Why does tool have to go political

[forty6&two]

"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me why

[Naga Royal Guard]

i dont think they will be parading around screaming " fuck bush" on this album

[Ryan]

IT ALREADY STARTED IN THE CITY SUBURBIA WILL BE JUST AS EAASSSY LOL!!!!!!

boy that sucked.

[spiralout987]

1. because it's true

2. the album itself probably isn't political, i think he was trying to say that that topic may have influenced the album, but not necessarily by the means the music having political material, but rather just as an inspiration that creates emotions portrayed on the album







"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me why

[ArizonaBay]

A political bent could be interesting because being Tool it will probably be articulate meaningful and subtle. So no i dont think they will be screaming "fuck bush" either.

[ArizonaBay]

Theyve touched on it before anyway,that whole one mind, spirit, consciousness deal is a very socialist message.

[LetTheRabbitsWearGlasses]

From what I've seen here, people are in fucking love with tool's "spiritual" and "totally deep" lyrics, and will reject any inklings that the band might steer away or (OMG NO!!!111) abandon them entirely. I don't see why. Oh no, tool aren't going to be singing about chakras and third eyes, but instead want to talk about relevant social subjects! Whatever is there to do?

It's not going to be like System of a Down, it's not going to be like eMotive. They'll probably write their lyrics with enough subtelty so that when they get into political matter, you won't even notice it. It will be tool and it will be awesome, and that should be enough.

[hellboy1975]

I thought several songs on Undertow and Aenima were political in nature? I don't think there's anything new here, I can't see Tool having songs being blatantly political....

[forty6&two]

From what I've seen here, people are in fucking love with tool's "spiritual" and "totally deep" lyrics, and will reject any inklings that the band might steer away or (OMG NO!!!111) abandon them entirely. I don't see why. Oh no, tool aren't going to be singing about chakras and third eyes, but instead want to talk about relevant social subjects! Whatever is there to do?

It's not going to be like System of a Down, it's not going to be like eMotive. They'll probably write their lyrics with enough subtelty so that when they get into political matter, you won't even notice it. It will be tool and it will be awesome, and that should be enough.

I'm sorry, please love me

[LetTheRabbitsWearGlasses]

*loves forty6&2...in the ass*

[STA]

it's not going to be like eMotive.

I'm holding you to this.

[KJM]

I really wish I could make my font huge.


IF YOU DON'T THINK TOOL HAS EVER HAD ANY SORT OF SOCIAL/POLITICAL NUDGE WINK ANYWHERE IN THEIR MUSIC YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

Thank you.

[paraology]

All you people are making way to big a deal about what Maynard and Danny said about this album. All the Bush thing meant was that they are mad and they are gonna take it out on their instruments with the most aggressive, heavy, in your fucking face album they could possibly make. And who cares what Maynards lyrics are about. All that matters is the way the lyrics sound with the music. As long as he isnt whining on this album like the staind singer we are gonna be ok.

[STA]

IF YOU DON'T THINK TOOL HAS EVER HAD ANY SORT OF SOCIAL/POLITICAL NUDGE WINK ANYWHERE IN THEIR MUSIC YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

Thank you.

Absolutely, those elements have been present. But there's a large and relevant difference between a "social/political nudge wink" and, say, a cover of Imagine.

[juncopartner]

all of the previous albums have been great, and just because this time they chose to announce their feelings about the turmoil in their country should not make a difference. i am sure there were things going on during the previous recordings that influenced them as well. go back to 1995 or 2000 and dig up some social problems america was having, and then blame them on the sound of aenima or lateralus. i trust tool's judgement, and if they are going in a new direction, i will be waiting with open arms to embrace what ever may come.

[spiralout987]

you're a [no] dredg

[hellboy1975]

I think the douche bags that registered January 1st, 2006 should not be able to post new threads. Who is with me?
Yeah fuck freedom of speech!
/sarcasm

[Boozy Eulogist]

They had many political quotes in the now long dead Ideas section of Tool army. I can't say that them speaking their political views in interviews, or even feeding it into their songs makes them a political band at all.

[Shpongleyes]

anybody see the video for Hush???????

hmmmmmmmmm.........

[Boozy Eulogist]

That's the one where they show their love for Tipper Gore right?

[Nemesis]

I thought several songs on Undertow and Aenima were political in nature? I don't think there's anything new here, I can't see Tool having songs being blatantly political....

There are Tool fans who were into the band at Undertow and Aenima, and there are fans who got into the band at Lateralus, I was an Aenima person and would love the album to be in the same aggressive style as this one.

[Boozy Eulogist]

What about the Opiate/Undertow/Aenima/Salival/Lateralus People? Plenty of those.

[Shpongleyes]

That's the one where they show their love for Tipper Gore right?


hahaha

niice.

[Shpongleyes]

I would expect songs with a lean toward combating social stigmas. i.e. Aenima .. As for political, the politicians are really the ones who combat those social stigmas...(obviously a fairly general statement, but still) so writing songs that denounce certain practices within government is not too far off. That said, I don't think we'll be hearing "why don't presidents fight the war," it'll be much more subtle (hopefully, even though i do like SOAD)........

[ARMZ]

I don't think they'll actually touch on Bush and his administration, I think they might go deeper into the behind the scenes level i.e the Illuminati and such. If they do they do, if they don't they don't, it will still be music.

[ArizonaBay]

Personally i cant wait to hear a new lyrical direction. Another album of chakra related nonsence would be a bit of a dissapointent. Theyd just be repeating themselves and thats not what i want from Tool.

[Perseensilmä]

Opiate, Undertow, Aenima and Lateralus are all political, at least they can be intepreted as political.

[dracomordag]

as others have said, they're not gonna come out and talk in direct, specific political terms...

they'll handle it with subtlety and artistic concept, maybe like a good Dylan lyric.

wait and see

[UrQuattro]

They've been political on every single album they have put out. I dont know how you couldn't see that, honestly. Hell, lateralus is hugely political, and hugely spiritual. It is an album about freedom of speech, thought, and exploration in to the unknown with a disregard for accepted social norms and expectations.

Never have they been repetitive with their music, nor the lyrical progression. I would predict that they fuse the political messages with their developed spiritual beliefs... I'm looking forward to it alot..

Also, just looking at what APC has been up to, and Skinny Puppy, and all the other stuff that maynard has been involved in, i dont know how you couldn't see a shift toward a much more explicit political style, as well...

It saddens me a little when people are disappointed when a ROCK group 'goes political'... to me, politics and rock go hand in hand... they always have, and hopefully always will...

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again."

He is admitting to you non-believers that they had touched on politics before whether you realized it or not on the Opiate & Undertow albums.

[Hooker with a Third Eye]

i like tool for their music ... just because they have no clue about politics doesnt surprise me

[tentonmantra]

IF YOU DON'T THINK TOOL HAS EVER HAD ANY SORT OF SOCIAL/POLITICAL NUDGE WINK ANYWHERE IN THEIR MUSIC YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

Thank you.

\m/

true.


some people are just retarded.
"oh it´s not MY tool anymore.. booowooo"

[Noob_Jones]

I am fine with them being political as long as it is abstract. I don't want to hear them say "FUCK BUSH" because 30 years from now it will lose all relevance.

Personally I want them to bitch about how the Democrats and Republicans are just two different hands of the same puppet master. Maybe they can use that Bill Hicks quote "Hey its one guy holding up both puppets! Go back to sleep amerika your government is in control" or however the quote actually went.

[/V\agina]

"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me why


....god... First of all, Lateralus was the only really spiritual album. AEnima was by no means spiritual. In fact, it was kinda political, and critical of the media, etc...

You guys are missing the point. No 2 Tool albums are the same. If they are political, it will still kick ass. If you want more spiritual stuff, listen to Jesus Freak.

[KJM]

amerika..is that how the cool kids spell it these days?

[ATARI]

that is how rammstein spells it, but yes

[Noob_Jones]

that is how rammstein spells it, but yes


You get the cookie for picking up on the rammstein reference!

[CCD]

It's this interview that reminds me why I don't read band interviews. Especially, I do not go to rock and rollers for political advice.

[Misanthrope]

Because they saw how much money Greenday made.

[Noob_Jones]

Do you wonder if he will sing about anal sex?

[CCD]

No, no I don't wonder that.

[Perseensilmä]

Have you noticed that all the guys who bitch about Tool being political ARE RIGHTWINGERS or in specific Republicans?

[2and46]

GREAT POINT--juippi. These are the same people I wonder how they could be Tool fans in the first place. Everything Tool stands for is in direct opposition to anything republicans stand for. Conservative republicans suck, and if you don't like this album, then please don't go to the shows. It will be nice not having you there. More free-thinkers the better.

[Noob_Jones]

Everything Tool stands for is in direct opposition to anything republicans stand for.


Fuck off that is a lie. Just because you like to associate everything negative with republicans does not make it so jackass. Sorry for the flame but it is deserved because that is a really stupid comment.

[Perseensilmä]

Actually it isn´t.

[2and46]

My guess is if you ask DC or MJK what they think about republicans, you'd get a similar response. And yes, I am quite the political expert, I teach social problems classes (among others) at a local college. That's beside the point, Tool has had a political bent in all of their records, though not in concrete terms. The whole spiritual movement, whether its meta-physics or other non-traditional belief systems are born out of liberal thought. It seems I've touched a nerve with my political rantings. I really don't see how you can equate the lyrical content of Tool with anything else but the free-thinking ideas of liberalism. Now...proceed to call me names, etc.

