10,000 days is not the real title. (long read)

[Carny_Handles]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..


Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.

The skepticism progressed with the new title, but eventually most came around to truly believe the title would in fact become 10,000 days. While I was laying on my bed today looking around my room I noticed two things came to my consciousness.

1. I have a print of Alex gray’s 'interbeing' and the skulls with the fetus in their head who are then attached to 'the one', i'll call it, are the same skulls found in the leaked album art booklet (which is legit).

2. I also noticed in another tool poster i have the same flower of life image is at the bottom of that very page from the booklet. I know some of you may think that every page of the booklet contains that same image of the flower of life, it's not so. As someone mentioned in that thread it is a 'flip book' style booklet with regards to the flower 'evolving'.

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.


Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.

[electribe1]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..





Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.

Interesting...but i have a feeling the title IS 10,000 days especially with all the evidence out there to support it

[Spaceman Spiff]

Okay, thanks.

[Vaginal Replicator]

Yea, i'm sure we can all pretty much say that the title is "10,000 Days" because if you just look around, the title is everywhere, poster, magazines, stores, online stores, everywhere.

[Cucumber_11]

It is perfectly feasible for an album to change its name before its release. They could technically do it at any time, with little effect to the band other than a few annoyed people.

I do have a feeling that the title is true though. Like a cist, its grown on me.

[Goldfoot]

Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.

Now, I didn't even read your post, but I saw this part in a quote down the page. I'll save a couple things that have overly convinced me that 10,000 Days IS the real title. I honestly don't care what it is, but it's 10,000 Days.

[kyyuulle]

the new album title will be 10,000 days.

end of fucking story

[Carny_Handles]

..and if its not?

how can you guys be so sure, has tool ever tricked us before? nahh, not ever right? Do you have the CD in your hands? I thought not. Has tool ever gone to such extremes to prevent an album leak? hm? Why not make it fun for a few right.


I know you guys are skeptics, but in a few weeks we will know for sure.

[Rexmentula]

Tool has been to straightforward lately...they're up to something.

[Goldfoot]

Yeah, WE'RE the skeptics........

Anyway, a fake album title doesn't prevent a leak.

[orange.juice]

Yea, i'm sure we can all pretty much say that the title is "10,000 Days" because if you just look around, the title is everywhere, poster, magazines, stores, online stores, everywhere.
not to mention Sony BMG's website. i just can't imagine that they would be in on this one. The album is coming out in two weeks. It's too late now.

[reverend resistor]

I know you guys are skeptics, but in a few weeks we will know for sure.

Exactly, a few weeks, so stop posting your theories and fucking WAIT.

[Carny_Handles]

Exactly, a few weeks, so stop posting your theories and fucking WAIT.



what good woud my post had been if i posted it after the title change and track change? not too exciting now would it have been.

[reverend resistor]

what good woud my post had been if i posted it after the title change and track change? not too exciting now would it have been.

It's not too exciting as of right now either, considering the title is 10,000 Days.

[KlepTIK]

Let it go

[reverend resistor]

On seconds thought Carny, I think you're actually right! Man, you totally called their bluff dude. When the radio stations go to recieve Vicarious off of the secure server, it's going to be in a .rar file with a .txt that says

"Hey guys,

The album's name and tracklisting are totally fake! LOL

The real title of this song is "XXXtra Large Pancake", for real. No lies this time! We wouldn't lie to you, our beloved radio friends, just our fans who provide us with money... Two weeks remaining until the album drops nontheless! What losers! Heh.

Enjoy!

<3 Maynard"

[rsh]

Carny should bet all his money on his theory...

[mutualusing]

folks are really paranoid these days.
i bet they forget to put cds in the cases before shipping.

[lachrymoIogy]

Carny should bet all his money on his theory... i'll see that bet.

[Semp]

Took some balls to drop a post like that in this kind of climate. I'm not sure I agree with 10,000 Days not being the title, but I fucking like your idea about 2012. I'm 22 now, so in 2012 I will be roughly 28. I'm not sure how much water it holds, but fuck it, I'm quite fond of 2012 theories of all stripes. Nice thinking.

[Dredg]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..


Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.

The skepticism progressed with the new title, but eventually most came around to truly believe the title would in fact become 10,000 days. While I was laying on my bed today looking around my room I noticed two things came to my consciousness.

1. I have a print of Alex gray’s 'interbeing' and the skulls with the fetus in their head who are then attached to 'the one', i'll call it, are the same skulls found in the leaked album art booklet (which is legit).

