Set Length

[bass_dude]

Just a quick question, once i have an answer i'll delete this (if i can do that on this board): How long (roughly) do Tool generally play? (question for those who have seen them before, obviously). I'm trying to figure out roughly what time i'll be home afterwards, and weather or not there is time for anough of the Old stuff to keep me satisfied as well as the new.

Cheers

Alex

[chalimar]

They mostly did ~2 hours at the Lateralus tour.

[mattw]

2 hours for most shows

e.g. Tool: 9pm-11pm

12 songs on the Lateralus tour - have a look at the tour section on this site for more details...

[Andorion]

You can't delete posts or threads on this board, sorry =) I wonder if they'll play some longer sets this new tour... I can't imagine the band can handle more than 2 hours at a time though.

[Bogart]

About 2 hours

[The Village Too]

yeah don't expect it to be more than 2 hours. i'm pretty sure maynard's gonna rupture his throat on the upcoming tours

just don't say i didn't warn you

[Snakedragon]

dont tool have an intermission for like 15-20 mins in the middle?

[Metlamaniac]

yeah don't expect it to be more than 2 hours. i'm pretty sure maynard's gonna rupture his throat on the upcoming tours

just don't say i didn't warn you


oh we know....we know

Check -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard

[bass_dude]

Cool guys, thanks for that info :)

Alex

[pork chops]

i would agree with the 2 hour set time. i will say this, do not expect an encore. Tool does not play them. i have seen tool 7 times and they have never played an encore. it's funny hearing peole complain about it on the way out of the arena. all i can do is laugh. i mean you just witnessed a band that gives you everything they have in the name of their art and all you can do is cry about no encore. give me a break. if you have seen tool i'm sure that you would agree with me that there is no need for an encore. and if you haven't seen tool you need to. best show i have ever been to was the seattle stop on the lataralus tour.

[Snakedragon]

damn 2 hours is not enough to fit in lots of tool music :(

it will still be awesome though *crosses fingers*

[Andorion]

I heard they did play an "encore" of sorts at just a few shows... they came out about 20 minutes after the show ended and performed Faaip de Oiad. "Secret" track performance.

[Comebackrunning]

dont tool have an intermission for like 15-20 mins in the middle?

I think when I saw them they had an intermission whilst the schism vid was previewed.

[Snakedragon]

if they have a break in the middle, wouldnt they be ok to play for 3 hours altogether?

like 1 hour 30 mins 1st set, break for 30 mins, then another 1 hour 30 set?

thats what lots of bands do from personal experience

[bass_dude]

I heard they did play an "encore" of sorts at just a few shows... they came out about 20 minutes after the show ended and performed Faaip de Oiad. "Secret" track performance.

how could they "perform" Faaip de Oiad..?

I think an encore would be cool, if Maynard is tired, do D/R/T, that would be awsome. (after ending the Main Show on Lateralus, of course)

Alex

[erazorhead]

how could they "perform" Faaip de Oiad..?


Alex

s'just guitar with heavy effects and drums i thought, but i could be wrong, i dont listen to this track much. at night it wakes me up and i always have a few seconds of terror trying to figure out what the fuck that freaky noise is

[bass_dude]

s'just guitar with heavy effects and drums i thought, but i could be wrong, i dont listen to this track much. at night it wakes me up and i always have a few seconds of terror trying to figure out what the fuck that freaky noise is

I always thought it was just danny drumming away with static over the top- didn't think there was guitar in there at all.

[Tyson]

if they have a break in the middle, wouldnt they be ok to play for 3 hours altogether?

like 1 hour 30 mins 1st set, break for 30 mins, then another 1 hour 30 set?

thats what lots of bands do from personal experience

No break in the middle, just Adam playing the same 3 notes over and over again.

[the usual]

They mostly did ~2 hours at the Lateralus tour.

W/ an halfhour iintermission.
remember the face who's skin would pull back and expose the skull.
Amazing special effect.
I'm sure their festival sets will be shorter than the set they play on their own tour.

[bass_dude]

I'm sure their festival sets will be shorter than the set they play on their own tour.

That's a given. They aren't even Headlining Reading- Pearl Jam are- that won't leave too long for a set.

Alex

[RedVilliam]

That's a given. They aren't even Headlining Reading- Pearl Jam are- that won't leave too long for a set.

Alex
Oh, how that must suck for PJ....

