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SpiralOutKeepGoing
04-08-2006, 03:09 PM
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01
Discuss.
If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:10 PM
sounds good to me.
EDIT: well except the last weird song being 5 minutes, especially if its like faaip. Kind of long, hopefully it will be trippy atleast.
Fortunate Son
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
Worst. Song lengths. Ever.
What the fuck were they thinking?
The Village Too
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
so that 18 minute thing that jones talks about making him choke up every time must be wings for marie and 10,000 days (as one big ass song)
probably that way even if the titles change
what if it's a normal song not like faaip...
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01
Discuss.
Already posted, genius.
Nebel
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
So is Lost Keys (Blame Hofmann) a prelude to Rosetta Stoned?
Away in the sea of red
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
Sweeeeeet! Good find
ATARI
04-08-2006, 03:12 PM
hahahah Viginti Tres is a BALLAD
JuhaDeWolf
04-08-2006, 03:13 PM
I think we already knew this, not exactly, but somewhat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are the only other Tool songs longer than 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned (11:14) Disgustipated and Third Eye?
mad017
04-08-2006, 03:13 PM
if wings for marie and wings pt 2 are one song its gonna be like 17 minutes long.....
thats the best thing i ever heard
Lost Keys
04-08-2006, 03:13 PM
06:22!?!?!?!?!?!?
omg that is the worst fake track length ever. die now!
SpiralOutKeepGoing
04-08-2006, 03:13 PM
what if it's a normal song not like faaip...
But the band said that it was 'the walk-out' track which lead some to beleive it was similar to Faaip.
Foamy
04-08-2006, 03:13 PM
1 segue then? Im disappointed there is no 14 + minute track like they promised though. Still, 2 11:14's is pretty cool.
Cynical/Sarcastic
04-08-2006, 03:14 PM
When did track lengths define an album?
good thing only one filler segue.
Fulcanelli
04-08-2006, 03:15 PM
Total time: 75:48
I thought that the CD was going to be around 77 minutes? Maybe there will be a space between Right In Two and Viginti Tres.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 03:15 PM
When did track lengths define an album?
they define ballads
ATARI
04-08-2006, 03:15 PM
Total time: 75:48
I thought that the CD was going to be around 77 minutes? Maybe there will be a space between Right In Two and Viginti Tres.
hidden track using the zero enigma perhaps that's about a minute and a half long?
mad017
04-08-2006, 03:16 PM
I think we already knew this, not exactly, but somewhat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are the only other Tool songs longer than 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned (11:14) Disgustipated and Third Eye?
reflection is close at 11.06
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:16 PM
If they didnt divide wings for marie and 10k days you would have a 17 minute song foamy. So in reality you do have a song longer than 14 minutes. IT doesnt matter that its divided when you listen to it. The songs seem longer than most of the songs on lateralus atleast on average.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 03:16 PM
longer and heavier? hmm songs like meshuggah? seems ok to me
JuhaDeWolf
04-08-2006, 03:17 PM
Haha, AOL Music is already offering the album for download.
http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=album&albumid=831309
ATARI
04-08-2006, 03:18 PM
Haha, AOL Music is already offering the album for download.
http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=album&albumid=831309
,...
mad017
04-08-2006, 03:19 PM
Haha, AOL Music is already offering the album for download.
http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=album&albumid=831309
anyone checked this out..... obviously it is not legit but curious to see what it is...
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Sweeeeeet! Good find
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=883424&postcount=536
SpiralOutKeepGoing
04-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Haha, AOL Music is already offering the album for download.
http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=album&albumid=831309
Then why doesn't someone go get it?
i just want the fucking album. i dont want the track legnths. the track titles. the album name. i want the music.
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:22 PM
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=883424&postcount=536
For some reason the text isn't showing. Highlight everything.
Foamy
04-08-2006, 03:22 PM
Has anyone tried downloading those?
JuhaDeWolf
04-08-2006, 03:23 PM
I dunno, I saw that earlier today and started laughing. You can't download the songs from AOL, not yet at least.
Anyways, the only song that looks like it will be filler is Lipan Conjuring (1:11), which is good. Don't get me wrong, I can stand tracks like Message To Harry Manback or Mantra, but I'm just glad that the album won't be riddled with breaks. That was the only thing I didn't like about Ænima, 5 out of the 15 tracks weren't even songs.
SpiralOutKeepGoing
04-08-2006, 03:23 PM
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=883424&postcount=536
Obviously a lot of people missed the post since it was hidden in another thread.
Nebel
04-08-2006, 03:24 PM
How exactly can one be dissapointed in the lengths of the songs?
