10 Golborne Road London W10

[orange.juice]

Provoked by the huge excitement that was caused by Andy King´s review of the new Tool, be it legit or not, i searched for some info on the location of the listening session. And indeed, there is a "place" at 10 Golborne Road, just next to Trellick Tower. This place however does not actually resemble
"an unheard of pub-for-bohemians", but rather a quite stylish bar and restaurant, a club if you prefer.

The Number 10 (http://www.number10london.com/)
Phone book entry (http://www.192.com/search/details.cfm?action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
Aerial View (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/orangejuice82/Trellictowercopy.jpg)

Think of it what you want, that DJ gets -1 from me.

[ARMZ]

Did you see his follow up?

edit//it has been posted

[Tyson]

This is getting sad.

[orange.juice]

Did you see his follow up?

edit//it has been posted
?

[Andorion]

Internet Detective Juice

[Hannibal]

I think we've been played. i for one was leaning towards it being legit...but now i'm more skeptical.

[orange.juice]

can i have the custom title?

[ARMZ]

?
Nevermind.

[mike tyson]

I'm confused as to what this is/has to do with anything.

[flipmojo]

If you go back to that Total Rock forum, you can see that Andy removed his review. He said that he was contacted and told that he was not able to release anything. I also read that Tool canceled their interview with him. I don't understand why the band is being so secretive about this album. It seems like they are hiding it more than anything other album before.

Also, there were a bunch or turds from TDN that went over there and made a mess in their forum - just like they do here. Some of you guys need to lighten up and use common sense when you post.

I wonder how long this will go before we hear from Blair.

[orange.juice]

I'm confused as to what this is/has to do with anything.
Maybe it´s nothing and this guy was just decorating his story a little bit. Well there have been shitloads of threads on the tiniest possible clues from Blair´s mouth, so why not pointing this out.

[DJ07]

Shit got real crazy guys. Everyone needs to calm down and realize that this is legit and just hope maybe Maynard posts nudes of himself to hold us over until they tell us the name of the album.

[flipmojo]

Shit got real crazy guys. Everyone needs to calm down and realize that this is legit and just hope maybe Maynard posts nudes of himself to hold us over until they tell us the name of the album.

LOL!

[TurdEye13]

I bet you anything Blair has over 1,000 emails at this point with this whole Andy King incident!!!

[Ocelot199]

I vote that TDN detaches itself from this entire section of the forum.

Or if that fails, we take all of the regular posters here and burn them. Twice. Then piss of the ashes for good measure.

In short, stfu newbs.

[flipmojo]

newbs.

"You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

[Ocelot199]

I love that movie.

And yes, I know what it means. I do not think you understand how I'm using it.

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

I vote that TDN detaches itself from this entire section of the forum.

Or if that fails, we take all of the regular posters here and burn them. Twice. Then piss of the ashes for good measure.

In short, stfu newbs.

But if the newbs go away who will make all of the worthless threads?

[Ocelot199]

I think we could all pick up the slack.

Or just close this entire section to everyone but Stang and Naga. That'd be interesting.

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

I think we could all pick up the slack.



Wasn't there a time when they didn't allow new people to register because I remember when I went to register a few times but it wouldn't let me. Kinda like closing the TDN borders.

[Ocelot199]

Yeah, they do that once in a while... usually when some asshole keeps coming back over and over with new aliases (Pills, Killershears).

[paraflux]

Yeah, I had a few words with Andy, and he wasnt able to convince me, maybe he wrote to dan. Next time I lock something that is awaiting proof, dont jump all over my ass, people?

[orange.juice]

Can i have a custom title now?

[Hannibal]

If you go back to that Total Rock forum, you can see that Andy removed his review. He said that he was contacted and told that he was not able to release anything. I also read that Tool canceled their interview with him. I don't understand why the band is being so secretive about this album. It seems like they are hiding it more than anything other album before.

Also, there were a bunch or turds from TDN that went over there and made a mess in their forum - just like they do here. Some of you guys need to lighten up and use common sense when you post.

I wonder how long this will go before we hear from Blair.


Or...maybe he lied about it? That review spread quickly to several sites, including TDN, ToolArmy, and Distortionline, with the belief that it was legit (note that ToolArmy's post was by a member, not blair). So maybe he made it all up, and instead of fessing up to it, he just pulled it, posted a message that said "the band asked me to do this" and now he can cover his ass.

I think he jerked us around. I don't think he's heard the new album. And if I'm wrong...oh well.

[pris0n]

Yeah, they do that once in a while... usually when some asshole keeps coming back over and over with new aliases (Pills, Killershears).

What did killershears do that was so bad?

[Ocelot199]

If you were here during the time he was, you wouldn't be asking that question.