I too have seen Tool multiple times and I've never seen them do an encore. During the Lateralus tour they did play about to hours no "intermission" per say but if you could call it the middle of the set there is like 15 minutes or so where everything is dark and our just hearing noise rainging from all of the "odd" traks like mantra,
(-) <--- that one.

Seriously though, Tool Live is something you really have to experience to understand. If your not a fan and are just going with your friends you will leave as a fan; If you are "just a fan" you'll leave with a new favorite band; If they are your favorite band it's probly as close to nirvana as anyone of us is ever going to get ; P

[alucinar]

That's a given. They aren't even Headlining Reading- Pearl Jam are- that won't leave too long for a set.

Alex

bass_dude I've heard bout the PJ Tool reading fest story but nothing is confirmed yet as far as I know and most importantly which days these guys will be playing (oh please for PJ headline with tool beforehand)

[bass_dude]

Oh, how that must suck for PJ....

I too have seen Tool multiple times and I've never seen them do an encore. During the Lateralus tour they did play about to hours no "intermission" per say but if you could call it the middle of the set there is like 15 minutes or so where everything is dark and our just hearing noise rainging from all of the "odd" traks like mantra,
(-) <--- that one.

Seriously though, Tool Live is something you really have to experience to understand. If your not a fan and are just going with your friends you will leave as a fan; If you are "just a fan" you'll leave with a new favorite band; If they are your favorite band it's probly as close to nirvana as anyone of us is ever going to get ; P

Haha, i know, me and my bandmates are heading down there, I'm a huge Tool Fan, the others are too, but not as much as i am, so this is going to be awsome. Standing too- I'm not going to be able to stop talking at school the next day :)

Alex

[HiPp_1]

I feel sorry for Pearl Jam, no way they can follow TOOL

[erazorhead]

at the brisbane show they took a break to show the parabol/parabola clip

[erazorhead]

I always thought it was just danny drumming away with static over the top- didn't think there was guitar in there at all.

yeah, actually now that i listen to it again, its just fuzz noise and static.

[meatstick]

oh we know....we know

Check -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard


I have never seen this clip. where did you get it, and are there more?

On the same note, I saw Deftones last night, and Chino sounded terrible, his voice was totally fried. I guess he is just spending too much time at the buffet, and not enough time doing vocal workouts.

[Boozy Eulogist]

1 hour and 40 minutes. This was pretty much the average.

[adda da suh]

I have never seen this clip. where did you get it, and are there more?

On the same note, I saw Deftones last night, and Chino sounded terrible, his voice was totally fried. I guess he is just spending too much time at the buffet, and not enough time doing vocal workouts.
Yeah I saw the Deftones in Cleveland, and Chino sounded awful there too. I thought he used alot of effects on his voice in the studio, but live it is RIDICULOUS!!!! I had no idea what he was saying. I knew what he was SUPPOSED to be saying!!

To sum it up for you. Back in 01' a week or so after 9/11 I was unable to go to the TOOL show in Cleveland, and was home with my kid when the phone rang...it was my buddy who was at the TOOL show. He held up his cell phone, and let me hear all of "pushit" and it sounded better listening to his cell phone on my house phone, than the Deftones did when I was actually there...kind of sad actually. Hey at least the tix were free.

[meatstick]

I have seen them (deftones) 7 or 8 times, this was by far the worst. 2 years ago, Chino sounded great. I would be interested to see more clips of Maynard when he has vocal problems. Or just any Tool videos in general.

[psims23]

You can't delete posts or threads on this board, sorry =) I wonder if they'll play some longer sets this new tour... I can't imagine the band can handle more than 2 hours at a time though.


Mars Volta played for abtou 2 and a half hours straight when I saw em at UCSD, they played pretty much nonstop, was pretty crazy... I was just waiting for the drummers arms to fall off

[Boozy Eulogist]

Mars Volta played for abtou 2 and a half hours straight when I saw em at UCSD, they played pretty much nonstop, was pretty crazy... I was just waiting for the drummers arms to fall off

Well if we are going to talk about OTHER bands, I can name dozens that I have seen who have put on shows longer than two hours.

Thank God Mars Volta kept it short for me. I like some of their stuff (Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus fits right into my 70s prog collection as a powerhouse.) but they were on an ego trip that night (much like they are in most interviews and off strage) so it was maybe 50 minutes of music and 40 minutes of "how great we are".