[2and46]

I just now recognized that McRoggles posted a thought on another thread stating that Bush has the support of biblical history as the reason for his presidency. Your a Tool fan? How? Christian right-wingers are not exactly the cornerstone of the Toll "movement". Are you a troll?

[Noob_Jones]

My guess is if you ask DC or MJK what they think about republicans, you'd get a similar response. And yes, I am quite the political expert, I teach social problems classes (among others) at a local college. That's beside the point, Tool has had a political bent in all of their records, though not in concrete terms. The whole spiritual movement, whether its meta-physics or other non-traditional belief systems are born out of liberal thought. It seems I've touched a nerve with my political rantings. I really don't see how you can equate the lyrical content of Tool with anything else but the free-thinking ideas of liberalism. Now...proceed to call me names, etc.


Where did I say tool did not hold liberal ideals? I called you an idiot for making a stupid blanket statement.

[Noob_Jones]

I just now recognized that McRoggles posted a thought on another thread stating that Bush has the support of biblical history as the reason for his presidency. Your a Tool fan? How? Christian right-wingers are not exactly the cornerstone of the Toll "movement". Are you a troll?

You can like anything you want to, stop questioning peoples right to like something.

[toolloot]

It can have political references as long as they rock out and don't go all emo it's cool.

[2and46]

What blanket statment? That conservative republicans suck? I was posting a response to juippi's thought that the people who are worried about a political album, are right-wingers. That was more of a blanket statment than anything I've said.

[Noob_Jones]

The Patient was emo and it rocked.

[orange.juice]

it´s popcorn time.

[toolloot]

Had a bad-ass ending. Rocked out, so it was cool.

[Noob_Jones]

What blanket statment?

This one.

Everything Tool stands for is in direct opposition to anything republicans stand for

That conservative republicans suck? I was posting a response to juippi's thought that the people who are worried about a political album, are right-wingers. That was more of a blanket statment than anything I've said.

I am sorry but to say everything tool stands for is the polar opposite of what republicans believe is a HUGE blanket statement. If you can not see that then I don't see how you made it into college let-alone a teaching position. Let me guess you are a teachers aid?

[2and46]

Actually, its harder for a left-leaning student to get a good grade, because they are down my alley, than a right-wing student. As long as a student expresses their thoughts and ideas in a structured, coherant fashion,they will get a good grade.. It's a myth that professors who are left-leaning don't pose ideas from both sides of the aisle. I enjoy debate. And your ideas of concern over my thoughts about politics are quite well taken. By the way, I don't grade on ideology. Whatever your world-views are is fine with me. I will remember to take my own advice on these boards, and not bash right-wingers, but simply speak my own thoughts.

[2and46]

Teacher's aide? Didn't make it to college? I sense some projection here. Then give me some examples of how Tool accepts republican ideology. Sometimes blanket statments are true nontheless. Bythe way, your the one who has resorted to name calling and put downs. Kind of proves my point.

[2and46]

By the way, DC wears a t-shirt with a swastika on the front that says vote republican. Enough proof for you?

[Noob_Jones]

Teacher's aide? Didn't make it to college? I sense some projection here. Then give me some examples of how Tool accepts republican ideology. Sometimes blanket statments are true nontheless. Bythe way, your the one who has resorted to name calling and put downs. Kind of proves my point.


I did not say you didn't make it to college I said I wondered how you could have made it to college yet been unable to see how your comment was a blanket statement. I called you stupid for making a stupid comment and you think that proves your point? I think you need to spend more time on these forums and you will see that is just the way it goes.

I think you are associating being religious with being republican.

[2and46]

Let's agree to disagree. Your entitled to your opinion and am I.

[2and46]

Fair enough roggles. By the way, I wasnthe one who initiated that whole debate anyway. Someone else made the statment that people who are against a political album seem to be right-wingers, and I agreed. That's it. I'm out, and a good day/night to you all.

[BreakX]

Shouldn't the question be, "why has tool gone political?"

They always have been. Opiate, for example, is a fuck you to many of the right-wing conservative christians that make a pretty significant % of Republican voters. Intolerance is about the military establishment.. There are subtle references to, at least, political philosophy in just about every song. Political, religious, and general philosophy has been linked for centuries, and isn't going to stop with Tool.

eMOTIVe seems to be a big reason for a lot of the bashing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Many people, myself excluded, disliked Mer de Noms but loved Lateralus. APC is a different outlet for MJK, and his lyrics distinctly show this. Even if the songs share a thematic resemblance, the structure and word choice will be remarkably different.

Reactions such as this are great motivators for not providing us information. I remember Maynard saying, "we just let the art speak for itself" With these interviews they are trying to describe it and people who have yet to hear a note immediately jump on it for being 'political.' Tool will continue to be Tool. It is possible this album will have more straight forward lyrics, but I am doubting it.

Be patient, listen to the album, then judge.

[Goldfoot]

With these interviews they are trying to describe it and people who have yet to hear a note immediately jump on it for being 'political.' Tool will continue to be Tool. It is possible this album will have more straight forward lyrics, but I am doubting it.

Be patient, listen to the album, then judge.

The same thing happened before With Teeth. Trent mentioned politics before its release and people went apeshit. It's difficult to imagine a "political" NIN album, and we didn't get one. It's more likely from Tool, but I still think it won't be one.

[Wretched]

Tool doesn't have to go political, they just feel like it.

[BreakX]

The same thing happened before With Teeth. Trent mentioned politics before its release and people went apeshit. It's difficult to imagine a "political" NIN album, and we didn't get one. It's more likely from Tool, but I still think it won't be one.

I remember that. I actually enjoyed With Teeth. Not my favorite album, but definitely enjoyable. Artists grow, age, and evolve. It can't be The Downward Spiral part 5. Having an open mind is essential for growing with the artist.

[Goldfoot]

I remember that. I actually enjoyed With Teeth. Not my favorite album, but definitely enjoyable. Artists grow, age, and evolve. It can't be The Downward Spiral part 5. Having an open mind is essential for growing with the artist.
I like it too and just as With Teeth, I'm gonna wait before I make drastic assumptions. With Teeth didn't sound very NINish but it fits with the album.

[BreakX]

I like it too and just as With Teeth, I'm gonna wait before I make drastic assumptions. With Teeth didn't sound very NINish but it fits with the album.
I'm with you on all counts.

I remember reading an interview with Trent where he said, "I used to come up with stuff and say, 'this is good, but not NIN.' With this album I just said, 'fuck it.' I'm not going to limit myself anymore."

I like the artist freedom mentality, but it does seem like many would want them to limit themselves to their past works.

[ChrisBurnham]

Everybody else has their say, so I don't see why TOOL would be exempt.

I'd turn an ear to them before I would turn to, let's say, the Dixie Chicks. I think that it would make for a far more intriguing perspective. Agreed or not...

[Goldfoot]

I like the artist freedom mentality, but it does seem like many would want them to limit them to their past works.

Yet they assume that is what happened based on quotes. Maynard said he's mad so it's gonna sound like Undertow." No, Undertow has come and gone. He already said what he wanted to there. He said he was wondering if he had anything left to say (Much like Trent) so why would he go back and repeat himself? I'm sure they would just not have made music if there was nothing for them to say.

[ATARI]

I like it too and just as With Teeth, I'm gonna wait before I make drastic assumptions. With Teeth didn't sound very NINish but it fits with the album.

Let's also note that With Teeth blew chunks like nobody's business

[Goldfoot]

No, it didn't.

[ATARI]

(a)With(a) Teeth(a)

sorry

[Zim-Zum]

yes this album will talk about anal sex , about sodomizing Bush and Condy.
What the hell u r talking about ! if Maynard said that it will be political it dos'nt mean they will release a Rage against the machine album. Tool have there own way of expression ,we can talk bout politics in a spiritual manner like why does this world become like this today? war, starvation,polution... bercause the human being is losing his humanity: loosing love, becomming materialist........and maybe because of a lack of anal sex.
Political dos'ent mean that we will have an album sounding like CNN.

[BreakX]

Let's also note that With Teeth blew chunks like nobody's business

Why did it 'blow chunks?'

[BreakX]

Yet they assume that is what happened based on quotes. Maynard said he's mad so it's gonna sound like Undertow." No, Undertow has come and gone. He already said what he wanted to there. He said he was wondering if he had anything left to say (Much like Trent) so why would he go back and repeat himself? I'm sure they would just not have made music if there was nothing for them to say.

Right, and Maynard also said that he has 'grown from his art' and therefore won't repeat himself. The question was, "Don't people miss the angry Maynard." "Well, if they do there is Undertow and Opiate. That's why you record. You get it out. How can I heal from my art if I keep repeating myself?"

It won't be Undertow II or Lateralus II, but plain and simply Tool 5.

[dracomordag]

Personally, I vote democrat, but both parties are kind of sucking hard right now. I'm never gonna not vote (that's plain stupidity), but you can't deny that both sides (and sadly, the sides are what exist right now) have massive poles up their asses.

Bush, in my opinion, is one of the worst presidents in recent history, but that doesn't mean he's the only thing wrong with the country right now. There's a lot of ignorance out there, and that includes blindly bashind republicans. I understand that you teach a social class, 2and46, but their reality is just as real to them as yours is to you. Perspective so profoundly shapes opinion and vice versa that to them, their beliefs are the truth, just as yours are to you.