Cynical/Sarcastic
04-08-2006, 03:25 PM
they define ballads
Maynard singing love songs?
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:25 PM
Obviously a lot of people missed the post since it was hidden in another thread.
It was in another thread, but it was not hidden.
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:26 PM
I dunno, I saw that earlier today and started laughing. You can't download the songs from AOL, not yet at least.
Anyways, the only song that looks like it will be filler is Lipan Conjuring (1:11), which is good. Don't get me wrong, I can stand tracks like Message To Harry Manback or Mantra, but I'm just glad that the album won't be riddled with breaks. That was the only thing I didn't like about Ænima, 5 out of the 15 tracks weren't even songs.
I disagree those segues made the album that much more of a journey.
Nebel
04-08-2006, 03:27 PM
Awesome, this is what I was hoping for... TRACK LENGTHS LOL!
Who needs the album when we've got track lengths?
SpiralOutKeepGoing
04-08-2006, 03:28 PM
It was in another thread, but it was not hidden.
I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just saying that since many people missed it (including myself) it should have its own thread.
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:29 PM
Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.
Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.
Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Ocelot199
04-08-2006, 03:30 PM
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01
Discuss.
If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
Thanks for that. I'm sorta dissapointed that there aren't more seques and intro tracks, but whtever.
Kind weird that 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned are the same exact length...
That website you linked has insanely small text. What the fuck is wrong with whoever designed that?
Also, fuck pretty much everybody who has posted before me in this thread.
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:31 PM
you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
Nebel
04-08-2006, 03:31 PM
One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:32 PM
you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
I stand corrected. I was just going by a definition used on goole.
JuhaDeWolf
04-08-2006, 03:32 PM
I disagree those segues made the album that much more of a journey.
Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.
Just my personal opinion, but I'm glad that there won't be a lot of those tracks. I just hope we don't get surprised with another LAMC.
orange.juice
04-08-2006, 03:35 PM
longer and heavier? hmm songs like meshuggah? seems ok to me
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Idiotica
04-08-2006, 03:37 PM
there's alot of '11's in that tracklist - hmmm could be a secret message ... discuss
TurdEye13
04-08-2006, 03:39 PM
This gets me even more excited
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:39 PM
I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:40 PM
sounds good to me.
EDIT: well except the last weird song being 5 minutes, especially if its like faaip. Kind of long, hopefully it will be trippy atleast.
remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order
ProdigyDub
04-08-2006, 03:40 PM
Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.
Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.
Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Uh, Parabol, Disposition and Reflection are NOT segues.
Your misinterpreting the definition of the word.
Choice Breath
04-08-2006, 03:41 PM
Track lengths don't do much for me. I thought we pretty much knew all of this.
How long until someone says something like "the track lengths are just one more disappointment about this album." ???
I'm ready for some music.
undeniable dilemma
04-08-2006, 03:41 PM
Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.
So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:42 PM
One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:42 PM
remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order
pretty sure they were in order, just no names. cuz if you follow along andys review it fits.
dracomordag
04-08-2006, 03:42 PM
already been said, choice
Metalgod666
04-08-2006, 03:43 PM
ok...
but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
Unstuck in Time
04-08-2006, 03:43 PM
Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:44 PM
im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)
yeah im thinking that too. and the daedalian piece was just another song or songs and what Adam was talking about.
InertUniformity
04-08-2006, 03:44 PM
After reading the Andy King review, it was my understanding that Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned were connected...perhaps intended to be part of the same song...if this is true, then what we have on our hands is an album that may have 2 pieces of music exceeding 15 minutes each.
Epic isn't the right word...but its the first word that comes to mind.
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:46 PM
ok...
but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
if you read Andys review 2 months ago or so, he thought The Pot was gonna be the first single cuz it seemed most commericial
Choice Breath
04-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
And, they are too derivative of the Lateralus track lengths.
Descencia
04-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.
Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.
Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Disposition is a segue into Reflection but Reflection is not a segue into Triad. Reflection ends and then Triad fades in. The only overlapping sound is whatever it is that sounds like a train slowed down or a ship in the background before the fade in of Triad. But that sound is only at the very end of Reflection as a 'segue-patch'. You never hear it during the course of the song.
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:46 PM
I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:46 PM
ok...
but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
"the pot" will be the 2nd single and, per the king review, is the most commercial friendly song tool have done
no doubt it will be a killer track
HolyReality
04-08-2006, 03:47 PM
looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:47 PM
If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.
oh yeah, I like that better though.
tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
InertUniformity
04-08-2006, 03:47 PM
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
yeah...i feel like BMB owes us an explanation about this...
My theory is that Ryan actually guessed the real "LK" title in the infamous "LK Thread" here at TDN so the band changed it.
