soon/shelter turns to home.'

I agree..

i though it was "Gather, "pure as we begin

'Raise' makes sense.. you raise stones to make a shelter which when occupied in harmony becomes home..

the progression becomes.. Here we have A stone (single).. Gather, place and RAISE.. (many stones assembled and arranged to make the rudiments of a shelter from the elements or predators etc).. Shelter turns to home.. (culimination.. from single stone to home)

Also when taken in the context of the song.. where a stone can serve a positive function as a say construction material or an outlet for an artistic urge (rock paintings) a stone can also serve a negative function when seen in the later verses:

"Here we have a stone.. Throw to slay/ stay the stranger.."

May I say wow? ;P

[wearethestories]

I agree..

i though it was "Gather, "pure as we begin

'Raise' makes sense.. you raise stones to make a shelter which when occupied in harmony becomes home..

the progression becomes.. Here we have A stone (single).. Gather, place and RAISE.. (many stones assembled and arranged to make the rudiments of a shelter from the elements or predators etc).. Shelter turns to home.. (culimination.. from single stone to home)

Also when taken in the context of the song.. where a stone can serve a positive function as a say construction material or an outlet for an artistic urge (rock paintings) a stone can also serve a negative function when seen in the later verses:

"Here we have a stone.. Throw to slay/ stay the stranger.."

May I say wow? ;P
I like what you said here.

I said much the same thing on this thread: http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=1748288&postcount=1

(it's a bit long, but I think it's worth it)

[Dez 46&2]

this song is great. any ideas on what program i can use on a dilaup conectoion to hera it backwards?

[Schema]

this song is great. any ideas on what program i can use on a dilaup conectoion to hera it backwards?

Google GoldWave - it's pretty small as I recall.

I'd like to challenge the lyrics.

Parts in bold differ from the lyrics on the site.
Words in brackets with no slash are filled in from lyrics on the site.
Words in brackets with a slash show a few possibilities I see.

Pure as we begin
Pure as we come in
Pure as we begin
Pure by will alone

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather, place, [and raze a/erase a]
Shelter turned to home

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Throw to stay the stranger
[Swore] to crush his bones

Move by will alone

(etc.)

"Swore" makes some sense in this case, but I'm not sure what it is - there's probably something which makes a little more sense here.

The "and" in "and raze a" might be uncertain.

Just a guess.

[will see you auntie]

I hear
......here we have a stone, gather, place & arrange so shelter turns to home

[Caduceus11]

gather, place, arrange, so, shelter turns to home....yea that's the ticket.

[Erelyes]

My opinion. The biggest difference i notice is marked with an asterisk. I cannot believe that Maynard is saying "hope"... it sounds blatantly like "home". Plus, the song already refers to the shelter being turned into a home.. it just makes 100 times more sense. Comments?

pure as we begin
pure as we come in
pure as we begin
pure by will alone

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
gather, place, and raise, so
shelter turns to home

pure as we begin
here we have a stone
throw to slay the stranger
sworn to crush his bones

move by will alone

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
light the way or warm this
home we occupy ****

spark becomes a flame
flame becomes a fire
forge a blade to slay the stranger
take whatever we desire

(etc)

[osensei75]

Allright you all pay attention-----
2nd verse sez: "........here we have a stone/ gather, place, ARRANGE SO,/ shelter
turns to home...
-as in: gathering stones, placing & arranging just so to build a shelter...got it?,good.

peace

[Inner_Eulogy]

Allright you all pay attention-----
2nd verse sez: "........here we have a stone/ gather, place, ARRANGE SO,/ shelter
turns to home...
-as in: gathering stones, placing & arranging just so to build a shelter...got it?,good.

peace

lol...*facepalm*

[elusivEuphoria]

Pure as we begin
Pure as we come in
Pure as we begin
Moved by will alone

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather, place, and raise a
Shelter turned to home

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Throw to stay the stranger
Swore to crush his bones

Move by will alone

Spark becomes a flame
Flame becomes a fire
Light the way or warm this
Home we occupy

Spark becomes a flame
Flame becomes a fire
Forge a blade to slay the stranger
Take whatever we desire

Move by will alone

Pure as we begin
Pure as we begin
Move by will alone
Leave as we came in
Pure as light, return to one

Move by will alone

It seems pretty obvious to me that the wordplay here presents a duality in reference to the Intension of mankind. If a man is given a stone, or given a spark... that man can use these things to do something either positive, constructive and helpful or to do something negative, destructive and harmful. So the biggest suggestion i would make is that it's "Gather, place and raise a shelter turned to home". Which is all constructive and helpful, literally. Then when given the spark.... "Light the way or warm this home we occupy". I see no metaphor in this song. It's all very straight forward and literal.

Also, in the beginning he says "Moved by will alone" not "Pure by will alone". Cmon... thats pretty easy to hear the difference.

EDIT: Okay totally glazed over the suggestion of "Gather, place, arrange so... blah blah blah" ... I could hear that too and it means pretty much the same thing. I just hate reading lyrics on youtube and elsewhere that say its something like "erase" "razor" or even worse "eraise so" wtf does that mean?

[benjamin]

"...gather place in rain soon, shelter turns to home..."