I personally don't like abortion, support stem cell research, dissaprove of big government, but approve of powerful government. I believe in high taxes, yet believe that a man who earns his riches justly should not be unduly deprived of them. I am against death in Iraq, yet recognize the problems there.

The majority of America is not a democrat or a republican, but a centrist. What happens is we must sacrifice some of our values to uphold the others. It's called compromise and it's necessary.

I certainly hope the political climate improves soon (the increased political awarness of late can only help), and we can get out of a divided, bluestate/redstate America and back to the Real America.

[BreakX]

Both parties are in the pockets of the corporations that fund them. There are exceptions, but very few.

[cr0nick]

special guest apperance by zack de la rocha

in other news. my avatar seems to be missing. i don't feel complete

[InertUniformity]

Your all wrong... Bush is the best president this country has had since reagan. Just because your all pussies and are scared of war doesn't mean that GWB is "retarded".

At this point in American History clearly we need a man with religious conviction in office. Our country can only fight Islam with an unyielding dose of Christianity! We need to remain civilized throughout these troubled times. GWB can help us do just that. I think Tool understands this and it is reflected in the spirituality portrayed in their music.

I hope the new album will hail GWB as the marvelous leader he truly is. I also hope that the loving power of Christ is brought to the forefront of their thematic evolution.

[2and46]

I'd never speak for Tool, but my guess is they see GBW as part of the problem, not the solution. I'm not going to get into another democrat/republican argument, both are part of the problem, but the spirituality Tool propagates is not the same spirituality christians believe. Quite the opposite. I'm a little surprised that any Tool fan could equate christian dogma to the transcendant spiritual message Tool holds dear. Flabbergasted would be more like it.

[dark_Speedo]

Your all wrong... Bush is the best president this country has had since reagan. Just because your all pussies and are scared of war doesn't mean that GWB is "retarded".

At this point in American History clearly we need a man with religious conviction in office. Our country can only fight Islam with an unyielding dose of Christianity! We need to remain civilized throughout these troubled times. GWB can help us do just that. I think Tool understands this and it is reflected in the spirituality portrayed in their music.

I hope the new album will hail GWB as the marvelous leader he truly is. I also hope that the loving power of Christ is brought to the forefront of their thematic evolution.
I hope you're kidding.

Really, this is fucking pathetic.

[IcerX]

Your all wrong... Bush is the best president this country has had since reagan. Just because your all pussies and are scared of war doesn't mean that GWB is "retarded".

At this point in American History clearly we need a man with religious conviction in office. Our country can only fight Islam with an unyielding dose of Christianity! We need to remain civilized throughout these troubled times. GWB can help us do just that. I think Tool understands this and it is reflected in the spirituality portrayed in their music.

I hope the new album will hail GWB as the marvelous leader he truly is. I also hope that the loving power of Christ is brought to the forefront of their thematic evolution.

lmao

i dont think tool is 'going political', this isnt greenday, maynard's lyrical content always has multiple interpetations, they're all double edged swords. many Tool songs already could be considered as being 'political'. hes not going to sing 'American Idiot'; have some faith.

[dracomordag]

I love how you all thought IU was serious....


hahahahahahahhahahahha. read his other posts to get his real opinion, if you don't believe me.

[submachine]

"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

The greatest music of the past decade has come from the most politically confused bands, from the most politically confused city: Straight outta LA you have RATM, SOAD, and TOOL.

Ultimately, both music and politics comes down to selfish desires.

Regarding politics, I am against the religious right and their puritanical agenda, but if it is their agenda which also fights the greater threat of Islamic Terrorism, then as the "lesser evil" they are beneficial tools.

Regarding music, if the misunderstanding of global politics and the inability to see the larger picture propels this (anger which causes this) great art, then this confusion may also be considered a beneficial tool.

[dracomordag]

The greatest music of the past decade has come from the most politically confused bands, from the most politically confused city: Straight outta LA you have RATM, SOAD, and TOOL.

Ultimately, both music and politics comes down to selfish desires.

Regarding politics, I am against the religious right and their puritanical agenda, but if it is their agenda which also fights the greater threat of Islamic Terrorism, then as the "lesser evil" they are beneficial tools.

Regarding music, if the misunderstanding of global politics and the inability to see the larger picture propels this (anger which causes this) great art, then this confusion may also be considered a beneficial tool.

wait, are you trying to say that it's selfish for Tool to use the situation around them (their anger at the current administration) as inspiration for art?

[submachine]

wait, are you trying to say

I accept the artists political ignorance in exchange for the great art it produces.

[CCD]

Liberals teach social problems classes. Conservatives work on social solutions.

"Look where all this talking got us baby........"

[dracomordag]

Liberals teach social problems classes. Conservatives work on social solutions.

"Look where all this talking got us baby........"

I'm sure that's so true.

[bonch]

I would lose a lot of respect for Tool if they adopted the position of the extreme, screaming-in-your-face, ultra-left-wing demographic that thinks one is hip and enlightened if they use the word "Nazi" a lot. That doesn't preclude being upset with the administration; it means going all college pop-Democrat like Green Day did to give liberal music critics a boner would go against the idea of remaining free-thinking. Personally, I find that most ultra-liberals have very little to say beyond insults and emotion-based rhetoric, whereas conservatives will at least directly debate you and tell you why you're wrong, citing examples. Tool should strive to have something to say.

[TurdEye13]

George W. Bush = Adolf Hitler

My teacher told me so

[2and46]

Why does tool have to go political? "because we're a product of our environment", so am I, and so are you. Politics dictates everything in our environment. And a conservative republican TOOL fan is akin to confusion and mis-interpretation.

[mike09]

And a conservative republican TOOL fan is akin to confusion and mis-interpretation.

republicans = duh nazis !!!!111one!!!

[SpiralReflection]

I work for Tool.

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Tool fans believe anything they hear

[zenkinet]

I work for Tool.
Wow so do I, lol :p

[paraflux]

Just a reminder to the n00bs, there is no outright flaming in this section. You want to call each other stupid, go to the grudge section. If you want to debate about something, go ahead. No silly flames. And no fucking racial or sexual slurs.

[Goldfoot]

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Tool fans believe anything they hear

You can't just say something like this and then not explain how people are wrong.

[dracomordag]

I work for Tool.


so what's the new album like?

[psims23]

"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me why

Not sure if this has already been posted...but I recall a couple years ago an interview with Maynard in which he expressed that a lot of his lyrics are, indeed, political.

I can't find it but it went something like "My lyrics have always been political of some sort. Politics are always occurring around us, whether they be personal or social.. yadda yadda yadda" That is definitely not word for word but it was close enough, I don't really see a the change.

PS Maynard especially has ALYWAS been pretty politically focused. Anyone here the songs "Know your Enemy "or "Revolution" with a little band called Rage Against the Machine? My two cents

[gerbil]

The same thing happened before With Teeth. Trent mentioned politics before its release and people went apeshit. It's difficult to imagine a "political" NIN album, and we didn't get one. It's more likely from Tool, but I still think it won't be one.

You don't see how "Head Like a Hole" is political?

Or "The Hand That Feeds"? Or even "Right Where It Belongs"?

[Goldfoot]

You don't see how "Head Like a Hole" is political?

Or "The Hand That Feeds"? Or even "Right Where It Belongs"?

One song is not an album.

[Nebel]

FYI, Andy King told me the album is not political, happy now?

[gerbil]

One song is not an album.

I'm just sayin'.

[gerbil]

I think people misunderstand politics.

Politics can really reach beyond two men in suits arguing back and forth over abortion or war and can really reach deep into our lives. Politics can define the environment we live in and the choices that we make. Choosing your religion is a political choice. How that religion influences you is political. The friends you have, the job you have, all of this is political.

Normally in American politics I'm the one saying that both sides are essentially the same and their decisions aren't likely to affect my day-to-day life. But lately I've been noticing larger changes -- more drastic decisions that are increasingly likely to affect me. Which is why I've now become extremely into formal politics.

[2and46]

I work for Tool.

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Tool fans believe anything they hear


I don't give a shit if you work for Tool. Is that supposed to impress me? We can have a political discussion without your permission. And If I seem like I know what I'm talking about, it's because I DO know what I'm talking about. You post a message calling us stupid, and then don't back up what you're saying. The new album may NOT be political in nature, but that doesn't prevent anyone from having a discussion on politics. I don't call names, or call people stupid based on their beliefs. If you're a republican fine...I don't care. I have just commented that DC and MJK don't exactly seem enthralled with Bush, and neither am I.

[2and46]

By the way...MJK and DC HAVE made plenty of political statments, so a discussion on politics is not off base. Dc has a t-shirt with a swastika on the front that says vote republican. What more proof do you need?

[2and46]

Just a reminder to the n00bs, there is no outright flaming in this section. You want to call each other stupid, go to the grudge section. If you want to debate about something, go ahead. No silly flames. And no fucking racial or sexual slurs.


THIS WAS A VERY GOOD POINT!!

[submachine]

Before the last election every pea-brained actor, musician, and film-maker worldwide emerged from their gated communities for a brief moment to shepherd their unquestioning fans into voting for....what was his name again?...John Kerrang?...And when they lost, it was a great big smack of reality, and they scurried back to their gated communites and wept, while America celebrated its victory :)

[2and46]

Before the last election every pea-brained actor, musician, and film-maker worldwide emerged from their gated communities for a brief moment to shepherd their unquestioning fans into voting for....what was his name again?...John Kerrang?...And when they lost, it was a great big smack of reality, and they scurried back to their gated communites and wept, while America celebrated its victory :)

John Kerrang was worthless. I had to be drug kicking and screaming to vote for him. Actually, I agree with you on this. The gated-community bunch telling us what to think is not my idea of free speech. I don't like Bush...but I didn't like Kerry either. While you were celebrating you're victory, MJK and I were weeping. However, the tide is finally turning.