[Systolic]

Provoked by the huge excitement that was caused by Andy King´s review of the new Tool, be it legit or not, i searched for some info on the location of the listening session. And indeed, there is a "place" at 10 Golborne Road, just next to Trellick Tower. This place however does not actually resemble
"an unheard of pub-for-bohemians", but rather a quite stylish bar and restaurant, a club if you prefer.

The Number 10 (http://www.number10london.com/)
Phone book entry (http://www.192.com/search/details.cfm?action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
Aerial View (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/orangejuice82/Trellictowercopy.jpg)

Think of it what you want, that DJ gets -1 from me.


I already did that and I got the same impression...
I did it yesterday when he gave the address and I saw no sign of anything Toolish.. maybe that was intentional?

[DirtyBanana]

If you were here during the time he was, you wouldn't be asking that question.

Best answer EVER.

[CurtSchilling]

I know there will be a listening session in the Netherlands next Sunday. I don't have any details but the guy who posted it did this a day before the 'Goldborne' story.

Daniel

[Shaz]

Heh, after all this talk of real reviews, leaks, and tracklistings and the likeliness of them being false news...

We all are still anxious to hear the words of one man...Blair.

Thank you el-forumo for making me realize that this is,

just

another

CD.

Round plastic with data stored in the form of 3 talented artists and 1 prick that has a way with words.

3 years of this.

chill, we're all gonna hear it soon.

[Tertius Oculum]

3 years? Try something a little higher, like INFINITY!11113424LMAO!

[dracomordag]

Blair did say to look for leaks, and here one came...

[5th Eye]

Ah yes, it all depends on your interpretation of "leak"...no music ones as far as I see though; I'm eager for more reviews and tracklists.

[knot0fvipers]

just joined, not a "tool", this is one hard board to get on....

"If you go back to that Total Rock forum, you can see that Andy removed his review. He said that he was contacted and told that he was not able to release anything. I also read that Tool canceled their interview with him"

to me that makes perfect sense and adds to the legitness of the review. why would tool care if he released a bogus review? I guess there is the small probability this guy could have made up that review to get his name out there but that would seem like a pretty dumb move for the future as far as people taking him seriously.
sounds like he gave out to much information, tool is pissed at him now and cutting him off.

[5th Eye]

It was mentioned that the review leak posed some problems for the band and its management. (For the life of me I can't remember where this was posted; probably here.) I really hope this doesn't mean that they will push back the schedule in any way; however that could be a possibility.

Thoughts?

[Mehhico]

just joined, not a "tool", this is one hard board to get on....

to me that makes perfect sense and adds to the legitness of the review. why would tool care if he released a bogus review?

Welcome.

And I agree with you on this. I would say Tool would be overjoyed to hear all the bullshit "reviews" and tracklists, etc. it would make their job of fucking with us easier...

quite ironic in this light, Tool have fucked with us a lot in the past, and now we all seem to do it without them lifting a finger.

[MasterOfKtulu109]

If you go back to that Total Rock forum, you can see that Andy removed his review. He said that he was contacted and told that he was not able to release anything. I also read that Tool canceled their interview with him. I don't understand why the band is being so secretive about this album. It seems like they are hiding it more than anything other album before.

Also, there were a bunch or turds from TDN that went over there and made a mess in their forum - just like they do here. Some of you guys need to lighten up and use common sense when you post.

I wonder how long this will go before we hear from Blair.


the reason they are being secretive is they don't want the album to end up on the internet 2 months before release. this review makes me worry that if info like this gets out without a problem, i wouldn't be surprised to see the album leak in the coming weeks.

[Ktuluvic]

There's a large difference between a review leaking and the actual tracks leaking. Tracks are usually leaked from someone working in the cd pressing plant.


to me that makes perfect sense and adds to the legitness of the review. why would tool care if he released a bogus review?
They would care because it can taint people's opinion of the album before they hear it. The same goes for a real review. Trying to put any music into words is very hard, much less something as complex as tool's music. It took many listens to even start to digest lateralus and aenima. I would assume they just want people to hear the music and take it in for themselves and not prematurely make judgements on the album based on a substanceless review.

Oh, and yes, you are a tool knot0fvipers.

[flipmojo]

the reason they are being secretive is they don't want the album to end up on the internet 2 months before release. this review makes me worry that if info like this gets out without a problem, i wouldn't be surprised to see the album leak in the coming weeks.

What does album reviews, track listings and an album name have to do with digital music leaking? Nothing. The only way for the music to leak would be if someone had a copy of the music. If someone got their hands on a burned CD of the music, or had access to the digital files, they could release it to the web. But that won't happen until the CDs are pressed.

So there is no way an album review will leak music to the web. I wouldn't expect a leak of music until they start pressing CDs. And that won't be until sometime in April with a May 2nd release date.

The bottom line is that Tool is not ready to let the world know about their new album. They are still being stingy about it for whatever reason. They only want people that they approve to hear it first on their terms. They are still trying to control everything aroud the album. But at some point, you just have to let it go and start releasing information (not the actual music, of course).

