"New" Promo Art in Metal Hammer

[millermt]

Taken from TA:

1st UK Press advert?
Not big news I know, but the outside back cover of the new "Metal Hammer" UK rock magazine has a page advert for 10,000 Days with slightly different artwork to the sleeve we've all seen. I don't have access to a scanner etc... here, but I'm sure someone else will post it soon enough... No mention of a single or anything, just band name, album title, "NEW ALBUM OUT MAY 1ST" (UK release date), web address and logos for Tool Dissectional, Volcano, Zomba and Columbia.

Here is a link to a scan. (http://www.chamberland.info/images/xmdays_ad.jpg) Looks like it's a different part of Alex Grey's Web of Being.

[slicknickshady]

I saw it. Thanks though.

[zavlin]

I really like this poster. The growing faint color in this one may be a sign of things to come...

[karbinator]

Hmm, thats bassicly the same pic that was in the Rip It Up Magazine.
Looks pretty kool..

[lachrymoIogy]

kudos.

[toocooltool]

Nice stuff...

*waits poised with a baseball bat for the logo haters*

FOOL

Please no one else make that comment now i have. So long, and goodnight.

[zavlin]

Nice stuff...

*waits poised with a baseball bat for the logo haters*

FOOL

Please no one else make that comment now i have. So long, and goodnight.

and now that you mention it...i was just thinking that i like the logo more seeing it on this poster. It seems to go with the shape of the whole thing.

[toocooltool]

and now that you mention it...i was just thinking that i like the logo more seeing it on this poster. It seems to go with the shape of the whole thing.

Glad to be of assistance.

Now suck my cock.

<3

[Perseensilmä]

I like this more than the album mini-one. But motherfucking cmon, I still hate that three-faced guy´s moustache!!!!

[zavlin]

Glad to be of assistance.

Now suck my cock.

<3

I take only cash and up front.

[Exoskeletal]

Now this is gettin nicer... it this turns to be the cover of the album it would be cool to have some kind of depth optical illusion.

[alicetooljam]

That IS web of being. The 3 faced guy is just part of that same artwork. Do a search for web of being...

[zavlin]

I like this more than the album mini-one. But motherfucking cmon, I still hate that three-faced guy´s moustache!!!!

Moustache??? looking at the lighter versions i see what you mean, but i think thats just part of the face and lip shading.

[zavlin]

I like this more than the album mini-one. But motherfucking cmon, I still hate that three-faced guy´s moustache!!!!
aand...in this picture i think you can more clearly tell that it isnt a moustache..

http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/photos/web_of_being

[toocooltool]

I take only cash and up front.

No chance of a strap-on up back?

[Ocelot199]

Its a different part of the same exact picture posted on Toolband.

And its still lame to reuse old artwork for a new album.

[zavlin]

No chance of a strap-on up back?

It depends on the weather.

[MOON]

Its a fake...

logo on a old scan quickly made...

Fake.

[zavlin]

Its a different part of the same exact picture posted on Toolband.

And its still lame to reuse old artwork for a new album.

Its not really old artwork. It was first in an artshow about 5 months ago. This is NOT the same painting used as a backdrop.

[Nebel]

And its still lame to reuse old artwork for a new album.

I agree, I was under the impression that Adam was putting a lot of effort into the artwork, but maybe that's not the artwork itself but something like holographic or something like that

[toocooltool]

It depends on the weather.

Oh you tease you.....

What are you wearing?

I just have a towel on... and im sitting on a hamster.

PM ME

[Vianney]

this fuller image adds so much to everything the art posted on toolband was missing. This image is less recycled than I thought, too. It obviously isn't just a complete scan of Alex Grey's original peice with this face. I really couldn't believe TOOL would create some masterpeice of music and then just halfass the artwork. There's something incredible in store, i'm sure of it.

*more stokage for the new album*

[zavlin]

Oh you tease you.....

What are you wearing?





20 lbs of ham, a lunch lady cap ,rollerskates, and nothing else
baaaabyyyy

[millermt]

That IS web of being. The 3 faced guy is just part of that same artwork. Do a search for web of being...

I meant that it is a different section than is shown on the "album mini".

[Perseensilmä]

Its not really old artwork. It was first in an artshow about 5 months ago. This is NOT the same painting used as a backdrop.