Necesity driving invention

[bobmoandfriend21]

I hear
......here we have a stone, gather, place & arrange so shelter turns to home

thats exactly what im hearin too

[fan of Elohim]

Is it just me? Or does mr. keenan like to swap out lyrics every other live performance? Maybe they just want to make every show as special, unique and particular as they can for us. My moment of clarity was live at shoreline. "...And you will come to find that we are all one mind. Capable of all ends. Imagine it all conceivable...“ - as opposed to "capable of all thats imagined and all conceivable". I know, I know... Idiosyncrasies. Sorry, wrong song, anyway...
This is what I pick up on.

Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Gather place or race, soon
Shelter turns to home

To acquire and sustain a home in meso-paleolithic era one might simply acquire one of two things. A; a large and or bountiful enough land area. Or simply, the inverse, B; enough manpower to squeeze blood out a fuckin turnip, so to speak. These were particularly small to medium sized nomadic groups that followed the food, seasons and so forth, until settling. Finding first a source of food, then a place of shelter to be near it. These peoples primarily stemed out of Africa, into Eastern Asia.

Thus, "gather place"- a large enough plentiful area to accommodate those few incumbents.

"or race"- enough people to hunt and gather to effectively feed the group.

This makes pretty good sense to me.

[fan of Elohim]

Ps, if ur in area "tight" enough to barely feed your own... It makes sense to throw a stone to stay the stranger. Even better yet, forge a blade to slay the stranger. And take whatever we desire. After all, we're ruled by will alone.

[theeleusinian]

here's my best guess, as influenced by my own psyche and its projection onto MJK.

I don't know that I'm hearing him properly, but I heard him in the following way, with the emphasis on the "moved" v. "move" by will alone.

I then interpreted the Earth (stone) verses as "moved" by will alone, and the Fire verses as "move" being to emphasize the difference in nature between the two sorts of wills. The difference in quality between violence of necessity - intimidation and yelling, like bears and raccoons and monkeys etc. (Earth), and of wantonness and purely human nature - killing and stealing (Fire), for example. And one layer deeper in meaning, as I add more and more of my own bullshit to it, I believe he's also emphasizing that even when we think we are moving of our own will, there is only one will... We begin pure, we end pure, and the free will we think we have to make mistakes is at the least temporary, so ..




Pure as we begin,
Pure as we come in,
Pure as we begin,
Moved by will alone.

Pure as we begin,
Here we have a stone,
Gather place and raise so
Shelter turns to home.

Pure as we begin,
Here we have a stone,
Thrown to stay the stranger,
Swore to crush his bones,

Moved by will alone.

Spark becomes a flame,
Flame becomes a fire,
Light the way or warm this
home we occupy.

Spark becomes a flame,
Flame becomes a fire,
Forge a blade to slay the stranger,
Take whatever we desire.

Move by will alone.

Pure as we begin.

Pure as we begin,
Moved by will alone,
Leave as we come in,
Pure as light we turn to one.

Moved by will alone.

Move by will alone.


... as for the backwards-playing whispers in the background. Maybe I'll DL a program to play it backwards, but I imagine it's meant to be something like the way will manifests - as whispers, thoughts, impulses, feelings (not emotions), etc. the spontaneously-appearing Logos in our heads. But again, more el. bullshit, less MJK.

[theeleusinian]

Sorry. I do remember reading, now experimentally verified. "Work hard. Stay in school. Listen to your mother. Your father is right." - the backwards lyrics.

Oh sweet irony. There's that (Water) will. The longing/need to be in civilization. The SuperEgo, if you prefer... but much more.

[theeleusinian]

LIKE ME! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LIKE ME! LOOK AT ME!

That's the water, too. But it's important. It's necessary. Because in the water we see our reflections..

[fernygii]

lol


subliminal messages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLV-CEZa1Pk&feature=related

[dancingflame]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1OZCHixR0

here we have a stone?

:D

[Omega4]

At the very end of this song I can clearly hear maynard whispering "Put your dick in my mouth"... Does anybody else hear this? This is no joke... if this is not common I will post my copy of the song. Its the actual cd!!! Not a copy!!!

[Mohandas_Rand]

Gather [in] place in [the] rain soon
Shelter turns to home

That's what I hear. Kinda like, explaining how/why we sought shelter...

Word

This is similar to what I hear. I hear 'Gathering place in the rain, so shelter turns to home'.

I also think it makes the most sense with the rest of the lyrics.

[Lateralareallofus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1OZCHixR0

here we have a stone?

:D

what a moving part of the movie. In my head, Intension always conjures up this kind of scenario. even the lighting of the horizon seems familiar to my vision of this song. Tool may have done done this on purpose. right in two ties in nicely with the end of that clip.

[Mohandas_Rand]

Also, instead of 'swore to crush his bones' I got 'swung to crush his bones'.

I think it makes more sense.

[ReapersFriend]

Wait, if Maynard tells us the message in reverse, that means he wants us to do the opposite of what he's saying. Fuck yeah! I'm drpping out of school and am never listening to my parents again!

i seriously doubt with the knowledge that maynard holds, hes telling you to drop out.
Just saying

[Neurotripsicks]

gather place and raise, so
shelter turns to home



I like that

[GrimReefer]

gather place and raise, so
shelter turns to home

Yeah, that's probably it. I just don't feel like "erase" is the right word, not that it doesn't fit into what i hear, but "and raise" fits better in that you wouldn't erase something to turn it from shelter to home, but to raise something you would indeed.