(The real title: "LOL, Kidding"
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:47 PM
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18
maybe im wrong though
HolyReality
04-08-2006, 03:47 PM
tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
haha
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:48 PM
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
No, I just think everyone assumed daedalous piece was L.K in the newsletter. I think he would've said L.K cuz he always refered to it as that.
JuhaDeWolf
04-08-2006, 03:48 PM
So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
Nope, it was Italian. Don't remember exactly what he's saying, but he says "piece of shit" over and over.
Yeah, so now the track times are out, I'm bored with it already.
Gonna go listen to 81st Chakra, message me if anything special happens.
HolyReality
04-08-2006, 03:49 PM
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
the opus could be lost keys + rosetta stoned...
Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.
Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.
Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
that's only sort of half-way true.
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:49 PM
looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
as has been said
a track can fall through peaks and valleys without being separated into the "segues" that aenima made such great use of..
adam mentioned in the GW article an increased focus on "allowing things to breathe" so you should still expect lots of downtime and transition
Unstuck in Time
04-08-2006, 03:49 PM
Just a quick reminder - you haven't heard one second.
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:49 PM
i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18
maybe im wrong though
Maybe they added a few parts to make it longer. That deodulous piece is still on the album according the the february newsletter.
Descencia
04-08-2006, 03:49 PM
81st Chakra is nice.
One Dark Flame
04-08-2006, 03:50 PM
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01
Discuss.
If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
I'm vey surprised that "Lost Keys" is only 3:44, I mean I don't think that one is a segue right?? If not that's very short for a "TooL" Song.
praefector
04-08-2006, 03:51 PM
81st Chakra is nice.
i laughed for a good solid minute when i heard that
HolyReality
04-08-2006, 03:52 PM
maybe it'll work like parabol did with parabola....just a guess
InertUniformity
04-08-2006, 03:52 PM
From what adams said in the GW interview i think we can say safely that the opus of 10 000 Days will be tracks 2-4.
2 and 3 being the most "emotional", brooding, and powerful piece of music Tool have ever written...
4 being the most "commercial", and twisted track Tool has done to date.
Its gonna be a fuckin trip to hear that 18 minute piece followed by "The Pot"...
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:53 PM
From what adams said in the GW interview i think we can say safely that the opus of 10 000 Days will be tracks 2-4.
2 and 3 being the most "emotional", brooding, and powerful piece of music Tool have ever written...
4 being the most "commercial", and twisted track Tool has done to date.
Its gonna be a fuckin trip to hear that 18 minute piece followed by "The Pot"...
I think #5 the pot was the most commercial and tracks 3-4 are the powerful piece(s) of music.
ThePatient666
04-08-2006, 03:54 PM
I can't wait, this album is going to be epic.
cadav
04-08-2006, 03:54 PM
COOL> Track lengths!!!
Now we can relate those times to sacred geometry and compile them with the song title anagrams while meditating on the XMdays universal product code. Afterwards maybe sit in the corner urinating softly on our inner thighs mumbling what we googled earlier about the lipan tribe while listening to Doom 3 / ISIS. :'-(
Rosette feasted
04-08-2006, 03:56 PM
hey that fits! didn't Blair always say 'LK is an epic track with an amazing length of THREE FUCKING MINUTES!'
anyway, stop whining about how much you hate the track lengths. you don't have to project your dissatifaction with your penis lengths onto the track lengths.
thanks.
delysid
04-08-2006, 03:56 PM
So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but music is not Blair's area of specialty.
I can honestly see him going in, listening to a rehearsal, hearing the songs, and thinking that the badass song he keeps talking about is "LK" when actually it is one of their other songs and Blair is just a dumbass and couldn't remember. Like I said, music is not the dude's thing and he probably doesn't really care about it the way we all do. Just seems like that to me for some reason. To him, its not really that important for him to remember.
I don't know, I'm high and tired....
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 03:57 PM
cadav needs to start a thread now!!
Crucify the Ego
04-08-2006, 03:57 PM
I think we already knew this, not exactly, but somewhat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are the only other Tool songs longer than 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned (11:14) Disgustipated and Third Eye?
And Third Eye (Live) and Pushit (Live)
InertUniformity
04-08-2006, 03:58 PM
I think #5 the pot was the most commercial and tracks 3-4 are the powerful piece(s) of music.
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my b
but yeah you know what i meant right?
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 03:59 PM
.
my b
but yeah you know what i meant right?
ya i got ya.
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 03:59 PM
I think #5 the pot was the most commercial and tracks 3-4 are the powerful piece(s) of music.
andy's review said 7-8 was all Tool rolled into one. Violent end of life. I'm interested iin hearing that.