It still is pretty fucking similar AND I saw that web of being piece like fucking long time ago. It´s old, that´s it.

[TheHolyGift]

This albums art is awesome enough to make up for its dumbass title.

[Vianney]

Its a different part of the same exact picture posted on Toolband.

And its still lame to reuse old artwork for a new album.


If you think about it, the figure on the lateralus cover was one of alex grey's recycled characters. It wasn't anything 'new' in that sense. If you look at the package as a whole though, the artwork is unparalled to anything before and of its time. Don't put it passed Tool to push the boundaries of album art again for this one.

[bass_dude]

May 1st? Sweet! means i donnae have to skip school like i was going to for May 2nd :D

Alex

[TurdEye13]

if true, this is great

[Vianney]

I hope this makes everyone happy who was complaining about the off-centeredness of the picture on toolband

[toocooltool]

20 lbs of ham, a lunch lady cap ,rollerskates, and nothing else
baaaabyyyy

Your male?

You fucking ***got.

*hides*

[seemyshadowchanging]

Its a different part of the same exact picture posted on Toolband.

And its still lame to reuse old artwork for a new album.
i agree i still want to believe in the theory of the live dvd using this artwork.it still doesnt make sense why they would use this for the new album.just my opinion but we shall soon see.

[Cucumber_11]

Its a fake...

logo on a old scan quickly made...

Fake.

That was tongue in cheak right?

...right?

[zavlin]

You fucking ***got.



no, but nobody ever appreciates meat products and rollerskates.

[TheHolyGift]

it still doesnt make sense why they would use this for the new album.

Because they want to.

[orange.juice]

*waits poised with a baseball bat for the logo haters*
*breaks the match between his fingers*

[toocooltool]

*breaks the match between his fingers*

You may have broken my weapon, but you will never break my heart.

[ATARI]

Every day I get more and more excited about the new pearl jam album and less about the new tool album.

[toocooltool]

Every day I get more and more excited about the new pearl jam album and less about the new tool album.

Cant forget the peppers =(

[ATARI]

peppers dont' come out to a week after though. I have a one track mind

[toocooltool]

Logo is awesome.

Yes.

I love it too.

[TheHolyGift]

Now that I don't understand, going to this piece of shit after the awesomeness of the Lateralus logo.

[Exoskeletal]

The Lateralus logo is cool. This one... doesn't impress me in what matters to design and doesn't fit the artwork in any way. I would prefer the razor like logo on the toolband intro, it's very atractive, although many people don't think this way.

[TheHolyGift]

The new logo looks like a font I should be able to find in microsoft word.

[toocooltool]

The new logo looks like a font I should be able to find in microsoft word.

You can probably find the Microsoft logo in word... does that make it a bad logo?

[TheHolyGift]

If Microsofts old logo was the Lateralus logo, yes, it would.

[JuhaDeWolf]

I like the picture, but the fact that it is basically a black and white copy of an existing Alex Grey work knocks down the 'coolness' a few notches.

[Xanatos]

I bet this album will be terrible. I should just forget that it even exists then I will find it in a store one day and say "Oh, golly gosh! A new Tool album!". *sigh*

[Exoskeletal]

Mr. T pitys the Tool logo!
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pittythefool1jd.jpg
=D

[toocooltool]

Mr. T pitys the Tool logo!
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pittythefool1jd.jpg
=D
Aids.

[embracingyou]

Ah really liking this new art work... has it's own unique identity despite being Alex Grey again, it's wonderful.

[dracomordag]

psst guys...












it's a vagina

[gerbil]

The new logo is just not sensationalist. It's very bare, whereas the Lateralus logo was very complex.

I hated the Salival/Ænima logo. It's so blocky and looks so corny rendered in 3D.

[orange.juice]

You can probably find the Microsoft logo in word... does that make it a bad logo?
Now look, it works like this: Company decides to lift their image, so they hire a team of advertising guys. In some cases, huge ammounts of money are involved. Then it's not a bunch of advertising guys anymore but a renowned graphics agency. They may (amongst all other image questions and solutions) design either a graphical symbol or some typo as a logo. Usually, they use high profile fonts which are created by talented people who again earn a lot of money from this. The copyright for these fonts however expires after several years (mostly because it's expensive), so everyone who wants can use them in their letters to mom eventually. Look around on some free-font sites. The Mercedes font (forgotten the name) is one of those (though it's not designed for plain text).