[Goldfoot]

I think people misunderstand politics.

Politics can really reach beyond two men in suits arguing back and forth over abortion or war and can really reach deep into our lives. Politics can define the environment we live in and the choices that we make. Choosing your religion is a political choice. How that religion influences you is political. The friends you have, the job you have, all of this is political.

People misunderstand a lot which has caused the perception of such things to become more important than the definition. Even though the definition may be one thing, you have to take into account how it's seen by society. Liberal is thrown around by the president as if it's a bad thing, but Liberal and liberal are not the same thing. The perception has changed over time. I'm not defending this, I'm just saying.

And by the way, I don't see Right Where It Belongs as political as much as a personal struggle with control over your life and if you really are who you think you are/want to be.

[submachine]

While you were celebrating you're victory, MJK and I were weeping. .

Maybe you were weeping, but MJK was busy with his 3 million dollar vineyard.

[Lateral Undertow]

I work for Tool.

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Tool fans believe anything they hear

Out of curiosity, which topics are you talking about? If you are referring to the content of the album or the personal opinions of the band members then you are probably right, people on here don't know these things. However if you are speaking of the posts regarding politics, world events, etc. then I don't think you can judge whether or not someone knows what they are talking about or not.

[aeonflux]

I don't give a shit if you work for Tool. Is that supposed to impress me? We can have a political discussion without your permission. And If I seem like I know what I'm talking about, it's because I DO know what I'm talking about. You post a message calling us stupid, and then don't back up what you're saying. The new album may NOT be political in nature, but that doesn't prevent anyone from having a discussion on politics. I don't call names, or call people stupid based on their beliefs. If you're a republican fine...I don't care. I have just commented that DC and MJK don't exactly seem enthralled with Bush, and neither am I.
hmmm, its supposed to impress us though that you think like DC/MJK.
interesting....

too bad the whiny left couldnt come up with a candidate worth voting for. think about that next election, okay? if you want republicans out of office, you got to give the people someone worth voting for. the left hasnt done that in the last two elections (Al I want a recount for the ninth time even if its blatantly unconstitutional Gore; John I jammed my toe so i could get a purple heart and then i pissed on the sacrifices others made during that war for my own political gain Kerry).

instead of sitting around whining and complaining about Bush or republicans, maybe you all should be coming up with a game plan of how to make the world better?

[2and46]

Maybe you were weeping, but MJK was busy with his 3 million dollar vineyard.

point well-taken...and hilarious.

[2and46]

hmmm, its supposed to impress us though that you think like DC/MJK.
interesting....

too bad the whiny left couldnt come up with a candidate worth voting for. think about that next election, okay? if you want republicans out of office, you got to give the people someone worth voting for. the left hasnt done that in the last two elections (Al I want a recount for the ninth time even if its blatantly unconstitutional Gore; John I jammed my toe so i could get a purple heart and then i pissed on the sacrifices others made during that war for my own political gain Kerry).

instead of sitting around whining and complaining about Bush or republicans, maybe you all should be coming up with a game plan of how to make the world better?

You may find this hard to believe, but I can't stand John Kerry. You are right, if you want change, then you have to give the public a reason to vote for you...not simply being against something. There have been plenty of game-plans, and if I had the time and space I'd give you mine, but game-plans from the left are snuffed out because they don't have any power. Furthermore, Bush is so insulated, it wouldn't matter anyway. I don't think there is anything wrong with "whining". Righty's "whined" all the time about Clinton and his BJ. People in this free country should be allowed to say whatever they want.

By the way, the right-wing questioning Kerry's military service is just plain hilarious. I don't know if his purple hearts were legitimate or not, but most of these people complaining about it never served. Bush's military background isn't exactly stellar.

[IcerX]

the two parties that dominate the USA's politics stunt free thought equally, watching liberals/conservatives argue about who is worse is amusing.

[dracomordag]

I can't wait for some real fucking politics to return again

none of this bipartisan shit

[SpiralReflection]

Guys, sorry, I was hoping someone here posted at Fark.com . My post was a Fark cliche, I hoped someone would get the joke. I'm a regular ass teenage, unfortunatley I don't work for Tool.

[reservoirdog]

Guys, sorry, I was hoping someone here posted at Fark.com . My post was a Fark cliche, I hoped someone would get the joke. I'm a regular ass teenage, unfortunatley I don't work for Tool.

I was just about to say something. fellow farker here. I was really getting a kick out of most of the replies though. Guess i am a little late to the party.

[smithers]

Before the last election every pea-brained actor, musician, and film-maker worldwide emerged from their gated communities for a brief moment to shepherd their unquestioning fans into voting for....what was his name again?...John Kerrang?...And when they lost, it was a great big smack of reality, and they scurried back to their gated communites and wept, while America celebrated its victory :)

It would appear that this hot topic has ruffled some delicate feathers.

some of the replies have been quite clever while others have been of the "bill o'reilly" flavor. In full disclousure, I'm left (call it progressive if you find it less threatening), gay, mexican-american, oh yeah I was also raised catholic.

I'm not much of a flag waver be it rainbow colored, red white and green or.....drum roll.....red white and blue.

I work hard to earn a halfway decent living, go to school part-time, and certainly couldnt afford to reside in a gated community like my middle class brethren (see above). This topic is reminiscent of the kind o'crap that took place shortly before the release of With Teeth....lots and lots of kids were muttering all sorts of warnings to the artiste that he best not air any ideas they find threatening.

and now sadly MJK and boys are being shown similar respect.

The only happiness I take from this is that once the album is released, and once I make my way (joint in hand) through the half interested indie kids on the way to the main stage at Coachella....none of this stupid bullshit will matter.

Interesting that Tools return takes place in a blue state.

ooooh...it burns!

[Ticks and Leeches]

We know that TOOL will be releasing their fourth VERY soon.

[TurdEye13]

I am almost sure of it that Tool is not going to go all out with this "political" material. Maybe one or two songs that vaguely describe feeings about our state as a human race under the control of lying hypocritical pigs.

[2and46]

It would appear that this hot topic has ruffled some delicate feathers.

some of the replies have been quite clever while others have been of the "bill o'reilly" flavor. In full disclousure, I'm left (call it progressive if you find it less threatening), gay, mexican-american, oh yeah I was also raised catholic.

I'm not much of a flag waver be it rainbow colored, red white and green or.....drum roll.....red white and blue.

I work hard to earn a halfway decent living, go to school part-time, and certainly couldnt afford to reside in a gated community like my middle class brethren (see above). This topic is reminiscent of the kind o'crap that took place shortly before the release of With Teeth....lots and lots of kids were muttering all sorts of warnings to the artiste that he best not air any ideas they find threatening.

and now sadly MJK and boys are being shown similar respect.

The only happiness I take from this is that once the album is released, and once I make my way (joint in hand) through the half interested indie kids on the way to the main stage at Coachella....none of this stupid bullshit will matter.

Interesting that Tools return takes place in a blue state.

ooooh...it burns!

One of the best posts I've seen lately. Where is all of this "Love Bush or die" coming from? I would of expected different from this "enlightened" crowd. MJK has my full permission to piss off as many of these limbaugh followers as possible. Good luck to you, and maybe I'll see you at Coachella.

[Noob_Jones]

One of the best posts I've seen lately. Where is all of this "Love Bush or die" coming from? I would of expected different from this "enlightened" crowd. MJK has my full permission to piss off as many of these limbaugh followers as possible. Good luck to you, and maybe I'll see you at Coachella.

LoL. Please hand in your "enlightened" pass it seems to have expired.

It seems your viewpoint is very much the same as the ones you preach (yup thats the word I wanna use, preach) against. You put forth your criticism of Bush supporters in as violent a way as the "Bush or die" crowd and you generalize to the point of stereotype that Bush supporters listen to Limbaugh. This is identical to Bush supporters at their worst, how is this enlightened?

You assume the title of enlightenment can be determined by something as trivial as what band people listen to. Why? But more importantly you assume if someone is enlightened they will share the same viewpoint as you. Why?

PS
I doubt Maynards goal is ever to piss anyone off. Also shouldn't it be weird for a liberal to want to piss anyone off? ...

[2and46]

LoL. Please hand in your "enlightened" pass it seems to have expired.

It seems your viewpoint is very much the same as the ones you preach (yup thats the word I wanna use, preach) against. You put forth your criticism of Bush supporters in as violent a way as the "Bush or die" crowd and you generalize to the point of stereotype that Bush supporters listen to Limbaugh. This is identical to Bush supporters at their worst, how is this enlightened?

You assume the title of enlightenment can be determined by something as trivial as what band people listen to. Why? But more importantly you assume if someone is enlightened they will share the same viewpoint as you. Why?

PS
I doubt Maynards goal is ever to piss anyone off. Also shouldn't it be weird for a liberal to want to piss anyone off? ...