2. I also noticed in another tool poster i have the same flower of life image is at the bottom of that very page from the booklet. I know some of you may think that every page of the booklet contains that same image of the flower of life, it's not so. As someone mentioned in that thread it is a 'flip book' style booklet with regards to the flower 'evolving'.

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.


Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.

and all this 10,000 day hoax thinking stems from what? Oh right, your problem with the fact that 10,000 days is the title of the album. For some retarded reason you don't like the title, why? Is it not a made up word? You know the concept of the album and feel it doesnt correlate with feel of the album? The title doesnt compare with Link Park's album name?

What is your god damn malfunction?!

[Spongebob]

ok Carny_Handles, im signing you up to this list here:

http://www.toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=39360

[praefector]

i didnt laugh

your theory is nice and all...but it doesnt do much to counteract all of the "10,000 days themed" adverts and promos going around . your evidence isnt compelling at all: tool fans are too young to have their album titled "10,000 days"? do you really think tool is considering the average age of their audience when naming an album...i think not.

ive got nothing against you or your post it doesnt make me believe the album will be titled something other than "10,000 days" and until some real info to the contrary from the band comes to the surface, 10,000 days is what i believe.

[macfreak]

Interesting...but i have a feeling the title IS 10,000 days especially with all the evidence out there to support it
10,000 days can´t be fake now, may 2nd to close

[a_sirian_in_agony]

dude..i still think 10000 days is fucking fake....i dig the theory

[El Scorcho]

Yeah. I will not buy 10000 Days as the title until the album is in my hands with that title on it. I'm not sure I like the theory (what's with the 2012 stuff?) but I agree they are fucking with us, big time.

Self-titled album, bitches.

[shockpoint]

Exactly why you should never post after a long session of heavy drugs.

[Goldfoot]

It's 10,000 Days. Why are people still arguing this? Sony.ca has a fucking site with it plastered all over.

[a_sirian_in_agony]

NEVER BELIEVE THE PRESS!!!

[zavlin]

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.



I dont understand where your arguement that the title is fake is. Its fake because their peak demographic would be 10000 days old in 2012??????? what?????

[Carny_Handles]

hmm good point. I was stoned out of my mind while i wrote that. After thinking about where i was and what i thought while in that place and where I am now (sober) I actually think the 10,000 day title fits alot better due to what i mentioned above. ..im still not sure about the song titles though.. :D I still think those might be fake, but im pretty convinced now that 10,000 days is the real title. It fits pretty well. I also think the new album will be a 2012 themed album.

[Spongebob]

too bad carny handles, if it ends up to be 10,000 days you still have to post porn and get banned.

[Carny_Handles]

aww again?

[Spongebob]

the album is called 10,000 days.

90/91 stupid new n00b members of TDN agree.

[svet-am]

I have to admit that I was one of the holdouts for a while -- i really didn't think that TOOL would go with a title like 10,000 Days. This was espescially true when the new TOOL logo really looked like it said FOOL.

However, after hearing the title in the context of the leaked lyrics ("10000 Days in the fire is long enough"), I've become a believer. The thing that really got me is all of the promotional material that is out there, namely the "4 Days to Vicarious" site that Sony did. Doing a Flash site of that quality is not cheap and I seriously doubt Sony would foot a bill like that just for a hoax.

I still don't like some of the titles (Lost Keys, Rosetta Stoned) but I haven't heard them yet.

At this point, it would be really expensive to change the title of the record and have to update all of the promotional material that's been printed, so that leads me to believe that the tracklisting and album name are legit.

CONSPIRACY THEORIST NOTE:
All of the above operates on the assumption that actual promotional material has been created. However, there have been no confirmed reports of anyone actually seeing a REAL poster or a REAL flyer anywhere. Yes, we have scans and photos, but those could easily be generated digitally and then circulated if the band had a mind to. Even the Sony site, while expensive, could theoretically be faked since it is all digital and replacing digital stuff is a lot easier than replacing real tangible printed materials.

The point of this note is that TOOL could be making an allusion to the political climate in the U.S. (since they've stated in interviews that this album is political). By that, I mean that the Bush administration has often fabricated stories and 'evidence' to justify its desires to do certain things (such as the domestic wiretapping and the war in Iraq). Most Americans believed Bush at the time simply because Bush said 'i'm telling the truth, so trust me..." TOOL has effectively done the same thing by making Blair and the TOOLBand site our only 'official' source of information.

:END CONSPIRACY THEORIST NOTE

I'm not by any means stating that this conspiracy theory is correct, but I am playing devil's advocate and trying to show an alternative way of looking at things.

[ObviousParadox]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..


Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.