I still think L.K is L.K/rosetta stoned and Daedalous was just wings and 10,000 days. he never refered LK as daedalous unless I missed it. as I said everyone just assumed it was that.
Descencia
04-08-2006, 04:00 PM
The sacred geometry that has been used to unleash the demons that exist inside Tool's divinely proportioned music, can only now be exorcised by buying the new album and unlocking the secrets of pi.
Rosette feasted
04-08-2006, 04:01 PM
COOL> Track lengths!!!
Now we can relate those times to sacred geometry and compile them with the song title anagrams while meditating on the XMdays universal product code. Afterwards maybe sit in the corner urinating softly on our inner thighs mumbling what we googled earlier about the lipan tribe while listening to Doom 3 / ISIS. :'-(
OMG!
75,48 - 52,48 = 23!!!!
dracomordag
04-08-2006, 04:01 PM
see my sig
Madklikor
04-08-2006, 04:02 PM
For some :
Wings for Marie (PART 1)
10,000 days (WINGS PART 2)
PART 1 + PART 2 = one 17:24 song.
LK was a working title. The LK Blair was talking about is maybe Wings for Marie part I & II. Sometimes musicians have a working title for one song and end up using this title for another song.
But Blair also said that LK was between 15 and 18 minutes, he wasn't sure so it could be Lost keys/Rosetta stoned which, from what we've heard, is a same and only song divided in two parts that runs 14:58. So both ways work. Nothing to whine about.
One Dark Flame
04-08-2006, 04:02 PM
maybe it'll work like parabol did with parabola....just a guess
Yeah you're probaly right. :()
No LK turned into WfM (P1&2)...I remember this email http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=37724&highlight=blair
more...
Subj: Re: Seriously, down-to-earth titles?
Date: 3/11/2006 7:58:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)
It's actually much stranger than that - the whole lost keys thing, but you'll still get the lengthy song in all its glory. ~ BMB
On Mar 11, 2006, at 7:53 PM,
[email protected] wrote:
So, then L.K was split into 2 songs then huh? Which sucks. I was actually looking forward to a 17 min song, damn. Or unless, you didn't mean L.K was the Daedalous piece in the newsletter? Lost Keys kinda throws me and probably everyone else off. Thanks for replying though.
- Joe
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 04:11 PM
No LK turned into WfM (P1&2)...I remember this email http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=37724&highlight=blair
no but see, in the other email it was confusing what he said. he never actually said daedalous was L.K back to me. So, was LK ever known as daedalous piece before that one newsletter? that will answer it all. I just find hard to believe that L.K was changed while another remains. which is why I think he meant daedalous as another song.
No one is whining about anything. No one is sure.
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 04:12 PM
i'm thinking they're all just 10,000 days parts 1-11 split up so they can play bits separately on tour.
edit: they were still in the writing arranging process when blair mentioned the long songs so maybe he's a little out of date now.
Descencia
04-08-2006, 04:12 PM
Blair almost seems to slightly imply that the band was at first not going to have both parts on the album possibly by saying 'you'll still get the lengthy song in all its glory.' Meaning that it is now.
no but see, in the other email it was confusing what he said. he never actually said daedalous was L.K back to me. So, was LK ever known as daedalous piece before that one newsletter? that will answer it all. I just find hard to believe that L.K was changed while another remains. which is why I think he meant daedalous as another song.
No one is whining about anything. No one is sure.
was any other song known as the daedalous piece?
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 04:22 PM
lost daedalous (blame blair)
ATARI
04-08-2006, 04:23 PM
I look forward to the power ballad of Lost Keys myself
I bet the only reason tool employs blair is cuz he's always too wasted to remember anything to leak....he's like a drunk that rambles on at a bar and even though he might have something relevant to say, it's just too much bullshit to sit through.
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 04:24 PM
was any other song known as the daedalous piece?
well, he usually refered to L.K as L.K so it just makes me think wings and 10,000 days is daedalous and not what he said was proclaimed to be his favorite tool song which turned out to be L.K./rosetta stoned. I know I could be wrong. It would be weird as I said to have L.K as a working title than have it on the cd as another name.
Unstuck in Time
04-08-2006, 04:27 PM
You guys would be terrible shrinks. Really terrible.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 04:28 PM
You would be pretty terrible in bed
dissonance19
04-08-2006, 04:28 PM
You guys would be terrible shrinks. Really terrible.
no, I'm usually good at helping others like that...
unless you're not talking to me haha.
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 04:32 PM
i still convinced 10000 gays is the DVD title ... wait i just heard vichariots!