I'm glad you are so "enlightened" as to know what MJK's goals are. I guess I have MJK's thoughts all wrong. People CAN assume when DC wears a t-shirt with a swastika on the front that says Vote Republican, that maybe that says something about their politics. What I'm sensing is alot of projection. Enlighten means to inform. And in this case to inform others of the underlying messages about this war. If you want to suck the enema bag of Fox news, be my guest. And don't pretend that somehow you've come to you're "enlightened" position on the war because of some epiphany of spiritual "enlightenment". You will say, I haven't commented on the war, but you wouldn't be so pissed if you thought my ideas were dead-on. I don't nit-pick every post from somebody unless it is addressed to me, so why are you so angry about my thoughts? You think I'm pretentious because of my ideas? I welcome any form of "enlightenment".

[Noob_Jones]

I'm glad you are so "enlightened" as to know what MJK's goals are.

I said I doubt, never once did I claim to know MJK's intentions.

People CAN assume when DC wears a t-shirt with a swastika on the front that says Vote Republican, that maybe that says something about their politics.

I never questioned any of the members of Tool political viewpoints...

What I'm sensing is alot of projection. Enlighten means to inform. And in this case to inform others of the underlying messages about this war.

Just for the record the Democrats skew the viewpoint of the war just like the Republicans do. In this particular war the Democrats like to ignore anything good that has happened while the Republicans simply ignore anything negative ... so predictable.

If you want to suck the enema bag of Fox news, be my guest.

You are doing it again, you keep stereotyping, I don't watch FOX news ... or at least not more-so than MSNBC and CNN.

And don't pretend that somehow you've come to you're "enlightened" position on the war because of some epiphany of spiritual "enlightenment".

When did I ever say I was "enlightened" ... oh never. I said that you were not, or at the very least that post you had made was not.

Hey 2and46 this may be hard for you to understand because it does not fit your simple stereotypes but I am conservative and have never spent one Sunday in a church in my life! I would never be so stupid as to use anything spiritual as guidance for something as real and critical as war.

You will say, I haven't commented on the war, but you wouldn't be so pissed if you thought my ideas were dead-on.

I would call out anyone who was exactly what they preached against.

I don't nit-pick every post from somebody unless it is addressed to me, so why are you so angry about my thoughts? You think I'm pretentious because of my ideas? I welcome any form of "enlightenment".

I am not angry about your thoughts. In my view you were exactly what you were bitching about so I wanted to point it out. You were bitching about how bad the "Bush or die" crowd is but you were doing the same thing. You can not have a problem with what I said without having a problem with yourself for doing the same thing.

Also if you would be so kind can you please reply to my two questions?

You assume the title of enlightenment can be determined by something as trivial as what band people listen to. Why? But more importantly you assume if someone is enlightened they will share the same viewpoint as you. Why?

Anyway to stay ontopic:
The problem with being political is that if it is too specific it dates the album and may take away from its ability to be timeless. Hopefully any political views the band puts forth are abstract enough that the wording still applies to current events 50 years from now.

[2and46]

I said I doubt, never once did I claim to know MJK's intentions.



I never questioned any of the members of Tool political viewpoints...



Just for the record the Democrats skew the viewpoint of the war just like the Republicans do. In this particular war the Democrats like to ignore anything good that has happened while the Republicans simply ignore anything negative ... so predictable.



You are doing it again, you keep stereotyping, I don't watch FOX news ... or at least not more-so than MSNBC and CNN.



When did I ever say I was "enlightened" ... oh never. I said that you were not, or at the very least that post you had made was not.

Hey 2and46 this may be hard for you to understand because it does not fit your simple stereotypes but I am conservative and have never spent one Sunday in a church in my life! I would never be so stupid as to use anything spiritual as guidance for something as real and critical as war.



I would call out anyone who was exactly what they preached against.



I am not angry about your thoughts. In my view you were exactly what you were bitching about so I wanted to point it out. You were bitching about how bad the "Bush or die" crowd is but you were doing the same thing. You can not have a problem with what I said without having a problem with yourself for doing the same thing.

Also if you would be so kind can you please reply to my two questions?



Anyway to stay ontopic:
The problem with being political is that if it is too specific it dates the album and may take away from its ability to be timeless. Hopefully any political views the band puts forth are abstract enough that the wording still applies to current events 50 years from now.

I doubt MJK or anyone in the band will preach any specifics, such as "bush sucks", more likely the institution of politics/government as a whole.

The fact another side of the war is spoken (by democrats) or "skewed" is a political exercize, but necessary and in fact needed. My thoughts being bludgeoned (not by you) is a very real function of a facist society. In other words, those who disagree with their government are seen as worse than dissenters. Anyone can be enlightened, but being enlightened to lies is not the same as being enlightened to the truth. The truth is, the Iraq war has backfired. They do not want us their. terrorism enlistment is on the rise, and hatred for the US is in kind. However you want to justify it...it is failing. Unless civil war, more terrorists and violence are your definition of success. I am at a loss to youre 2 questions. what were they?

[InertUniformity]

You guys remember the "Turn off your television" thing?

Telling me to turn off my television is about as overtly political as I want Tool to get (im sure many here share that opinion)

This is my take on the whole "tool goes political thing":

I feel as if Tool (mjk in particular) are far too pretentious to simply say: "fuck bush..." and leave it at that.

I would be shocked if mjks lyrics were any more tangible (let alone political) on this album than any other.

I've been saying this for a while - and ive actually been pretty excited until recently (for no apparent reason): The album will be a SOCIAL COMMENTARY as opposed to an album with blatent political overtones...

of course i might be wrong but this is just me speculating.

In other words i expect people like you and me to be the audience for this record as opposed to politicians and such.

my greatest fear is NOT another Emotive - at this point its another With Teeth




EDIT:
Let it be known that I enjoyed With Teeth - I just thought it was dissapointing because it sounded like the manifestation of Trents midlife crisis

[Goldfoot]

I don't fear anything about this album. I love With Teeth, but I know a lot of people didn't. Having said that, it seems everyone who has heard the album and commented on it loves it. I'm sure I will like it. For now I'm just looking forward to Spring Break.

Edit: Well, I agree with the midlife crisis thing. It is a repetitive album, and I don't listen to it as much as the others, but I do like it a lot. It seems he is keeping with his claim that he will be making another record soon though. He's recording in hotel rooms again. That makes me giddy like a school girl.

[Goldfoot]

It's weird to see someone here praise With Teeth like that. It is refreshing though.

[Goldfoot]

I don't go in there.

[ArizonaBay]

With Teeth has absolutely no bearing on the next Tool album.

[ruby]

wow, 4 pages and nothing remotely interesting being mentioned. kudos

[knot0fvipers]

I don't care if its political, I'm sure it would be subtle if it is. As long as its not something mindless and stupid like the last Ministry album.

[G-Dub4lyfe]

By the way...MJK and DC HAVE made plenty of political statments, so a discussion on politics is not off base. Dc has a t-shirt with a swastika on the front that says vote republican. What more proof do you need?

I invoke Godwin's Law on Danny Carey.

[eddie75]

Wouldn't it have to be in the internet to do that???

By the way Maynard has the same shirt.

I also can't blame them for going political with how fucked this countries politics are right now. It's pretty hard not to be pissed about it, and if you have a stage to voice your opinion why not?

[InertUniformity]

With Teeth has absolutely no bearing on the next Tool album.




I just meant to say that the members of Tool are older now - much like Trent, so some of the themes may be similar (not necessarily a bad thing).

I dont think With Teeth will have any technical correlation to the new tool record.

[submachine]

I also can't blame them for going political with how fucked this countries politics are right now. It's pretty hard not to be pissed about it

you sound just like Madonna, or Oprah.

I would expect a little deeper understanding and a little less narrow-minded perspective from TooL.

[paraflux]

You dont get pissed when people just "expect" things from you?

[eddie75]

I'll ignore that obvious attempt at an insult, since I have no clue where madonna nor oprah stand on political issues, nor do I care. If you find yourself leaning towards our entertainers, such as tool, for your political guidance you might want to think twice.

If you want to discuss where you find the view of the political mess this nation finds itself in as narrow minded, then please feel free.

[dracomordag]

I'll ignore that obvious attempt at an insult, since I have no clue where madonna nor oprah stand on political issues, nor do I care. If you find yourself leaning towards our entertainers, such as tool, for your political guidance you might want to think twice.

If you want to discuss where you find the view of the political mess this nation finds itself in as narrow minded, then please feel free.


he's been going on like this for a while


be glad that he only called your opinions "narrow-minded" and not anything worse, like he has been doing.

[eddie75]

he's been going on like this for a while


be glad that he only called your opinions "narrow-minded" and not anything worse, like he has been doing.
I haven't read any of his other posts, but it sounds like he's pretty narrow minded since he doesn't even know what I mean when I say that the current politics are in a mess.

[U4ia]

I don't hear them singing about politics or about how much they hate Reagan in their earlier albums. I don't expect to hear anything about politics in this album either. It's going to be very deep and spiritual, like Lateralus.

[spooky]

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me whyMaynard is like Bono but without the philanthropy.

[paraflux]

You mean Danny?

[spooky]

I suppose I do, thanks buddy.

[paraflux]

No problem

[Goldfoot]

I don't hear them singing about politics or about how much they hate Reagan in their earlier albums. I don't expect to hear anything about politics in this album either. It's going to be very deep and spiritual, like Lateralus.

The political influences are there, but if you didn't notice, they you probably won't on this album either. Everyone needs to just releax and listen to some other music. Tool is not the only good band out there. The amount of people focusing too much on this release and the second-hand speculation is mind boggling.