What else can you find on those freefont sites? A wide variety of fonts from crappy amateurish stuff (like the fool logo is made from) up to some classic fonts without copyright. But if you want the real deal, you'll have to buy a font or font pack from a site like linotype (http://www.linotype.com). Uh... this has nothing to do with Micrsoft, okay: I don't think the MS logo is that great either (for the big empire which it is), but it survived from the good old days until now, and a new logo would also require a huge campaign and general image overhaul and whatnot in this case. People are quite used to it.

What's next? Oh yeah, graphical symbols. The logo on Lateralus seems to be created by Mackie Osborne (says so on the back of the sleeve), and this appears to be a guy who knows what he's doing. Actually i think this sleeve is the only piece from Tool with a certain graphical quality. Can't tell, the logo is either a combination of an already existing font or completely his own creation, but it follows some important rules. These rules are quite the same as in painting or sculpting and music. Has to do with composition, harmony, contrasts and so on. And of course sometimes things will only get interesting when rules are broken. But believe me, there is a huge, noticable difference between consciously breaking rules and not knowing them. What i want to say with those many words: The new logo is shit. It is either quite poor Illutrator work, or just a crappy free font. Yeah.

[aeonflux]

hey, has anyone else noticed that the 't' kind of looks like an 'f'?

[orange.juice]

go please your mom.

[czar]

how can you guys think thats actually going to be the album cover? that design and font was put up as the album-mini... not the album cover... there's a huge difference

[toocooltool]

Now look, it works like this: Company decides to lift their image, so they hire a team of advertising guys. In some cases, huge ammounts of money are involved. Then it's not a bunch of advertising guys anymore but a renowned graphics agency. They may (amongst all other image questions and solutions) design either a graphical symbol or some typo as a logo. Usually, they use high profile fonts which are created by talented people who again earn a lot of money from this. The copyright for these fonts however expires after several years (mostly because it's expensive), so everyone who wants can use them in their letters to mom eventually. Look around on some free-font sites. The Mercedes font (forgotten the name) is one of those (though it's not designed for plain text).

What else can you find on those freefont sites? A wide variety of fonts from crappy amateurish stuff (like the fool logo is made from) up to some classic fonts without copyright. But if you want the real deal, you'll have to buy a font or font pack from a site like linotype (http://www.linotype.com). Uh... this has nothing to do with Micrsoft, okay: I don't think the MS logo is that great either (for the big empire which it is), but it survived from the good old days until now, and a new logo would also require a huge campaign and general image overhaul and whatnot in this case. People are quite used to it.

What's next? Oh yeah, graphical symbols. The logo on Lateralus seems to be created by Mackie Osborne (says so on the back of the sleeve), and this appears to be a guy who knows what he's doing. Actually i think this sleeve is the only piece from Tool with a certain graphical quality. Can't tell, the logo is either a combination of an already existing font or completely his own creation, but it follows some important rules. These rules are quite the same as in painting or sculpting and music. Has to do with composition, harmony, contrasts and so on. And of course sometimes things will only get interesting when rules are broken. But believe me, there is a huge, noticable difference between consciously breaking rules and not knowing them. What i want to say with those many words: The new logo is shit. It is either quite poor Illutrator work, or just a crappy free font. Yeah.


I disagree, but respect the effort you put into your post.

[Bill_Hix]

This albums art is awesome enough to make up for its dumbass title.

^ beat me to it

[Happyfunball]

In regards to this art being old, does it not dawn on everyone the reality that much of this "new" music might actually be just as old if not older than Alex Grey's work? Perhaps the music and this artwork has been a collaborative work for some length of time now, and it just so happened that Alex finished his part of the collaboration well before Tool was ready to finish their side of things. The question then arises, does Alex have a right to go forward and display his own portion of the collaboration apart from the Tool cd? I would have to say yes, seeing as how it is his livelihood to do so and this is easily a good stand-alone piece of art.