The skepticism progressed with the new title, but eventually most came around to truly believe the title would in fact become 10,000 days. While I was laying on my bed today looking around my room I noticed two things came to my consciousness.

1. I have a print of Alex gray’s 'interbeing' and the skulls with the fetus in their head who are then attached to 'the one', i'll call it, are the same skulls found in the leaked album art booklet (which is legit).

2. I also noticed in another tool poster i have the same flower of life image is at the bottom of that very page from the booklet. I know some of you may think that every page of the booklet contains that same image of the flower of life, it's not so. As someone mentioned in that thread it is a 'flip book' style booklet with regards to the flower 'evolving'.

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.


Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.

wrong.

[tangent]

Thank god someone else thinks for themselves. Looking forward to less idiotic speculation.

[Jayar]

if everyone thinks for themselves then that's not really thinking for yourself now is it hmmm?

[tangent]

Hah, not really... If you think for youself you aren't thinking for anyone else and eventually if everyone thought for themselves we would all come to the same truth. But sure I must only be a n00b who knows nothing... Ignore my ideas... Actually consider your own maybe and only your own.

[matthias9]

I think it's probably 10,000 Days. But i thought of the 2012 theme too. But isn't that also about the same time as Saturn's orbit?

[Kurt Russell]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..


Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.

The skepticism progressed with the new title, but eventually most came around to truly believe the title would in fact become 10,000 days. While I was laying on my bed today looking around my room I noticed two things came to my consciousness.

1. I have a print of Alex gray’s 'interbeing' and the skulls with the fetus in their head who are then attached to 'the one', i'll call it, are the same skulls found in the leaked album art booklet (which is legit).

2. I also noticed in another tool poster i have the same flower of life image is at the bottom of that very page from the booklet. I know some of you may think that every page of the booklet contains that same image of the flower of life, it's not so. As someone mentioned in that thread it is a 'flip book' style booklet with regards to the flower 'evolving'.

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.


Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.
hahahaha. Dude....... that's like the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[stardown]

hmmm. yeah....

[Zeus]

I'll be 37 this year, I guess i don't fit the 10,000 days demographic. I'm fucked.

[Volrath]

10,000 days is the real title. (short read)

[Opiate_Mass]

first of im going to start by saying a lot of you will laugh this post, some however will understand completely where im coming from.

..enjoy..


Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.

The skepticism progressed with the new title, but eventually most came around to truly believe the title would in fact become 10,000 days. While I was laying on my bed today looking around my room I noticed two things came to my consciousness.

1. I have a print of Alex gray’s 'interbeing' and the skulls with the fetus in their head who are then attached to 'the one', i'll call it, are the same skulls found in the leaked album art booklet (which is legit).

2. I also noticed in another tool poster i have the same flower of life image is at the bottom of that very page from the booklet. I know some of you may think that every page of the booklet contains that same image of the flower of life, it's not so. As someone mentioned in that thread it is a 'flip book' style booklet with regards to the flower 'evolving'.

Anyways back to the 28 years thing. Tool being the spiritual yet also marketing genus that they are took what would probably be the peak demographics age for those who are tool fans. I believe this board is a huge skew of data with regards to that, it seems like most people here are on the younger end of the spectrum. Its my belief that the majority of tool fans are in their mid twenties or 'close' to it. Which would mean in the year 2012 the majority of mid 20 something’s would be 28 years of age when 2012 rolls around. This would act as a spark for those 20 something who are inclined to spiritual synchronicities to take this album as a themed album related to the concepts of 2012.

Now for the slight leap. I think tool is just priming us and will change the album title and track names to fit a 2012 theme better.


Commence laughing. I will keep a link to this in my signature for future ass kissery. ..and save it on hard disk :) incase a mod deletes it and i'll post it later going SEE.
are you on some severe drugs?

[kubrick]

Tool announced (3-3-06) that the album title would be 10,000 days. At first many hated the title, but it still got us thinking 'what could it mean.' some thought it was a link to Jesus. I personally am a numbers guy, I recognize synchronicities with numbers all the time. 10,000 days = about 28 years.. just keep that in mind for the following.


Just as an observation, the orbit of Saturn is roughly 27.9 years.....Take of that what you will.

[tangent]

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?p=919742#post919742

[lankytones76]

approximately 10,000 days before May 2nd, widespread cable television was introduced...

[dagtool]

Oh, 10,000 days is the title. The track names are correct. The album is beautiful

[magnolia]

Real title is "2112". It's a Rush cover album.

[Unstuck in Time]

Real title is "2112". It's a Rush cover album.
They could do it.

