TB update [Archive] - The Tool Page: Opinion

ARMZ

01-11-2006, 05:17 PM

FROM DUSK ‘TILL DAWN
Those of you who purchased the DVD singles for Schism and/or Parabol(a) will have noticed an orange sticker affixed to the packaging announcing that TOOL would be releasing a new record sometime in the Spring of 2006. From all indications, this is where things still stand – a Spring 2006 release (although, despite what you might have read on other sites, it won’t be in March). In fact, in talking with the guys the other day, we calculated that Salma will probably do her little nightclub snake-dance at least three thousand more times as they put the finishing touches on the mixing of the new recording (segues, voice overs, effects, etc.). Here I should explain that, for whatever reason, Joe Barresi has the Salma Hayek dance sequence from the movie “From Dusk ‘Till Dawn” on a constant loop on the large monitor in the studio*. This has been playing non-stop throughout the entire recording/mixing process, so if you figure the approximate time of the loop (i.e. Salma's dance) and know that they put in about 12 plus hour days(6 days a week), you’ll get some idea of how much longer they’ll be at the console tweaking the thing (well worth it, I might add, having heard several of the tunes already mixed). Anyway, other than the possible release of David Gilmour’s new solo album and Kat’s birthday, the March date everyone keeps emailing me about means nothing to me (or anyone else that I asked). I don’t even think it has anything to do with the UK release of the DVD Schism and Parabol(a) singles, but I suppose that could be the case if they haven’t already been released there. Somebody will let me know – that much I'm sure of I’m sure of. Alright, I just wanted to give you a little update (dispel yet another internet rumor), and let you know that the mixes are sounding pretty great.

• Probably kind of a superstitious thing – this little eccentricity on Joe’s part, at least I can’t think of any other reason for that particular scene to be constantly playing in the studio.

TenSpeed

01-11-2006, 05:24 PM

Sweet, actual (kind of) news.

Ryan

01-11-2006, 05:24 PM

april 17.

ARMZ

01-11-2006, 05:25 PM

3000 hours = 125 days, 125 days from today is about May 17th

Noach

01-11-2006, 05:29 PM

Time of the dance X 3000...where did you get 3000 hours from?
Someone find the length of the scene and do the math!

ARMZ

01-11-2006, 05:33 PM

Time of the dance X 3000...where did you get 3000 hours from?
Someone find the length of the scene and do the math!
Good question, I don't know.

Actually I think it might be as simple as that, think about it, Blair wants you to go running to get dusk til dawn, watch that sequence and do some calculations, I can picturing him laughing when someone comes back with a post, "well I watched it and blah blah but it only went for blah blah, this doesn't make sense blah blah"

mattw

01-11-2006, 05:39 PM

I just can't believe that Blair actually gave us a fairly straight-forward update: the guys are working hard, the songs so far sound great and that the record should be out sometime in April, if not May. No additional stuff, just news about the band. I envy Balir and anyone else who has already heard some of the new material as I'm really looking forward to that first listening experience...

Spongebob

01-11-2006, 05:47 PM

i analysed the cryptic update for 2 hours and i think blair is trying to tell us that the album should be out in april. if you read between the lines thats what it looks like to me anyway.

what do other people think? i wish blair would be straight up about it.

mattw

01-11-2006, 05:50 PM

12 Hours a day, 6 days a week is 72 hours a week or 4320 minutes a week...

Simply put, if the loop is 1min, then 3000/4320 = about 5 days (working days)

2min: 6000/4320 = about 10 days

3min: 9000/4320 = about 15 days

4min: 12000/4320 = about 19 or 20 days

5min: 15000/4320 = about 24 days

and so so...

If Blair really means what he said about playing it 3000 more times, then the above times is what it will take according to how long the loop is. Hope this helped.

DaveTheDew

01-11-2006, 05:52 PM

Well I watched it and it only went for 4 minutes. So 4 x 3000 = 12000. Plug that into the whole 12 hours a week/6 days a week and I come to the conclusion that the album will come out in 2 1/2 weeks. This makes no sense.

edit - my math may suck but my number is correct

WearingVans501s

01-11-2006, 05:54 PM

its when the album will be done mixing..........not released

dipshits

mattw

01-11-2006, 06:01 PM

its when the album will be done mixing..........not released

dipshits

I only meant how long it will take to mix etc. in my last post, and in the one before I did say April or May as a possible release date. My post was only to show how long it would take to show a 4 min clip etc at least 3000 times, nothing more. If the band finish working on the album in 3 weeks or so then that's cool with me if it comes out later in Spring...

DaveTheDew

01-11-2006, 06:02 PM

ok...so 2 1/2 weeks until they are done mixing it. Awesome.

wtf does that mean to me - the consumer?