Unstuck in Time
04-08-2006, 04:33 PM
You would be pretty terrible in bed
I wouldn't be in bed at all.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 04:33 PM
vichariots of fire
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 04:44 PM
i think u r on to something!
Descencia
04-08-2006, 04:46 PM
Vai-Chariots would be an army of Steve Vai clones atop chariots playing a million solos over Lost Horizon songs.
I don't see the problem with the track lengths.
Unstuck in Time
04-08-2006, 04:47 PM
Vai-Chariots would be an army of Steve Vai clones atop chariots playing a million solos over Lost Horizon songs.
One name - Mike Varney.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 04:53 PM
I don't see the problem with the track lengths.
the last track isn't an epic or something bullshit like that
mattw
04-08-2006, 04:57 PM
was any other song known as the daedalous piece?
I may be wrong but track #10 'Right In Two' is 8mins 56sec in length and has been described by at least one person who heard the album at a listening party as "THE BEST SONG TOOL HAS EVER WRITTEN"...
So it may well be the 'daedalous piece'...?
If not, I'm still looking forward to it as well as Wings for Marie/10,000 Days, Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned, Vicarious, Jambi, The Pot and the rest of the whole album etc.
It should be great regardless of what Blair lists as the 'daedalous piece'...
C'mon April 28th (Australia)
Idiotica
04-08-2006, 04:59 PM
blair's job is to spread misinformation and chaos until the band has something to sell us ... all will become clear soon enuff.
psiphen
04-08-2006, 05:05 PM
This is obviously fake. Everybody knows Vicarious is 2:49 in length.
RedVilliam
04-08-2006, 05:07 PM
If this was asked before I'm sorry. But isn't Disposition/Reflection/Triad really just one song that had to be broken for the album? I know when Tool plays it live they play it as one long song. Maybe the tracks are just seperated because they have to be not because that's what the bad really wanted.
Metal Militia
04-08-2006, 05:07 PM
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
6 x 1:11 = 666!!!!! TOOL IS SATANZ!!!!
This is obviously fake. Everybody knows Vicarious is 2:49 in length.
awful first post.... just awful
HolyReality
04-08-2006, 05:10 PM
This is obviously fake. Everybody knows Vicarious is 2:49 in length.
hahahahaha. I hope this is a joke...
Howard
04-08-2006, 05:14 PM
/me tired of people who judge the album without even heard an accord =D
Descencia
04-08-2006, 05:17 PM
/me slaps Descencia around a bit with a large trout!
macfreak
04-08-2006, 05:25 PM
This is obviously fake. Everybody knows Vicarious is 2:49 in length.
I want a one song album...they would never do it..gay
psiphen
04-08-2006, 05:30 PM
I want a one song album...they would never do it..gay
what? If you don't get the joke, don't post about it...
mmortal03
04-08-2006, 05:35 PM
One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
Could be the beginning of Rosetta Stoned, could be something like Harry Manback.
slicknickshady
04-08-2006, 05:35 PM
76 Minutes is a Damn long album. Undertow is such a great album but it's so short.
Howard
04-08-2006, 05:54 PM
76 Minutes is a Damn long album. Undertow is such a great album but it's so short.
Right, it's so great that TOOL don't play any undertow song (except sober and prison sex) since the aenima's era x)
ATARI
04-08-2006, 06:00 PM
They've played Interolance at the Japnaese concerts for Lateralus.
goats
04-08-2006, 06:03 PM
swamp song in 2001, yo
Howard
04-08-2006, 06:05 PM
... one concert in ten they do that =D
They're always playing some Opiate or any cover song, it's better than the almost entire Undertow. But this is not the thread for this discussion, sorry ;)
Descencia
04-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Intolerance is still one of my favorite Tool songs.
TheRuleOfThree
04-08-2006, 06:31 PM
I feel so bad for all the people that apparently wrote this album before the band did. Obviously this is a departure from what you planned.
Wretched
04-08-2006, 06:32 PM
I support the release of these track times. I like that there are at least 9 songs that aren't filler, or at first glance, do not seem to be filler length.
ATARI
04-08-2006, 06:34 PM
Aenima only really had 9 if you want to look at it like that
Mitote
04-08-2006, 06:34 PM
I support the release of these track times. I like that there are at least 9 songs that aren't filler, or at first glance, do not seem to be filler length.
I completely agree...don't care much for tissue paper myself.