[WearingVans501s]

approximately 10,000 days before May 2nd, widespread cable television was introduced...



kabirs said that the lyrics after "10000 days in the fire is long enough" will tell you what the meaning is behind the title....

[Carny_Handles]

still think im crazy? alot of people are thinking this 10,000 days 'leak' is a hoax. :D

[livingdecay]

Wow. You're quite the presumtuous one, Carny.
Just look at your god-damn sig.
It's laughable.

[Etch_Coli]

The only thing that has me questioning the validity of 10k days is the Guitar World Interview with Adam. He refers to a song called "Those Shoes" in which he plays a talk box solo. Now, Jambi has a talk box solo, but I thought it odd that he specifically named that one track(Which I havent heard of anywhere else mind you). Regardless I think 10k days is amazing.

[livingdecay]

Etch, they do that to mask the real titles. It's a codename.

[eddie75]

The only thing that has me questioning the validity of 10k days is the Guitar World Interview with Adam. He refers to a song called "Those Shoes" in which he plays a talk box solo. Now, Jambi has a talk box solo, but I thought it odd that he specifically named that one track(Which I havent heard of anywhere else mind you). Regardless I think 10k days is amazing.
Those shoes is an eagles song. He was talking about how Joe Walsh used the talk box in those shoes, not that tool has a song called those shoes.

[s62]

You guys need to lay off the acid.

[livingdecay]

LDaora? Dakrfga.

[Opiate Son]

approximately 10,000 days before May 2nd, widespread cable television was introduced...



that's one of the more sensible ideas i've seen yet

[tangent]

still think im crazy? alot of people are thinking this 10,000 days 'leak' is a hoax. :D

:D http://angelfire.com/planet/tool

Like this person!?!?

[livingdecay]

Bang a gong, Tangent.

[sinfall]

Those shoes is an eagles song. He was talking about how Joe Walsh used the talk box in those shoes, not that tool has a song called those shoes.


have you read the article? it specifically says

"I think the talkbox on [the 10,000 days track] "Those Shoes" is really amazing, especially how the harmonies are in each speaker. I'm really happy with how the talk box came out on this record."

[*see*you*auntie*]

have you read the article? it specifically says

"I think the talkbox on [the 10,000 days track] "Those Shoes" is really amazing, especially how the harmonies are in each speaker. I'm really happy with how the talk box came out on this record."

They made a mistake, you know, like humans do. "Those Shoes" is an Eagles song.

[CallofCthulhu]

GOD JUST WATCH THIS AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY 10k DAYS IS THE REAL TITLE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq6vufmTJ9Q&search=badrap%20vanilla%20ice%20keyboard%201991%20 mullet%20urban%20fruit%20loops

[Bodhi]

One whole leaked album as a hoax, then a full real album to come out on May 2nd.......An amazing conspiracy to say the least if it is one anyways. I'm confused, I think.

[domer88]

of course its the real title.. at this point the cd is in mass production and everything is printed up and *real*.. you all have done to many druges or something.. at least tool can humor themselves with these posts. if they change it all at this point it will be the first time this has ever happened in music histroy (as far as I know)... anyone else know otherwise?

[Illuminus]

I know its not possible that this dudes theory is a at all relevant but its funny to me because I will be exactly 27 in 2012. haha. Cool thought though, but its certainly not what the album is about. Now that we have all heard the leak (most of us) we know what 10,000 days really means.

kabirs said that the lyrics after "10000 days in the fire is long enough" will tell you what the meaning is behind the title....

Yep, those lyrics tell us right there.

Maynards mom Judith Marie was a devoted christian (Judith from APC was about her also) whom had an anuerism(sp?) and lost a lot of muscle control and was wheelchair bound for 27 years = 10,000 days. She was sent into that state when maynard was 11 (Jimmy also refers to this) "11 and she was gone, to see the face your own stability suddenly walk away"

10,000 days is about his mom suffering through that hell and then dieing and going to heaven.

Its pretty obvious now that we have heard it. Im sure what I have just typed is a big repost somewhere else on the forum, but I just felt like clearing some things up.

[ID-entity]

if everyone thinks for themselves then that's not really thinking for yourself now is it hmmm?

True.

[Hey It's Aaron]

Im wearing a 10,000 days shirt.. people are dumb.

[Reagunn]

are you on some severe drugs?
No, he's just a skinny, bald, Scottish comic book scribe with a fetish for leather pants.

[Carny_Handles]

:D http://angelfire.com/planet/tool

Like this person!?!?

That was a nice read! thanks, more people need to wake up and not be spoon-fed everything.

as cliché this phrase has become in these forums it holds great truth here. "think for yourselves".