DaveTheDew

01-11-2006, 06:04 PM

never mind

WearingVans501s

01-11-2006, 06:10 PM

edit - my math may suck but my number is correct

i think it's your brain thats lacking

DaveTheDew

01-11-2006, 06:14 PM

i think it's your brain thats lacking
Well you're just the wittiest of them all aren't you?

millermt

01-11-2006, 06:22 PM

Like the soundboard says: 4/4/06

magnolia

01-11-2006, 06:29 PM

I just can't believe that Blair actually gave us a fairly straight-forward update: the guys are working hard, the songs so far sound great and that the record should be out sometime in April, if not May. No additional stuff, just news about the band.

Yeah if only Blair updated like this all the time. He could have left out the skill-testing question but otherwise, pretty informative and less annoying than usual.

clone

01-11-2006, 07:50 PM

i'm not sure, but i think i figured this out: blair is trying to tell us here that the new album will not be released on march. anyone agree?

millermt

01-11-2006, 07:59 PM

Blair actually answered one question whether he realizes it or not. The sticker on the DVDs actually states new Tool "release" Spring 2006. That could have referred to the new CD or the live DVD. We now know for sure it is the CD.

SpiralOutKeepGoing

01-11-2006, 08:13 PM

i'm not sure, but i think i figured this out: blair is trying to tell us here that the new album will not be released on march. anyone agree?

Well considering Blair says ''the March date everyone keeps emailing me about means nothing to me (or anyone else that I asked)'' then yes it would be obvious no CD in march.

mike tyson

01-11-2006, 08:27 PM

Cool that we got a real upate.

It's going to be released in April.

Look for a hectic April Fool's Day Prank, changing what we will know by then.

Underalus

01-11-2006, 09:04 PM

It's guaran coming in April. Three weeks to finish all the post production work leaves them at the beginning of Feb. So they have all of that month plus March for video filming and tour preparations. It makes sense that it will come out sometime in April, hopefully really early. Does anyone know the status of the artwork? I assume that will take some time unless it's already done/in progress. Just a few more weeks and we'll all know for sure.

TenSpeed

01-11-2006, 09:36 PM

Artwork's been in progress already I believe.

ElDespertador

01-11-2006, 11:57 PM

FROM DUSK ‘TILL DAWN ...

Where's all the "hidden messages"? Where's all the UFO, Iceland, mysticism etc. related bs?

Where's Blair?

This can't be his update, this is actually informative....

Ktuluvic

01-12-2006, 12:16 AM

Hidden Message? How about the dance scene with the snake.....could be symbol for something. Some of that Josh Davis artwork for the new site had some serpentine type stuff.

waffel

01-12-2006, 12:59 AM

Well, the first day of Spring is March 20th. The sticker says "New Album in Spring 2006. So really, having a March release would mean either the 21st or the 28th (tuesdays)

I dont think anyone expected a March release of the album. This leaves April and May and most of June. Now, Tool loves april fools, so I wouldnt be surprised to see something done on April 1st (either an album name or something) Maybe they'll release the album name on the 1st, and nobody will believe it since its the 1st, and that will be the actual name.

I expect a release either late April or early to mid-May

Shaz

01-12-2006, 01:25 AM

What exactly is mixing. Just need a simple answer... nothing too complex. Is it just making the music they have recorded sound better, is it correcting odd mistakes in the tunes, is it actually rearranging the songs, making the sound the best it possibly can be in cd format, is it stirring with a wisk and hoping all the ingredients that you put in were supposed to go in the mixture...?

what is it?

Thanks
Shaz

Sleep

01-12-2006, 01:40 AM

Ultimately, fiddling with the volume levels of each track within each song so that they all compliment each other and work together without drowning one another out.

5th Eye

01-12-2006, 05:08 AM

Of course you all know that spring runs until late June, right?

clone

01-12-2006, 05:17 AM

Well considering Blair says ''the March date everyone keeps emailing me about means nothing to me (or anyone else that I asked)'' then yes it would be obvious no CD in march.

brilliant.

Christoff

01-12-2006, 05:41 AM

Hidden Message? How about the dance scene with the snake.....could be symbol for something. Some of that Josh Davis artwork for the new site had some serpentine type stuff.

The new album is about the Kundalini.

placidium

01-12-2006, 06:18 AM

i love blair's enthusiasm this album is going to rock my sperm dairy

Self_Destructive

01-12-2006, 06:28 AM

Finally we're getting a sort of informative update...
And just in case someone cares about kundalini:
http://www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.html

Christoff

01-12-2006, 07:27 AM

Finally we're getting a sort of informative update...
And just in case someone cares about kundalini:
http://www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.html

The Caduceus symbol is related to the Kundalini.

Blair has written about this latent energy at the bottom of the spine, most notably in his recent article in issue two of Sub Rosa. It is the energy that will trigger the next step in human evolution.