To me, lateralus has only seven tracks. The tracklisting/length suggests to me that the segues are incorporated into the songs? Which means more songs. Hooray!
dracomordag
04-08-2006, 06:39 PM
lol @ giving a fuck how the tracks are divided up
maneva
04-08-2006, 06:42 PM
i don't know what everyone's complaining about, the track lengths seem to equal both aenima and lateralus in terms of the amount of music we're going to get. this time we just get less segues.
praefector
04-08-2006, 06:44 PM
i wish they'd play "flood" more
zee deveel 17
04-08-2006, 06:55 PM
lateralus essentialy had 9 songs overall
undertow had 10 songs overall
aenima had 9 songs overall
and this one will have 9
i dont see what the big fuss people are making
Octopod
04-08-2006, 07:08 PM
Segues are not filler.
Lost Keys
04-08-2006, 07:16 PM
spoiled unhappy godsmack fan leftovers...
tooldude
04-08-2006, 08:50 PM
god dammit i want a 17 minute song
Sol Invictus
04-08-2006, 09:00 PM
god dammit i want a 17 minute song
You have one. Pt1 & PT2 and you possibly have another with LK/Rossetta
ProdigyDub
04-08-2006, 09:11 PM
I feel so bad for all the people that apparently wrote this album before the band did. Obviously this is a departure from what you planned.
Possibly the most accurate and awesome statement written on these boards in a long time. Props to you.
The/Perfect/Tool
04-08-2006, 09:27 PM
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01
Discuss.
If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
Does anyone else find it odd that 2 tracks are the EXCACT same length?
TheRuleOfThree
04-08-2006, 09:27 PM
Possibly the most accurate and awesome statement written on these boards in a long time. Props to you.
Props back for the "copyrights" thread. Voices of reason are few and far in between here.
The/Perfect/Tool
04-08-2006, 09:29 PM
Maynard singing love songs?
Ballads are stories in the form of poem or song. Not necessarally love songs....but typically are.
Howard
04-08-2006, 09:29 PM
Does anyone else find it odd that 2 tracks are the EXCACT same length?
Yes, it's strange, but I think it doesn't matter.
guerilla ice tea
04-08-2006, 10:04 PM
um...nice lengths.
what else can i say?
profundo giallo
04-08-2006, 11:29 PM
i wish they'd play "flood" more
They played "flood" in London in 02. It was a great surprise to hear it, sounded much better than on the album.Undertows production just sounds muddy to me now.
Misanthrope
04-08-2006, 11:39 PM
Does anyone else find it odd that 2 tracks are the EXCACT same length?Not really (http://www.discogs.com/release/341849)
insaner
04-08-2006, 11:52 PM
cool a 3.5 minue song. im thinking COMMERCIAL.
3poundsoflove
04-08-2006, 11:52 PM
in a certain way, it's a longer album than lateralus. More songs.
weak&weary
04-08-2006, 11:57 PM
cool a 3.5 minue song. im thinking COMMERCIAL.
Parabol was of similar length, yet served as an intro and could hardly be called commercial. Perhaps we should reserve such judgements?
insaner
04-09-2006, 12:06 AM
i meant like, for cadillac, or something.
The/Perfect/Tool
04-09-2006, 12:25 AM
Not really (http://www.discogs.com/release/341849)
Funny guy, i'll bet you've been waiting a loooonnnggg time to throw that it somewhere, glad I could help misanthrope :)
Why should this obscure sight have the lengths before anyone else?
Hogwash, absolute hogwash. All the songs are under 4 minutes and contain Maynard rapping verses about Freud's anal stage, and other "Pyshcology"
praefector
04-09-2006, 01:58 AM
They played "flood" in London in 02. It was a great surprise to hear it, sounded much better than on the album.Undertows production just sounds muddy to me now.
it does sound MUCH better when they do it live
i got to hear it in 97 but was disappointed that it had been scrapped from the setlists in 01, and 02
dischordance
04-09-2006, 02:40 AM
How exactly can one be dissapointed in the lengths of the songs?Simple:
When most people sign up to Toolnavy they choose to donate their unneeded brains to science.
harmonyofdissonance
04-09-2006, 03:08 AM
has nobody read the text? They write, that the album contains a 20 min piece of art...Wings Part 1 and 2 are only 17 minutes...
Jorge
04-09-2006, 03:23 AM
What text?
orange.juice
04-09-2006, 03:26 AM
that text:
http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=52846&product=82876819912
"...they'll confront the listener with 20 minute conceptual pieces, countless technical gimmicks, terrific melodies and extreme heaviness..."
it's just a promo text, so they tend to exaggerate. No big deal.
Carbonatedgravy
04-09-2006, 05:20 AM
Could be that Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned/Intension all combine to form one long ass song.
Idiotica
04-09-2006, 05:44 AM
that's right, we have no idea how they intend to play the new material live.