It's like a better version of Filter or Audioslave.

Just shut the fuck up and play some music.

[meatstick]

Wonder what then longest set Tool has ever played was?

[alucinar]

I've seen tool 4 times in the last 12 years (unfortunately) but you can bet on a solid 1 and a half hours of pure songs ( minus the segues and other bullshit ) and if your lucky an extra 20 minutes or so , dont think they ever played over 2 hours solid . plus they doing shitloads of festivals in europe so those shows prob just hit the hour mark - not fuckin good enough

[Boozy Eulogist]

I doubt I'll ever see anyone break The Rancid Yak Butter Tea Party.

The band was breaking up, so they did a final show called the Slumber Party. The show started at 11pm and ended at 8am. They played every song they had ever written, and then did improve and requests, and then played Mr. Bungle's entire self titled album.

God those guys were cool.

[Sol Invictus]

dude i know what yall mean about the deftones thing, I saw them right after White pony came out and chino was just wasted, pants were falling down, voice was horrible, rest of the band was pissed. But then i saw them right after the last self/titled album came out they fucking ripped that place up, hadnt seen a better show since I had seen tool back in '02.

[ATARI]

not long enough

[chalimar]

not long enough

indeed.

[tooldude]

i saw the mars volta with apc a couple years ago.....i was impressed. they played a damn good show...they played about an hour and a half and played only 3 songs.

[orange.juice]

yeh, the Mars Volta live are very nice.

[Bogart]

yeh, the Mars Volta live are very nice.
I saw them open for APC and thought they were horrible.

[stinkfish]

oh we know....we know

Check -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard

haha, thanks for the link. that was funny.

[lucydog]

The Dead play for about 3 hours, broken into 2 sets. The sets will have a different feel to them, it would be sweet if were Tool were to do the same. A first set that kicks ass, and a second set that blows your mind. I think 2 sets is better than a short intermission- it gives the band time to relax and rest.

[Boozy Eulogist]

My favorite part of the video is how adam keep's bobbing his head and jamming. He looked up sure, but he always was in his own world on stage. Nothing like a live instrumental Tool set I say.

[meatstick]

if I wanted to hear 3 songs played in an hour and a half i would go see Phish.
I don't think feedback counts as a song either.

I love neil Diamond.

[Boozy Eulogist]

The Dead play for about 3 hours, broken into 2 sets. The sets will have a different feel to them, it would be sweet if were Tool were to do the same. A first set that kicks ass, and a second set that blows your mind. I think 2 sets is better than a short intermission- it gives the band time to relax and rest.

Every fuckin jam band does that.

[Boozy Eulogist]

The best long sets in my opinion are Primus.

12 awesome songs from various albums, and then Frizzle Fry from begining to end.

Fuck that 3 songs in an hour holyer than thou crap, Give me 3 hours of Primus Bliss. :-P

[meatstick]

Primus Bliss
that is what I named my cock.

[meatstick]

I saw the Allman Brother play for 2 and a half hours, that was great.

[chalimar]

My favorite part of the video is how adam keep's bobbing his head and jamming. He looked up sure, but he always was in his own world on stage. Nothing like a live instrumental Tool set I say.

for a second it looks like he is about to stop playing but then it looks like he doesn't give a fuck or he doesn't realize what's going on.

poor nard though. i guess it really sucks losing your voice onstage.

[meatstick]

I have seen Tool 5 times over the years, and have never heard Maynard have any problems. I wonder how often he does have trouble?
And on that clip, doesn't it seem like his vocals are too loud anyway?

[chalimar]

i've got one bootleg where he fucks up the end of "third eye". dunno if he does it on purpose though, can't judge from his facial expression but he looks like he is about to laugh. i think i'll cut it out of the bootleg and up it somewhere so you can see it for yourselves.

[meatstick]

great. Thanks in advance

now, back to masturbation...

[ATARI]

I saw them open for APC and thought they were horrible.

that's because they do suck

[electribe1]

oh we know....we know

Check -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard


Don't get me wrong...i LOVE tool...but i think this video is HILARIOUS!...sorry maynard

[electribe1]

I doubt I'll ever see anyone break The Rancid Yak Butter Tea Party.

The band was breaking up, so they did a final show called the Slumber Party. The show started at 11pm and ended at 8am. They played every song they had ever written, and then did improve and requests, and then played Mr. Bungle's entire self titled album.