I'm reminded of the way Roger Dean and Yes had an artist/musician relationship for many years in the 70's (and have now continued on from the 90's to the present). The difference in Roger's case may very well be that he had no reason to go forward and display his Yes-related art in advance of their new albums coming out. They were producing albums at a one-per-year clip. Everything he did for them was on display to the public in a very timely manner. Tool on the other hand has taken quite a long while to release their new CD. Meanwhile, Alex may have been approached to create (and subsiquently finish) some artwork for the upcoming disc quite a long time ago.

[HolyReality]

I just don't understand why the intro on toolband is so drastically different from the new album artwork. can anyone explain that to me?

[Vianney]

I just don't understand why the intro on toolband is so drastically different from the new album artwork. can anyone explain that to me?

since when does a website have to match a band's album artwork... moreover, has toolband.com's design ever matched tool's latest album? That would get pretty old considering the time lapse between albums.

[Vianney]

Looking at the poster again, I was thinking (here's more fuel for the 10000 days is really live dvd debate), the art is rectangular, not square. Wouldn't that be more appropriate for a DVD case? This doesn't rule out that, IF this is the image to be used for the album cover, than it simply could be cropped to this shape for the poster. But if this really were the full image for the album cover, I highly doubt they would scrunch it down, thus distorting the image, into a square shape.

[mustbevicarious]

I love it that it says "toolband.com" at the bottom of this poster. People will be like "Oh, this band looks relatively okay, I'll check out toolband.com"

5 minutes later-

"Oh, fuck, it's just some fucker called Blair and his stupid-ass escapades. I'm buying the new mudvayne instead."

[Choice Breath]

I love it that it says "toolband.com" at the bottom of this poster. People will be like "Oh, this band looks relatively okay, I'll check out toolband.com"

5 minutes later-

"Oh, fuck, it's just some fucker called Blair and his stupid-ass escapades. I'm buying the new mudvayne instead."

Nail on the head!

Also, judging from this artwork, I'd say the new album is really entitled:

"The Infinite Acorn".

Just take a look.

[Octopod]

The artwork for Lateralus was older than the record.

Five months of display time doesn't bother me. The connections to the music are what matter.

[Light Reflections]

If the artwork fits the theme of the album, I'm all for it.

[the white]

tool never cease to amaze me, unbelievable art work.....wow i want a promo pic or poster, something..

[Pineal]

The promo stickers and posters for Lateralus that I saw were sort of inferior quality (or rather, less detailed/a detail from the art) versions of the final booklet (i.e. often just the first face of the guy on a black background).

Maybe this pic is also in that sort of tradition?

[Headmusic]

Here's a full shot of Alex Grey's mural "Net of Being". Same picture as what's been released, but complete, and in color.....

http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/photos/web_of_being

[czar]

I just don't understand why the intro on toolband is so drastically different from the new album artwork. can anyone explain that to me?

From wikipedia:

In 2005, Tool's web domain Toolband.com was rerouted to a gateway to the known official Tool websites. According to Distortion Online, the Tool logo seen on the gateway page is not a new logo, but an invention by web designer Joshua Davis, who has reportedly been asked by Adam Jones to take over the Tool websites.

[Briznitch]

The artwork for Lateralus was older than the record.

Five months of display time doesn't bother me. The connections to the music are what matter.
The artwork for Lateralus was made FOR Lateralus.

[peripheral]

i am not too bright, and i am lazy, but at alexgrey.com, he has his new (i.e. tool) album cover artwork posted with the album title. does that mean that alex grey is in on the 'hoax' of the album title and the 'artwork'? not likley. he is too busy to be part of some childish prank. which may hurt the feelings of some.

[tempathy]

psst guys...












it's a vagina

you beat me to it. and it's something tool would definitely do. heavy metal vagina. hows that for a third eye?

[Grimface]

It looks fucking sweet. I love it!

[Grimface]

i am not too bright, and i am lazy, but at alexgrey.com, he has his new (i.e. tool) album cover artwork posted with the album title. does that mean that alex grey is in on the 'hoax' of the album title and the 'artwork'? not likley. he is too busy to be part of some childish prank. which may hurt the feelings of some.

Yep. And he even says:

"Many fans have inquired regarding the album art TOOL has released on Amazon for pre-sale of the album.

The cover is an adaptation of Alex Grey's painting, Net of Being."

[Octopod]

The artwork for Lateralus was made FOR Lateralus.