The wiki on it is informative, and there are good links at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

awaking

01-12-2006, 08:26 AM

Of course you all know that spring runs until late June, right?
06-06-06

champion

01-12-2006, 08:40 AM

what's there to decipher? he said there's a new record coming out in the spring, but late-spring, and not march as some people think.

gerbil

01-12-2006, 10:02 AM

"voice overs"

placidium

01-12-2006, 10:42 AM

will the new album have drums?

MasterOfKtulu109

01-12-2006, 11:11 AM

It will probably be the same thing as Lateralus. Release date in mid-april, delayed till mid-May.

TurdEye13

01-12-2006, 11:47 AM

It will probably be the same thing as Lateralus. Release date in mid-april, delayed till mid-May.

Probably not. That will send this section into a frenzy. I sure hope they stick to the original release date that they issue.

dracomordag

01-12-2006, 12:43 PM

-> for a CD this sounds weird or am I wrong? On a DVD I can see this sooner....

I was thinking about this as well... the only non-blatant info in the whole update was the mentioning of segues, voice overs and effects (which was pretty straight-forward anyway... good job Blair!).

I figure the mentioning of segues means that we'll have more segues than Lateralus (probably close to Aenima's number), and the effects are obviously just effects that they havent layered on yet.

However, the voice overs could mean any number of things. Will it be a Henry Rollns type thing? Bill Hicks a la Aenima? A narrative telling the story of a concept album?

any thoughts?

SpiralOutKeepGoing

01-12-2006, 01:36 PM

I was thinking about this as well... the only non-blatant info in the whole update was the mentioning of segues, voice overs and effects (which was pretty straight-forward anyway... good job Blair!).

I figure the mentioning of segues means that we'll have more segues than Lateralus (probably close to Aenima's number), and the effects are obviously just effects that they havent layered on yet.

However, the voice overs could mean any number of things. Will it be a Henry Rollns type thing? Bill Hicks a la Aenima? A narrative telling the story of a concept album?

any thoughts?

Maybe Blair will make his debut on a Tool CD with a voice over.

killershears

01-12-2006, 02:03 PM

Maybe Blair will sing the barney "I love you. You love me." song in a very high pitch.

TurdEye13

01-12-2006, 02:20 PM

Why does Blair mention January 23rd at the end of the news update?

wix3l

01-12-2006, 02:39 PM

Why does Blair mention January 23rd at the end of the news update?

Maybe we'll get another update that day...

Foamy

01-12-2006, 02:39 PM

Why does Blair mention January 23rd at the end of the news update?
Thats the date he and Danny first made love.

millermt

01-12-2006, 03:01 PM

Why does Blair mention January 23rd at the end of the news update?

Because that's the day HMV has listed for the release of the Parabola and Schism DVDs in the UK.

BatterY316

01-12-2006, 03:12 PM

gay

/V\agina

01-12-2006, 06:02 PM

1/23/06....

My jones bottle cap says "Good news is on the way".

/V\agina

01-12-2006, 06:05 PM

What is the time signature when the Salma Hayek sequence starts in From Dusk Till Dawn?

Anybody have the movie? That might provide some insight.

BatterY316

01-12-2006, 06:10 PM

no it won't.

millermt

01-12-2006, 06:30 PM

1/23/06....

My jones bottle cap says "Good news is on the way".

Only if you live in the UK. (That is the release date for the Schism and Parabola DVDs there.)

WearingVans501s

01-12-2006, 06:44 PM

gerbil

01-12-2006, 06:45 PM

Maybe Blair will sing the barney "I love you. You love me." song in a very high pitch.

That would be singing, not a voice-over.

Nerd.

SpiralOutKeepGoing

01-12-2006, 07:41 PM

Because that's the day HMV has listed for the release of the Parabola and Schism DVDs in the UK.

According to Kabir and his news at the news page thats wrong. The real release date for those DVD's is February 6th.

just simulacra

01-12-2006, 07:43 PM

Maybe Blair will make his debut on a Tool CD with a voice over.

If blair ever manages to infiltrate his fucking queeny self onto a tool album, I'll quit life.

awaking

01-12-2006, 09:38 PM

blair probably loves his job

magnolia

01-12-2006, 10:50 PM

I figure the mentioning of segues means that we'll have more segues than Lateralus (probably close to Aenima's number)

I can see all the tracks being segued together. As for voice-overs... maybe that's what the rumored guest appearances are.

... Because Homme singing backups just seems... unjust (although he could do some weird Kyuss voice things really quietly in the background somewhere and have it fit... maybe)

DirtyBanana

01-12-2006, 11:46 PM

BTW...The DVD´s are avalible in Germany now.Yesterday www.amazon.de sent me an email that the DVD has been send.

DirtyBanana

01-12-2006, 11:50 PM

I can see all the tracks being segued together. As for voice-overs... maybe that's what the rumored guest appearances are.