God those guys were cool.


I was at that show...TRYBTP RULES! Tyler, scott and some of the other guys in that band are friends of mine.

scott, myself, jesse bartz and dave ramsey jammed on a new project for a bit.

small world

[electribe1]

The best long sets in my opinion are Primus.

12 awesome songs from various albums, and then Frizzle Fry from begining to end.

Fuck that 3 songs in an hour holyer than thou crap, Give me 3 hours of Primus Bliss. :-P


they did seas of cheese from start to end...not frizzle fry

[toology514]

On the same note, I saw Deftones last night, and Chino sounded terrible, his voice was totally fried. I guess he is just spending too much time at the buffet, and not enough time doing vocal workouts.

I saw them about a month ago. yes he was fat, but his voice was really good...

[adda da suh]

they did seas of cheese from start to end...not frizzle fry
They do frizzle fry from beginning to end on the Hallucongenetics DVD or whatever it is called. Its the second set. The DVD was like $9 it is insane

[Jesus Knievel]

every kid who goes to my school and likes tool claim they saw tool play every song at teh shows...dolts

[bass_dude]

They do frizzle fry from beginning to end on the Hallucongenetics DVD or whatever it is called. Its the second set. The DVD was like $9 it is insane

yeah. I love that DVD.

[ladiatia]

Regarding Maynard's voice problems on stage I saw him with APC here in Barcelona and he had some problems in a pair of songs. The show was great anyway.

Regarding the length of the Shows, I will go for the 2 hours. When I saw them in Tokyo during the Pre-Seminal Tour (Lateralus) they played for 2 hours. It included the official premiere of the PARABOL/A video anyway. Best Show I have ever been to.

[Boozy Eulogist]

they did seas of cheese from start to end...not frizzle fry

Yeah I saw them on the second leg, first leg they did indeed do Seas of Cheese.

[bass_dude]

OK, as i have this thread open and pretty much active, and as i cannae close it...

anyone who's been to tool before know what kind of stuff is on sale at the gigs? Is it just the usual overpriced shirts, or are there special items on sale? Roughly how much would be a good amount to bring cash wise IF there was anything worth getting?

thanks

Alex

[lucydog]

Actually, they play a lot more than 3 songs an hour. I saw Bob Weir and Ratdog this winter- they did like 20 something songs, over 2 sets, fucking incredible show. One of the top 3 shows ive ever been too. Primus rules though- i saw them at Vegoose- didnt do frizzle fry start to finish- but played an amazing set of stuff off frizzle fry, seas of cheese and punchbowl. And Phish is no more.

[chalimar]

great. Thanks in advance

now, back to masturbation...

there ya go:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4601719908082519807

the nard out of voice/breath whatever.

[Snakedragon]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard

i saw that and felt quite sorry for maynard there- he was trying his best, and his voice just gave up

must have been quite a bad night for him

[Loveboat Captain]

That video makes me want to kill myself, actually.

[2and46]

With more material, I wish they could ditch the opening act and just do "evening with" shows. 2 1/2 hours with no opening act. I know this is wishful thinking, but that would be ideal.

[Metlamaniac]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4284365265567106977&q=maynard

i saw that and felt quite sorry for maynard there- he was trying his best, and his voice just gave up

must have been quite a bad night for him


Can anyone find out whether he came back to finish the gig?

[bass_dude]

With more material, I wish they could ditch the opening act and just do "evening with" shows. 2 1/2 hours with no opening act. I know this is wishful thinking, but that would be ideal.


that would be good, but opening acts are cool (even if they suck)- they either get the crowd pumped up moreso than they already are, or (if they suck) they just prolong the wait, builing people up to Tool. :)

Alex

[2and46]

that would be good, but opening acts are cool (even if they suck)- they either get the crowd pumped up moreso than they already are, or (if they suck) they just prolong the wait, builing people up to Tool. :)

Alex

Tool has always been respectful of other bands, so I'm sure they'll have an opening act. But god...3 hours of live Tool would be special.

[TurdEye13]

Most of the time they play for a little over 2 hours

[seadonkey]

Can anyone find out whether he came back to finish the gig?
Tool are not Guns n Roses. He finished the set.