[Sol Invictus]

Ok if you read the interview properly you will notice they only said that the political side was just one reason they were more aggressive on this album they never said the whole album would be all political emotive. You people look into things too much. They are a product of their environment and the political side is just one side of their angst, besides i have always thought tool had an underlying political expression in every album.

[Goldfoot]

besides i have always thought tool had an underlying political expression in every album.

To support this, note that Maynard totally said Lateralus was about a global consciousness. To me that is political necause it involves the entire globe working together.

[spooky]

Those transcendentalists sure are power hungry assholes.

[dracomordag]

You mean Danny?

why does he mean Danny?

[2and46]

Their music has always included political references, although in a somewhat more esoteric way. DC stated that they are angry again like when they were after Reagan, but don't expect any "hate Bush" comments. Maybe the whole concept of the stifling of free-thought, facism and the increase of institutionalized religion squelching individual spirituality. The hopefulness at the turn of the century is being buried by facist religious groups.

Or the album could be about belly-button lint...who knows.

[smithers]

Their music has always included political references, although in a somewhat more esoteric way. DC stated that they are angry again like when they were after Reagan, but don't expect any "hate Bush" comments. Maybe the whole concept of the stifling of free-thought, facism and the increase of institutionalized religion squelching individual spirituality. The hopefulness at the turn of the century is being buried by facist religious groups.

Or the album could be about belly-button lint...who knows.


2 votes for an album about belly button lint. that should stave off the "we're the best'est people in the whole universe-republican-christianistas" dont you think?

or maybe some thinned skinned conservative will find error.

sample post (with the sounds of a baby crying in the background):

"why does MJK have to sing about belly button lint?......I mean really....why now......why dont they sing about things that matter to us all"

[fripptronic]

2and46, you have 69 posts. enjoy it while it lasts.

i have no opinion on this subject.

[TurdEye13]

Oxnard? Fripptronic? AHHAHA! I live in Ventura

[guerilla ice tea]

ok well i'm just thinking APC turned shit when they went political with eMOTIVe

[waffel]

emotive bombed? no shit?

Apparently Maynard wasn't happy with it either, so he's going to try it with Tool. It will either work, or he'll be known as a dumbass for wasting 5 years of tool's time on emotive v2.0

[STA]

emotive bombed? no shit?

Apparently Maynard wasn't happy with it either, so he's going to try it with Tool. It will either work, or he'll be known as a dumbass for wasting 5 years of tool's time on emotive v2.0

I can't believe that eMotive wasn't a success. It's such a brilliant album.

[Ticks and Leeches]

Apparently Maynard wasn't happy with it either, so he's going to try it with Tool. It will either work, or he'll be known as a dumbass for wasting 5 years of tool's time on emotive v2.0

Don't you think you're being a bit skeptical?

[submachine]

You dont get pissed when people just "expect" things from you?

I would get pissed if they didnt; its not an acheivement to please someone with low-standards.

TooL has set the bar higher in every way, I would suggest they don't invite Danny to the interviews anymore and just leave him with his drums...

[submachine]

he doesn't even know what I mean when I say that the current politics are in a mess.

I know what you mean, its just that what you say, and the way you express it indiciates a lower level of thought capacity.

"the current politics" ?

lol

[2and46]

2and46, you have 69 posts. enjoy it while it lasts.

i have no opinion on this subject.

Your absence of opinion is greatly appreciated.

[ladder_alice_11]

Or instead of complaining about every little detail, (people are now pissing and moaning about the price for the cd listed on amazon) you should do some research.

Instead of a shotty and insulting remark, try asking questions as to why someone posted the way they did or whatever. The guy who listed song titles such as "lost keys(blame hoffman)," was immediately belittled. For what reason?

Maybe you guys should ask yourself:

Who is Hoffman? Maybe then will you see through these "joke" or "fake" song titles.

[blair's man sausage]

Their music has always included political references, although in a somewhat more esoteric way. DC stated that they are angry again like when they were after Reagan, but don't expect any "hate Bush" comments. Maybe the whole concept of the stifling of free-thought, facism and the increase of institutionalized religion squelching individual spirituality. The hopefulness at the turn of the century is being buried by facist religious groups.

Or the album could be about belly-button lint...who knows.

i vaguely remember an interview with adam discussing motivation for the sound, art, etc...he was talking about how they are never blatent with their intentions, motivations i.e RATM, but like to leave their mark by making you decide how you feel and what you are going to do about it...

that being said they can say whatever they want in interviews but i think the music is still widely left open to interpretation

[eddie75]

I know what you mean, its just that what you say, and the way you express it indiciates a lower level of thought capacity.

"the current politics" ?




lol
Really? Well smart guy, since you know what I'm talking about, maybe you could explain it back to me.

Otherwise you're using your "higher level thought capacity" to come up with ignorant assumptions that make you look like a fool.

And it's spelled indicates, not "indiciates" oh intelligent one

[TurdEye13]

Maynard said that Tool wasn't going to "climb on a political soapbox"

[eddie75]

Tool really has always had some political undertones to their music. I doubt they're going to come out with blatantly political lyrics. More than likely you'll really have to think on what they're saying to associate it with anything that happens to be going on politically right now.

[pork chops]

i think that the important thing with Tool is that the music speaks to you in some way. the band constantly states that there songs are open to various meanings and the important thing is that the listener form their own meaning of the song. any great artist, be it painter, sculpter, musician creates the art for the purpose of open interperitation(probably didn't spell that right but oh well). this is the case with Tool. while there music may be influenced by the happenings in the world today, i think they deserve a little credit and faith from us, as their fans, that this isn't going to be a green day record.

[eddie75]

Exactly

[Sol Invictus]

dude this is not going to be a straight out political album, the angst that drives the album's SOUND!! altoghether has one part to do with politics. Maynard also said he was saddened by the state of people so do you also think he is going to cry on the new album because people didnt understand lateralus. No he is going to move on as an artist and the album will not pe a political album i believe somewhere in an interview once tool said they left the political albums to rage against the machine, and besides i have always though tool had underlying political themes in their albums i just think most of you liike wafel are too blind to see or understand them as a band.

[aeonflux]

yeah, cant you all see the emporers clothes??? only smart people see the emporers clothes. i see them. plain as day.

btw, 'angst' is only valid when its 'teenage'. any other angst is equated with the frustration of a spoiled rotten whiny baby that doesnt get its way.

[paraflux]

Uh, I equate teen angst in that same category.

[G-Dub4lyfe]

Maynard said that Tool wasn't going to "climb on a political soapbox"

thank you jesus

[Hannibal]

If Tool are going political, they better go conservative. I mean seriously....

[InertUniformity]

If Tool are going political, they better go conservative. I mean seriously....


haha seriously - if theyre gonna be overtly political id appreciate it if they surprise me and write an album all about the evils of abortion or something.

thatd be great.

[forty6&two]

Maynard said that Tool wasn't going to "climb on a political soapbox"

Thank you maynard

[eddie75]

If Tool are going political, they better go conservative. I mean seriously....
Seeing that both Danny and Maynard happen to hate republicans, I doubt that.

[Kedzie_Matthews]

Seeing that both Danny and Maynard happen to hate republicans, I doubt that.
who doesn't hate republicans now a days?

[eddie75]

Republicans
I hate both democrats and republicans equally.

[Noob_Jones]

I hate democrats more because at least everyone knows where the republicans stand. The democrats say one thing and then do another ... they are keeping REAL liberals out of office.

[eddie75]

Well if by "real liberals" you mean the extreme liberals, then that's a good thing

[Hannibal]

I like Tool

[Noob_Jones]

Well if by "real liberals" you mean the extreme liberals, then that's a good thing

I was talking about liberals as people who could not be bought and sold.

[dracomordag]

I think both parties need to get a fucking life

[submachine]

who doesn't hate republicans now a days?

Who DOES hate republicans nowadays?

Madonna.
Sadaam Hussein.
Angry hairy college hippies.
Rosie Odonnel.
Osama Bin Laden.

It has yet to be decided if TooL is added to that distinguished list of losers.

[eddie75]

Who DOES hate republicans nowadays?

Madonna.
Sadaam Hussein.
Angry hairy college hippies.
Rosie Odonnel.
Osama Bin Laden.

It has yet to be decided if TooL is added to that distinguished list of losers.
Seeing that they where shirts equating republicans with Nazis, I'd say they are also hate republicans.
So you might just want to go away.

[eddie75]

I was talking about liberals as people who could not be bought and sold.
Everyone can be bought and sold.

[Noob_Jones]

Everyone can be bought and sold.

No, but if that is what you need to believe in order to have support for the Democrats then you lie to yourself as bad as the Republicans who think Bush is doing a great job.

[Hannibal]

Osama doesn't hate Republicans...they are the reason he's still on the loose...

[Noob_Jones]

Osama doesn't hate Republicans...they are the reason he's still on the loose...

Thank you for being an idiot this thread was getting too intellectual for my tastes.

I think Osama hates all Americans equally because he is crazy like that.

[eddie75]

No, but if that is what you need to believe in order to have support for the Democrats then you lie to yourself as bad as the Republicans who think Bush is doing a great job.
I don't have support for the democrats. They're a bunch of idiots. Just like the republicans are bunch of greedy crooks.

[Noob_Jones]

I don't have support for the democrats. They're a bunch of idiots. Just like the republicans are bunch of greedy crooks.