TOOLEK
04-09-2006, 05:58 AM
The strangest thing in the tracklist, to me is the length of the Lost Keys. I have always thought LK would be a monstrous piece of music and one of the longest Tool has ever made (at least that's what Blair told us). And now it appears it is only 3:something. Unless Lost Keys goes together with Rosetta Stoned. This is the only possibility to me. Still I wish it was one track instead of two. The same I would prefer in case of !0,00 days and Wings for Marie. But we'll soon see everything.
Idiotica
04-09-2006, 06:01 AM
dumb people might look at the tracklist and say 'there's only 4 songs i'm not buying this!' - so they divided it up a little more. also gives them option to play parts of the songs separately - like how they shortened or left out 'parabol' last tour.
Inner_Eulogy
04-09-2006, 07:40 AM
I dunno, I saw that earlier today and started laughing. You can't download the songs from AOL, not yet at least.
Anyways, the only song that looks like it will be filler is Lipan Conjuring (1:11), which is good. Don't get me wrong, I can stand tracks like Message To Harry Manback or Mantra, but I'm just glad that the album won't be riddled with breaks. That was the only thing I didn't like about Ænima, 5 out of the 15 tracks weren't even songs.
I personally prefer the "fillers" they add to the experience of the record.
Inner_Eulogy
04-09-2006, 07:43 AM
Thanks for that. I'm sorta dissapointed that there aren't more seques and intro tracks, but whtever.
Kind weird that 10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned are the same exact length...
That website you linked has insanely small text. What the fuck is wrong with whoever designed that?
Also, fuck pretty much everybody who has posted before me in this thread.
Might be some sort of reason for the lenghts being the same on those 2. Also, there still may be some segues but just not split into actual separate track numbers. Or if that didn't make any sense, the first minute or so of some of those tracks will act as segues.
Inner_Eulogy
04-09-2006, 07:46 AM
Uh, Parabol, Disposition and Reflection are NOT segues.
Your misinterpreting the definition of the word.
*SIGH* Who cares in what reference they're speaking. Everyone knows what the fuck people are saying "seque...transition....chronic break" what the fuck ever.
Kalamazoo
04-09-2006, 09:55 AM
you people are so [no] because you care how long the track lengths are, lol
StoneyB
04-09-2006, 10:07 AM
1 segue then? Im disappointed there is no 14 + minute track like they promised though. Still, 2 11:14's is pretty cool.
Wings and wings part 2 are going to be connected. Sort of like parabol and parabola.
mike09
04-09-2006, 11:27 AM
I wish LK did stand for Lost Keys just to stick it to those who guessed it would have some crazy words in the title.
FickMyDuck
04-09-2006, 12:58 PM
Lipan Conjuring might not be the only segue on the album. Eventhough the other tracks are 5 minute+, there's no telling that they can't be long ass segues either. I hope not though
the_incunabula
04-09-2006, 01:14 PM
dumb people might look at the tracklist and say 'there's only 4 songs i'm not buying this!' - so they divided it up a little more. also gives them option to play parts of the songs separately - like how they shortened or left out 'parabol' last tour.
Record companies will only pay you (the artist) for an EP if the cd has 5 or less tracks, no matter how long the tracks are. Its pretty lame. It happend to TMV when they put out Frances the Mute, thats why the last song which is all one song, is split up into 8 tracks.
Octopod
04-09-2006, 01:23 PM
Record companies will only pay you (the artist) for an EP if the cd has 5 or less tracks, no matter how long the tracks are. Its pretty lame. It happend to TMV when they put out Frances the Mute, thats why the last song which is all one song, is split up into 8 tracks.
That's what happens when you deal with the majors. Tool have it better than most when it comes to their new contract, but I still don't think they are a "5 song per album" type of band yet.
praefector
04-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Record companies will only pay you (the artist) for an EP if the cd has 5 or less tracks, no matter how long the tracks are. Its pretty lame. It happend to TMV when they put out Frances the Mute, thats why the last song which is all one song, is split up into 8 tracks.
EP and LP are separated by total length not number of tracks
Morfindel
04-09-2006, 03:55 PM
Worst. Song lengths. Ever.
What the fuck were they thinking?
What the fuck is wrong with them?
psims23
04-09-2006, 04:00 PM
i wish they'd play "flood" more
They played flood at the Bakersfield show a couple years back.. it was awesome and Danny actually messed up!! But he played it off pretty well, was glad I could be a part of it
Harry Manback
04-09-2006, 04:04 PM
EP and LP are separated by total length not number of tracks
Are you certain? I just happen to be listening to "A Chance of Seasons" by Dream Theater which people always call an E.P. even though it's almost an hour long.
weak&weary
04-09-2006, 04:11 PM
Are you certain? I just happen to be listening to "A Chance of Seasons" by Dream Theater which people always call an E.P. even though it's almost an hour long.