So what? It's still older than the record, necessarily so. Are you telling me that just because this piece was hung up for viewing for some period of time that it automatically doesn't qualify for a Tool cover? I'm sorry, but I think that's a little petulant.

The work was done, it's cool looking, and the artist let the band use it. The band obviously thought a lot of it. What more do you want? A fresh commission of something else? Anything else... as long as it's "new"? To me, if this piece of artwork accomplishes what the band have in mind, there's no need to commission something else. If Tool and Grey feel they are on the same page, I'm willing to see where they take me.

You're the same guy who said that 10,000 Days is a "ripoff" of 10,000 Fists, right? Big surprise. I have a few links for you. Apparently Disturbed aren't the only band Tool are copping:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001HAGWY/qid=1144389049/sr=1-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005IBI6/qid=1144389121/sr=1-31/ref=sr_1_31/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000523MM/qid=1144389121/sr=1-36/ref=sr_1_36/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BRP48U/qid=1144389196/sr=1-42/ref=sr_1_42/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2H79U/qid=1144389196/sr=1-45/ref=sr_1_45/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005IABM/qid=1144389021/sr=1-14/ref=sr_1_14/104-4776361-2175906?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

Do you think Tool is worried that someone might think they are ripping off any of these artists? I can't even imagine how or why you would say yes. So why would they even take "10,000 Fists" into account? That title isn't even a reference to the concept of time.

[Goldfoot]

I feel sorry for those of you who care enough to be disappointed already. Ok sure, this piece isn't a new piece created for the album, but haw many people have seen it before? People who like Alex Grey. People that don't know about Alex Grey will get a taste of his artwork again. There's no harm in that and if Tool wants to do that, let them. If you think you know what they should do, make your own cover and throw the artwork away when it comes out because you don't like it.

If you're truly unhappy with something, change it to your liking. With something like a CD it's really easy to make it how YOU want it. This is only a suggestion, you don't have to do it. But for fucks sake, quit bitching.

[LoKi]

leaks don't have artwork.

[Pablo]

here's another scoop for you... the final artwork / packaging allegedly has "a 3D element to it, like on Aenima" - quote Danny Carey from Feb 2006.

I guess it's only a few weeks till we all find out.

Ciao,

Pablo

PS - there really are some genuine dickheads on here aren't there? I don't need to name names, you know who you are... : )

[Postman Pat]

Probably old news but Metal Hammer magazine which i bought yesterday (u.k) has some new art work on the back cover. Looks shit hot.

[Vaginal Replicator]

Scan please, or pic.

[Clutch it like an AEnima]

link....link....LINKKKKKKKKK

[Postman Pat]

Scan please, or pic.
I try to sort out when i get back from work sorry

[HalfASandwidch]

Does anyone else have this mag? I'd like to see this.

[tempathy]

this thread is worthless without pictures

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

have you all missed the boat? This is old. I'll post a link once I find it.

[Vaginal Replicator]

He said he'll try and up them later, he's at work.

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

http://static.flickr.com/54/124933732_069c828c5f.jpg?v=0 There you go.

[HalfASandwidch]

Oh, this. Should have just said that's what it was =P

[lachrymoIogy]

Oh, this. Should have just said that's what it was =P yeah, old news.

[lysergide dreams]

hmm. out may 1st?

[Goldfoot]

hmm. out may 1st?

Europe....

[stagger lee]

a full page ad for the new album on the back of the may issue of metal hammer magazine has confirmed the title as 10,000 days and that the alex grey picture and associated font are real. it also promises a 1st may release date for the u.k

this is a monday and more than likely means people in ireland (like me) will be able to purchase the album on friday the 28th in HMV et al as new records set for a monday release in england nearly always come out the friday beforehand here.

it also means that we'll probably be able to get it in non-soundscan affiliated shops (like second hand places) on thursday 27th.

gonna try to photo it and resize it for those who dont believe me and actually care.

dont bother telling me this has been posted before, even if it has. i cant see it and anyway i have a problem with my eyesight that means i cant read that kind of sentence.

[martyrinexile86]

I personally think the artwork on the promo poster is light years better than the intiial supposed album art, and if it does in fact have a 3D element to it, it could possibly rival the Lateralus artwork.