Then you should not think it is impossible to get people into office who can not be bought and sold. Some people have morals stronger than their greed.

[eddie75]

Only up to a certain dollar amount. I wouldn't classify democrats as moral either. They are willing to do just as many immoral things to get their way as republicans.
The extreme of either side is fucked.

[Hannibal]

Osama has nothing to do with the United States. I thought Saddam attacked the Towers, isn't that why we went after him?

[Noob_Jones]

Only up to a certain dollar amount. I wouldn't classify democrats as moral either. They are willing to do just as many immoral things to get their way as republicans.
The extreme of either side is fucked.


I am not sure about the only up to a certain dollar amount. I could be offered all the money in the world to vote against what I think is right and I would not do it. Not because I am a very moral person but because I by nature am a minimalist. I don't want much so no matter how much you offer me it will not change the fact that I really don't want it that bad. Once I have a basic standard of living I just don't want more and I know I can't be the only one.

[eddie75]

Osama has nothing to do with the United States. I thought Saddam attacked the Towers, isn't that why we went after him?
He went after the tower to try and cripple our economy, which is actually a great strategy.

[eddie75]

I am not sure about the only up to a certain dollar amount. I could be offered all the money in the world to vote against what I think is right and I would not do it. Not because I am a very moral person but because I by nature am a minimalist. I don't want much so no matter how much you offer me it will not change the fact that I really don't want it that bad. Once I have a basic standard of living I just don't want more and I know I can't be the only one.
I don't think this something you can really say until someone offers you the kind of money used to change minds. It's easy to be idealistic when the money isn't actually on the table.

[Noob_Jones]

Osama has nothing to do with the United States. I thought Saddam attacked the Towers, isn't that why we went after him?

We went after Saddam officially because he would not let weapon inspectors into his country to verify his claims that he had no WMD's. But really IMO we went in as a first step in reshaping the governments of all mid-eastern countries.

[eddie75]

We went after Saddam officially because he would not let weapon inspectors into his country to verify his claims that he had no WMD's. But really IMO we went in as a first step in reshaping the governments of all mid-eastern countries.
Maybe i should have actually read all h way through his psot. I assumed he was talking osama. See what I get for assuming?

[Noob_Jones]

I don't think this something you can really say until someone offers you the kind of money used to change minds. It's easy to be idealistic when the money isn't actually on the table.


I know who I am. I spend alot of time reflecting on myself and the reason I am this way is not because I am idealistic but it is just who I am. Maybe it was environment growing up or maybe it is innate but it IS me. All people are not the same so it is bad logic to assume they all will react the same in a given situation.

[Hannibal]

and what did that have to do with the towers?

[eddie75]

I agree not everyone is the same, but has anyone ever offered you 100 million dollars?

[Hannibal]

twice last week actually

[dracomordag]

and what did that have to do with the towers?

look, this is the way it is as far as we know:

Osama attacked the twin towers

Saddam could've had WMDs, and was a dick of a leader.


two entirely seperate missions, other than they both could prevent terrorism and are both in the middle east.

[Noob_Jones]

I agree not everyone is the same, but has anyone ever offered you 100 million dollars?

No one has ever been offered 100 million dollars. The sad thing is the amount is often only in the thousands.

However like I said I know who I am. Obviously no one has ever offered me that much money but I find it hard to lie to myself if I thought I would take the money I would just say I would take the money. I am not trying to gain respect by saying I would not take the money it is just who I am. I know I am not alone, I am sure it is possible to fill the offices with people who can not be bought and sold.

[Hannibal]

do you study government a lot?

[eddie75]

No one has ever been offered 100 million dollars. The sad thing is the amount is often only in the thousands.

However like I said I know who I am. Obviously no one has ever offered me that much money but I find it hard to lie to myself if I thought I would take the money I would just say I would take the money. I am not trying to gain respect by saying I would not take the money it is just who I am. I know I am not alone, I am sure it is possible to fill the offices with people who can not be bought and sold.
You don't think that hundred's of millions exchange hands in high level political deals??? You really are idealistic.
The truth is that kind of money is involved at the higher level of politics.

You can't say what you would or wouldn't do until that level of money is put in front of you.

[dracomordag]

You don't think that hundred's of millions exchange hands in high level political deals??? You really are idealistic.
The truth is that kind of money is involved at the higher level of politics.

You can't say what you would or wouldn't do until that level of money is put in front of you.

I think he was trying to say that some of the time, people will do it for mere thousands.

[eddie75]

I think he was trying to say that some of the time, people will do it for mere thousands.
You may be correct, and if so i applogize

[Noob_Jones]

You don't think that hundred's of millions exchange hands in high level political deals??? You really are idealistic.
The truth is that kind of money is involved at the higher level of politics.

Show me some proof of this. Lobbying is not against the law and records show it is normally in the sum of thousands not millions.


You can't say what you would or wouldn't do until that level of money is put in front of you.

I can't say that? You assume that having the money in front of me would HAVE TO change something ... but that is just assuming. I know how I would react if you want to believe that or not. It is pointless to debate this any longer because it has become a ping-pong match of "yes I would" - "no you wouldn't".

[Hannibal]

yes you would, now wouldn't i?

[eddie75]

Show me some proof of this. Lobbying is not against the law and records show it is normally in the sum of thousands not millions.
It isn't straight cash. Have you ever heard of haliburton? Most of the time they are business deals that equal from millions to billions.




I can't say that? You assume that having the money in front of me would HAVE TO change something ... but that is just assuming. I know how I would react if you want to believe that or not. It is pointless to debate this any longer because it has become a ping-pong match of "yes I would" - "no you wouldn't".No one knows how they'd react if a life altering amount of money was put in front of them.

[Noob_Jones]

It isn't straight cash. Have you ever heard of haliburton? Most of the time they are business deals that equal from millions to billions.

I have been talking about lobbying not shady business deals because they are not as clear cut.

No one knows how they'd react if a life altering amount of money was put in front of them.

You assume this, it is not an indisputable fact.

[smithers]

I hate democrats more because at least everyone knows where the republicans stand. The democrats say one thing and then do another ... they are keeping REAL liberals out of office.


You hate democrats?

really....

hate? actual hate?

wow.

I wanted to suggest that you return to the godsmack message boards but that seems like such a mean thing to say to a fellow Tool fan. I mean we may quibble over semantics but godsmack really blows.

anyhow.

lots of folks say one thing and do another.

I once heard of a political party that wanted less government, and wanted government out of peoples lives.....which sounded great to me, until I realized that what they really wanted was to put god in my life, and then they proceeded to spend all my hard earned tax money on the military industrial complex, then they started a big stink over indecency, and wouldnt let poor Howard say dirty jokes, and I even hear tale that they plan to end female reproduction freedom in some states.

see saying one thing and doing another is really easy!

[Noob_Jones]

I don't HATE hate democrats, I would never go up to one and punch them or anything like that. Language is limiting I guess you could say I dislike the way current politicians act under the banner of being democrats.

[Hannibal]

You hate democrats?

really....

hate? actual hate?

wow.

I wanted to suggest that you return to the godsmack message boards but that seems like such a mean thing to say to a fellow Tool fan. I mean we may quibble over semantics but godsmack really blows.

anyhow.

lots of folks say one thing and do another.

I once heard of a political party that wanted less government, and wanted government out of peoples lives.....which sounded great to me, until I realized that what they really wanted was to put god in my life, and then they proceeded to spend all my hard earned tax money on the military industrial complex, then they started a big stink over indecency, and wouldnt let poor Howard say dirty jokes, and I even hear tale that they plan to end female reproduction freedom in some states.

see saying one thing and doing another is really easy!


well said.

[submachine]

Seeing that they where shirts equating republicans with Nazis.

I haven't seen them "where" (lol) anything. It has yet to be decided if TooL is added to that distinguished list of losers.

[ArizonaBay]

We went after Saddam officially because he would not let weapon inspectors into his country to verify his claims that he had no WMD's. But really IMO we went in as a first step in reshaping the governments of all mid-eastern countries.

The original hostility before WMDs were mentioned was that Iraq was smuggling oil to Russia and surrounding ME countries illegally against UN sanctions. When the US responded by detaining ships ect. Iraq responded with a series of oil embargos to try and have sanctions lifted which had some success as the UN relaxed the sanctions to a degree. This was then burried under unsubstantiated claims about WMDs (by the way saddam did in the end give inspectors full access and they found NOTHING so this was not even the official reason for the invasion) and then a purely transparent moral argument for the US invasion of Iraq.

[Goldfoot]

This is definitely not about Tool at all anymore.

[eddie75]

I haven't seen them "where" (lol) anything. It has yet to be decided if TooL is added to that distinguished list of losers.
Ah I guess you never make grammatical mistakes, oh wait we've already seen that you do.

Here's a picture of Danny wearing the shirt, it doesn't show it as well as the picture of Maynard wearing it. It says Vote Republican with a swastika in between the two words.

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html

[pork chops]

please tell me what a t-shirt has to do with the new album coming out

[eddie75]

Did you not read the title of this thread and what was posted in the first post? This is a thread about the possible politics of the album, and band members wearing shirts comparing republicans to Nazis gives you an idea which way they won't be leaning on the political spectrum.

[pork chops]

true, forgive my ignorance

[eddie75]

Not a problem man

[submachine]

Here's a picture of Danny wearing the shirt

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html

Umm, you just posted the news index.....

[dracomordag]

You hate democrats?

really....

hate? actual hate?

wow.