He's not certain. The Mars Volta's latest record "Frances the Mute" is only 5 songs and stretches to 77 minutes, yet was going to be categorized as an EP. Hence their reason for splitting the final track into eight parts; it gave the album more tracks, categorized it as an LP and was given wider distribution.
For another example, Linkin Park's albums are only 1/2 hour long and are counted as LPs, yet Alice In Chains' "Jar of Flies" is equally long is characterized as an EP due to less tracks.
Morfindel
04-09-2006, 05:35 PM
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
6 x 1:11 = 666!!!!! TOOL IS SATANZ!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Morfindel
04-09-2006, 05:44 PM
Guys, why isn't Doom 3 listed on the tracklisting?!?!?!
WHAT THE FACK?
Because APC will release it in their new album "locoMotive"
Morfindel
04-09-2006, 05:46 PM
Parabol was of similar length, yet served as an intro and could hardly be called commercial. Perhaps we should reserve such judgements?
Yes, kill the motherfucker
Morfindel
04-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Are you certain? I just happen to be listening to "A Chance of Seasons" by Dream Theater which people always call an E.P. even though it's almost an hour long.
Thats waaaaaaay true.
Vaginal Replicator
04-09-2006, 06:12 PM
In regards to "Lost Keys", didn't Blair say in a newsletter somewhere that L.K. was severely cut down, and changed?
paraflux
04-10-2006, 07:09 AM
Worst. Song lengths. Ever.
What the fuck were they thinking?
hahahaha, this made me laugh pretty hard.
Tool: Here's the name of the record, guys.
World: That's the worst name for a record ever, idiots.
Tool: Here's the trackisting.
World: God, that's just the most horrible list of songs, ever, guys.
Tool: Ok, here's the song lengths.
World: Good god, that's the worst song lengths possible.
Tool: Fuck you, then, we'll just keep it to ourselves.
Paraflux: Yeah, we really dont deserve it I guess.
Staticfactory
04-10-2006, 08:07 AM
It was in another thread, but it was not hidden.
If I were looking for official track lists/lengths, the first place I would look is post #536 of a thread about promo pictures...
Someone's a bit sour that they didn't get recognized :(
Vaginal Replicator
04-10-2006, 08:17 AM
One thing I'd like to note, on another tracklist that I found, Lost Keys was 8:41 which in turn actually made the album 77:48 or something like that.
Sol Invictus
04-10-2006, 11:37 AM
One thing I'd like to note, on another tracklist that I found, Lost Keys was 8:41 which in turn actually made the album 77:48 or something like that.
link?
Natalie Portman
04-10-2006, 04:10 PM
hahahaha, this made me laugh pretty hard.
Tool: Here's the name of the record, guys.
World: That's the worst name for a record ever, idiots.
Tool: Here's the trackisting.
World: God, that's just the most horrible list of songs, ever, guys.
Tool: Ok, here's the song lengths.
World: Good god, that's the worst song lengths possible.
Tool: Fuck you, then, we'll just keep it to ourselves.
Paraflux: Yeah, we really dont deserve it I guess.
indeed.
Reflection
04-10-2006, 04:54 PM
hahahaha, this made me laugh pretty hard.
Tool: Here's the name of the record, guys.
World: That's the worst name for a record ever, idiots.
Tool: Here's the trackisting.
World: God, that's just the most horrible list of songs, ever, guys.
Tool: Ok, here's the song lengths.
World: Good god, that's the worst song lengths possible.
Tool: Fuck you, then, we'll just keep it to ourselves.
Paraflux: Yeah, we really dont deserve it I guess.
lol
Vaginal Replicator
04-10-2006, 05:11 PM
link?
It was a torrent I found, and before going "oh well that's nothing", the rest of the songs on the tracklist were the same lengths as this tracklist we have from Sony in Germany.... soo.....
InertUniformity
04-10-2006, 05:17 PM
if i buy this album online right now, will it arrive on May 2?
Nemesis
04-10-2006, 05:22 PM
Do any poms have a copy of Rock Sound magazine yet?
Apparently there is an interview and review in it.
Get scanning englishmen!
Goldfoot
04-10-2006, 05:42 PM
Do any poms have a copy of Rock Sound magazine yet?
Apparently there is an interview and review in it.
Get scanning englishmen!
The scans were available like last week.
Nemesis
04-10-2006, 06:06 PM
The scans were available like last week.
Do you know where I can find them?
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