Also, in the Parabola video where he throws down his mic, I'm almost positive that there were technical problems with his mic and that's why he got pissed and threw it down. I think the reason everyone thinks he fucked up his voice is because of people like MIDGARD who hate Tool and would like to see them burn.
If I'm wrong though, I'm wrong. But I've heard from several people it was actually just tech problems.

I have seen Tool about 7 times and in my experience, the sets have usually gone for about 2 hours 15 minutes.

[Psychedelic_warrior]

I saw them open for APC and thought they were horrible.


I saw that tour in Salem, the sound ws horrible, it was like being in a high school gymnasium. Both bands were rocking hard, but there was so much reverb and echo i couldnt make out any lyrics, not even Maynards.

[chonus]

I saw them open for APC and thought they were horrible.


I thought The Mars Volta act was pretty cool.

[BaronSamedi]

Tool are not Guns n Roses. He finished the set.

Also, in the Parabola video where he throws down his mic, I'm almost positive that there were technical problems with his mic and that's why he got pissed and threw it down. I think the reason everyone thinks he fucked up his voice is because of people like MIDGARD who hate Tool and would like to see them burn.
If I'm wrong though, I'm wrong. But I've heard from several people it was actually just tech problems.



That is from the 8/17/2002 show in Providence. If you really care, you could look up the reviews on TDN to figure it out. It was really cool to see them play the latter portion of the song instrumental.

E: After watching it again, my best guess is that when his voice cracked, he got flustered and lost where he was in the song. Right before he throws the mic down, he is trying to catch up with his lyrics, but he just can't. Also, he sounds fine for the rest of the songs after Parabola, so I think he just lost where he was in the song.

[Loveboat Captain]

His vocals sounded too loud. His voice cracks, he trys to catch up, it fucks up again. He gives up. When it fucks up the first time you can see his awkwardness in his body language. I feel sorry for him in this bit because there is NOTHING you can do. I sing sometimes, and vocals arent like instruments, you cant just restring them or tune them up. Although im wondering why he bothered trying again. After the first time it woulda been better to shut up and let the band do it instrumental. I dont think I woulda noticed a fuck up in that case.

[Loveboat Captain]

Did he comment about it after the song?

[BaronSamedi]

I dont think I woulda noticed a fuck up in that case.

You mean, other than the fact that there were no vocals for the rest of the song...

e: Not directly after the song, they go into Aenima after Danny does his electronic tinkering.

[seadonkey]

That is from the 8/17/2002 show in Providence. If you really care, you could look up the reviews on TDN to figure it out. It was really cool to see them play the latter portion of the song instrumental.

E: After watching it again, my best guess is that when his voice cracked, he got flustered and lost where he was in the song. Right before he throws the mic down, he is trying to catch up with his lyrics, but he just can't. Also, he sounds fine for the rest of the songs after Parabola, so I think he just lost where he was in the song.
Oh yah, I wasn't saying he came back and finished the song, I was saying that he came out and finished the show; he didn't just quit and go home and the rest of the band stood out there and hung around for a while playing their instruments. The Guns n Roses thing was just my comment that Maynard is not Axle Rose; he came out and finished the set instead of playing a few songs then being like "fuck this crowd" and leaving.
Also, I just heard it was technical error from a friend I knew who was there. I saw them twice in NC and once in SC when they were doing the Lateralus tour and never noticed any vocal problems.

[bass_dude]

Oh yah, I wasn't saying he came back and finished the song, I was saying that he came out and finished the show; he didn't just quit and go home and the rest of the band stood out there and hung around for a while playing their instruments. The Guns n Roses thing was just my comment that Maynard is not Axle Rose; he came out and finished the set instead of playing a few songs then being like "fuck this crowd" and leaving.
Also, I just heard it was technical error from a friend I knew who was there. I saw them twice in NC and once in SC when they were doing the Lateralus tour and never noticed any vocal problems.


the second part where he actually threw the mic did look like a tech hich, but the bit where his voice broke looks like it was just unlucky on his part.

Alex

[Loveboat Captain]

It wouldn't have looked like a fuck up. It would've looked like improvisation.

[Metlamaniac]

That video shows his voice fucking up......he looses lyrics.....cant quite reach the high note. He is probably worn out. Definately doesn't look like a techincal fault to me. Must be so fuckin knackering to sing like he has to on a tour. I know he tries to go less 'dirty' on some of his screams to save his voice from fucking up. Crazy shit