[ARMZ]

What does album reviews, track listings and an album name have to do with digital music leaking? Nothing. The only way for the music to leak would be if someone had a copy of the music. If someone got their hands on a burned CD of the music, or had access to the digital files, they could release it to the web. But that won't happen until the CDs are pressed.
Well someone could sneak a microphone and recording device into a listening session and release it over the web, it would most likely be shit quality but I'm sure many would download it.

[Cucumber_11]

What does album reviews, track listings and an album name have to do with digital music leaking? Nothing. The only way for the music to leak would be if someone had a copy of the music. If someone got their hands on a burned CD of the music, or had access to the digital files, they could release it to the web. But that won't happen until the CDs are pressed.

So there is no way an album review will leak music to the web. I wouldn't expect a leak of music until they start pressing CDs. And that won't be until sometime in April with a May 2nd release date.

The bottom line is that Tool is not ready to let the world know about their new album. They are still being stingy about it for whatever reason. They only want people that they approve to hear it first on their terms. They are still trying to control everything aroud the album. But at some point, you just have to let it go and start releasing information (not the actual music, of course).
I guess they just want us to be 100% surprised when it comes out? Hearing the names of the songs may give people a certain preconception and forthought of what to expect. This all adds to the hype. Then if the song they've dreamed about, mused about, obsessed about does not reach their expectations they will be dissapointed. Possibly ruining the whole album for them.

Personaly i don't think we'll even see a tracklist before the CD is fully released. Unless of course if it is leaked, but even then, having no official word, would we trust it?

[Johnny Truant]

you know, if you guys would just ask me, i'd tell you why.

last time around (salival in 2000 and lateralus in 2001), as soon as titles were released, domain names for each title/track name were registered, and a lot of fake merch sites suddenly went live, and a lot of people (according to mjk) got ripped off.

the band doesn't want that to happen again; in fact, they expect to register domains for all new songs and have them point to toolband.

also last time, the album leaked onto the net about a week before release. it was disheartening for the band, and they're hopeful it won't happen again.
.

[Christoff]

I think Tool are trying to prove that stopping an album internet leak can be done, in order for other artists to be able to do it. Does that make sense?

They are not complete arseholes with egoist views of their own music (well they may be...). Asking that DJ to pull his review shows them in a bad light, and the general paranoid secrecy regarding the release does too.

I think they are pulling out all the stops on this one, not to prevent their own album getting leaked (like they'd lose much!), but to prove that it is possible to stop it. If they do then it gives other artists a blueprint to work from.

It really feels to me like everything they do as a band is for the benefit of music and creativity. In this light, the secrecy makes sense.

[kyyuulle]

i almost wish they weren't doing a promo tour, but that's just how it goes

[Fulcanelli]

I think Tool are trying to prove that stopping an album internet leak can be done, in order for other artists to be able to do it. Does that make sense?

They are not complete arseholes with egoist views of their own music (well they may be...). Asking that DJ to pull his review shows them in a bad light, and the general paranoid secrecy regarding the release does too.

I think they are pulling out all the stops on this one, not to prevent their own album getting leaked (like they'd lose much!), but to prove that it is possible to stop it. If they do then it gives other artists a blueprint to work from.

It really feels to me like everything they do as a band is for the benefit of music and creativity. In this light, the secrecy makes sense.

Then why do a promo tour?

[Christoff]

Then why do a promo tour?

Haha! You're so right!

These bloody coronas, messing with my neurostructures...

[Wretched]

Then why do a promo tour?

For media attention?

The fact they are doing a media tour doesn't really highten the risk of a complete track being released. Only the execs. and Tool have the CD. It isn't like they are handing out copies left and right. I bet they only have 5 CDs max with them on this tour.

They need some media attention, they've been gone for 5 years. I think they want to avoid the Nine Inch Nails BS that happened. It got released too early on the net and people shit on it before they'd buy it. If Tool can keep it too about 3-5 days before a leak is even heard, they win.

[jwb]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11504146/

Now we know what the 3 members of TOOL are really up to.

[SpiralOutKeepGoing]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11504146/

Now we know what the 3 members of TOOL are really up to.

I highly doubt that. Unless Blair is with them.

[Ocelot199]

Question: Did Salival leak before it was released? DVD or the CD tracks? I don't think the new DVDs leaked before they came out, did they?

[hanger25934]

no. probably since there was little anticipation for dvds of videos people had already seen.

[Ocelot199]

The stuff on the Salival CD was previously unreleased material. I would have been hella excited about it, sort of like I'm hella excited about the new DVD thats coming out in the coming century. It seems like it would have leaked, had Tool just ignored it and let it.

So what'd they do last time around? Certainly not the same thing they're doing here... listening tour 2 1/2 months before release, no titles or tracklistings...