I wanted to suggest that you return to the godsmack message boards but that seems like such a mean thing to say to a fellow Tool fan. I mean we may quibble over semantics but godsmack really blows.

anyhow.

lots of folks say one thing and do another.

I once heard of a political party that wanted less government, and wanted government out of peoples lives.....which sounded great to me, until I realized that what they really wanted was to put god in my life, and then they proceeded to spend all my hard earned tax money on the military industrial complex, then they started a big stink over indecency, and wouldnt let poor Howard say dirty jokes, and I even hear tale that they plan to end female reproduction freedom in some states.

see saying one thing and doing another is really easy!

this man

has half an idea as to what's up

[Hubbard]

"We have the most retarted president weve ever had, and were frustrated and thats the reason its a little heavier this time" reveals drummer Danny Carey. "that level of frustration back like when we first got hte band together: we were products of that fucking Reagan thing, we were pissed off and bummed-out, we had that angst, and now its coming forth again: like it or not were products of our environment. Were pissed off again"

I have loved tool for being unpolitical and more spiritual

Why do they have to go down the System of a Down route.

Please tell me why

Reagan's awful presidency inspired them in the first place, as Carey said. If you didn't like their poltical motivation, you wouldn't have liked them from the beginning.

[submachine]

Reagan's awful presidency.

lol, grow up. Reagan single-handedly won the cold war and defeated the communist Soviet Union, the greatest victory in American history against the most powerful enemy.

RUDOLPH GULIANI: "Before September 11, we were living with an unrealistic view of our world, much like observing Europe appease Hitler or trying to accommodate the Soviet Union through the use of mutually assured destruction. President Bush decided that we could no longer just be on defense against global terrorism we must also be on offense. On September 20 -- on September 20, 2001, President Bush stood before a joint session of congress, a still grieving and shocked nation, and a confused world, and he changed the direction of our ship of state. He dedicated America under his leadership to destroying global terrorism. The president -- the president announced the Bush doctrine when he said, "a war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it doesn't end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." Since September 11, President Bush has remained rock solid. It doesn't matter to him how he's demonized. It doesn't matter to him what the media does to ridicule him or misinterpret him, or defeat him. They ridiculed Winston Churchill. They belittled Ronald Reagan, but like President Bush, they were optimists. Leaders need to be optimists. Their vision is beyond the present, and it's set on a future of real peace and security. Some call it stubbornness. I call it principled leadership. President Bush has the courage of his convictions. In choosing a president, we really don't choose just a republican or democrat. A conservative or a liberal. We choose a leader. And in times of war and danger, as we're now in, Americans should put leadership at the core of their decision. There are many qualities that make a great leader, but having strong beliefs, being able to stick with them through popular and unpopular times is the most important characteristic of a great leader. One of my heroes, Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler while his opponents characterized him as a war mongering gadfly. Another one of my heroes, Ronald Reagan, saw and described the Soviet Union as the evil empire while world opinion accepted it as inevitable and even belittled Ronald Reagan’s intelligence. President Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is."

[2and46]

lol, grow up little girl. Reagan single-handedly won the cold war and defeated the communist Soviet Union, the greatest victory in American history against the most powerful enemy.

RUDOLPH GULIANI: "Before September 11, we were living with an unrealistic view of our world, much like observing Europe appease Hitler or trying to accommodate the Soviet Union through the use of mutually assured destruction. President Bush decided that we could no longer just be on defense against global terrorism we must also be on offense. On September 20 -- on September 20, 2001, President Bush stood before a joint session of congress, a still grieving and shocked nation, and a confused world, and he changed the direction of our ship of state. He dedicated America under his leadership to destroying global terrorism. The president -- the president announced the Bush doctrine when he said, "a war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it doesn't end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." Since September 11, President Bush has remained rock solid. It doesn't matter to him how he's demonized. It doesn't matter to him what the media does to ridicule him or misinterpret him, or defeat him. They ridiculed Winston Churchill. They belittled Ronald Reagan, but like President Bush, they were optimists. Leaders need to be optimists. Their vision is beyond the present, and it's set on a future of real peace and security. Some call it stubbornness. I call it principled leadership. President Bush has the courage of his convictions. In choosing a president, we really don't choose just a republican or democrat. A conservative or a liberal. We choose a leader. And in times of war and danger, as we're now in, Americans should put leadership at the core of their decision. There are many qualities that make a great leader, but having strong beliefs, being able to stick with them through popular and unpopular times is the most important characteristic of a great leader. One of my heroes, Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler while his opponents characterized him as a war mongering gadfly. Another one of my heroes, Ronald Reagan, saw and described the Soviet Union as the evil empire while world opinion accepted it as inevitable and even belittled Ronald Reagan’s intelligence. President Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is."

Reagan as heroic? Excuse me while I barf.

[submachine]

Reagan as heroic? Excuse me while I barf.

You barf along with Madonna, Osama, and that distinguished list of losers.

I stand with Guiliani and patriots who understand history and the importance of Reagan's impact on winning the cold war.

[dracomordag]

You barf along with Madonna, Osama, and that distinguished list of losers.

and over 60 percent of the people who graduated from high school, over 70 percent of those who graduated form college

[submachine]

graduated form college

"from"

Actually, you side with those IN college, and high-school. Stay tough and ignorant, rebel, Madonna and Osama have your back :)

[sleestak]

"from"

Actually, you side with those IN college, and high-school. Stay tough and ignorant, rebel, Madonna and Osama have your back :)


Yeah, picking and choosing supporters is a great way to label an entire party. By that logic, you're on the same level as Britney Spears and Larry the Cable Guy.

[Opiate_Mass]

I thought several songs on Undertow and Aenima were political in nature? I don't think there's anything new here, I can't see Tool having songs being blatantly political....

yeah, hooker with a penis is about selling out (which isn't spiritual). aenema is about hill hick's crusade, and third eye is about hick's life philosophy

[submachine]

Yeah, picking and choosing supporters is a great way to label an entire party. By that logic, you're on the same level as Britney Spears and Larry the Cable Guy.

Says who, they aren't publicly politically active.

Madonna is. Rosie ODonell is. Osama Bin Laden is. And they are all on your side.

[ArizonaBay]

lol, grow up. Reagan single-handedly won the cold war and defeated the communist Soviet Union, the greatest victory in American history against the most powerful enemy.

Actually Soviet influence in the Eastern Europe fell because of opposition within the respective countries.

[tentonmantra]

this came via MySPace. I had sent my interpretation on the song names, stating that "maybe tool has gone history teaching, talking about native cultures X colonization, a metaphor for the Bush X the world thing." and that jambi is an insland in indonesia (or somethig like that)

.......

nope...........
no political soapbox
more personal
& jambi as in peewee's playhouse

take care & good luck
A


...

A as in Adam

[2and46]

The native american thing could be a metaphor for present-day american imperialism, but its a stretch. Any reference will be subtle.

[Animus X torsi]

peewee's playhouse?

[Divergence]

I was a little surprised when I started reading the things members of the band were saying. I guess my previous impression of this group is that they reacting to all the people out there that are self-important and think they need to change the world. And it appears as if they are/have become just this. A little dissapointing it is but I really didn't know anything about Tool over the years, just that I dig their music.

[Divergence]

As long as their lyrics remain cryptic enough to never understand the real meanings I guess it doesn't really matter what they believe politically. That seems to be a real fad coming out of western contintental America- celebrities being outspoken politically. I really have not use for it myself. Artists should stick with art because it just makes them look like they are trying too hard to be experts at everything.

[gl0tch]

but art is political by its very nature.

[Divergence]

I've never thought of art that way. You have a point. I've always had a purist's outlook on art in that it is nothing more than trying to making something beatiful for yourself and others to enjoy.

[Divergence]

So no I don't believe it is political by nature. It's nature is the expression of ideas. Aiming it down a political path is simply another use for it.

[gl0tch]

To paraphrase from elsewhere - Art is political because it is open to interpretation. Government is the structure of regulating interpretation and expression. Hence, art is political because it is contrary to the structures of a governing body of thought / action.

[Divergence]

That is an interesting way of looking at it.

[spooky]

A little dissapointing it is but I really didn't know anything about Tool over the yearsThank you Yoda.That seems to be a real fad coming out of western contintental America-It isn't just 'Western Continental America'.

[sleestak]

Says who, they aren't publicly politically active.

Madonna is. Rosie ODonell is. Osama Bin Laden is. And they are all on your side.

Fair enough. Then you get Tony Danza, Pat Sajak, Pat Boone, Bo Derek and Ron Silver. And before you tell me that they're not "politically active" (whatever that means), they're all either members of the Wednesday Morning Club or have given sizable contributions to Republicans.

So if you're a liberal, I guess you have Madonna and Rosie at your back. If you are a conservative, you have a whole host of people who were big in the 80's. Plus Ron Silver, who was never big.

[dracomordag]

"from"

Actually, you side with those IN college, and high-school. Stay tough and ignorant, rebel, Madonna and Osama have your back :)

no, actually, look at the election statistics. over 70 percent of high school graduates and over 60 percent of college graduates voted Democratic.

sorry.

[dracomordag]

Says who, they aren't publicly politically active.

Madonna is. Rosie ODonell is. Osama Bin Laden is. And they are all on your side.

what the hell is that supposed to mean? assuming you're right and those two aren't politically active, doesn't that just mean that they're apathetically supporting the party? that's a good deal worse thatn standing up for what you believe in.