... Because Homme singing backups just seems... unjust (although he could do some weird Kyuss voice things really quietly in the background somewhere and have it fit... maybe)

"Voice overs" can also mean to double the maynards vocals or even just layer guitar on some parts to make it sound more fat.

Though Josh Homme on one song would be cool.

What wiki says:

"Voice-over
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Voice over)
Jump to: navigation, search
This is a term in filmmaking and is used to describe the technique by which a filmmaker places the sound of a human voice (or voices) over images shown on the screen. These sounds may or may not be related to the images being shown. Sometimes voiceovers can create ironic counterpoint with the images being shown; also, sometimes they can be random voices not directly connected to the people seen on the screen.

Thus, the voice-over becomes the narration that is played on top of a video segment, usually with the audio for that segment muted or lowered - or not existing at all in the case of many documentary films.

In works of fiction, the voice-over is often by a character reflecting back on his or her past, or by a person external to the story who usually has a more complete knowledge of the events in the film than the other characters. The genre of film noir is especially associated with the voice-over technique. Also, directors may add a voice-over late in the production because the plot or a character's motivation isn't clear; for instance Francis Ford Coppola added Capt. Willard's voice-overs to Apocalypse Now to clarify Willard's character.

The voice-over has many applications in non-fiction as well. Television news is often presented as a series of video clips of newsworthy events, with voice-over by the reporters describing the significance of the scenes being presented; these are interspersed with straight video of the news anchors describing stories for which video is not shown. Live sports broadcasts are usually shown as extensive voice-overs by expert announcers over video of the sporting event. Game shows formerly made extensive use of voice-overs to introduce contestants and describe available or awarded prizes, but this technique has diminished as shows have moved toward predominantly cash prizes.

The voice-over may be spoken by someone who also appears on-screen in other segments or it may be performed by a specialist voice actor. Voice-over is also commonly referred to as "off camera" commentary.

Voice-over commentary by a leading critic, historian, or by the production personnel themselves is now a prominent feature of the release of films on DVDs.

See also: motion picture terminology; voice actor"

ElDespertador

01-13-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by millermt
Because that's the day HMV has listed for the release of the Parabola and Schism DVDs in the UK.

According to Kabir and his news at the news page thats wrong. The real release date for those DVD's is February 6th.

BTW...The DVD´s are avalible in Germany now.Yesterday www.amazon.de sent me an email that the DVD has been send.

Sounds strange. I got mine home this wednesday from dcon.com. As far as i understood, the dvd's were supposed to be shipped to Europe on January 5th. But as it seems, this aint the case on all over Europe?

DirtyBanana

01-13-2006, 04:23 AM

Just recieved mine and watching at this moment....

Foamy

01-13-2006, 04:28 AM

I feel soothed...

bluefire

01-13-2006, 06:11 AM

blair probably loves his job

or lack thereof

clarity.

01-13-2006, 06:48 AM

bin

Christoff

01-13-2006, 09:23 AM

Amazon.co.uk now have both DVD's for release on the 23rd of January.

moneyisevil

01-13-2006, 09:54 AM

i almost gave up on caring about the album, but finally some semi-news..woo hoo

ALSO DONT BE SURPRISED IF TGHE ALBUM ONLY HAS 12 TRACKS WITH ATLEAST 4-5 SEGUES

waffel

01-13-2006, 10:14 AM

will the new album have drums?

this made me laugh for some reason

TurdEye13

01-13-2006, 11:25 AM

ALSO DONT BE SURPRISED IF TGHE ALBUM ONLY HAS 12 TRACKS WITH ATLEAST 4-5 SEGUES

Considering that we have been told that there are some very lengthy songs on "Triangulum",there will probably more segues than in the past.

ATARI

01-13-2006, 01:11 PM

clariton

Spoon

01-13-2006, 02:16 PM

claritin

waffel

01-13-2006, 02:18 PM

ATARI

01-13-2006, 04:50 PM

rimb

01-13-2006, 05:38 PM

Just recieved mine and watching at this moment....

Are they in PAL or NTSC format?

ATARI

01-13-2006, 06:57 PM

PATSC

magnolia

01-13-2006, 11:10 PM

"Voice overs" can also mean to double the maynards vocals or even just layer guitar on some parts to make it sound more fat.

Though Josh Homme on one song would be cool.

What wiki says:

"Voice-over
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Voice over)
Jump to: navigation, search
This is a term in filmmaking and is used to describe the technique by which a filmmaker places the sound of a human voice (or voices) over images shown on the screen. These sounds may or may not be related to the images being shown. Sometimes voiceovers can create ironic counterpoint with the images being shown; also, sometimes they can be random voices not directly connected to the people seen on the screen.

Thus, the voice-over becomes the narration that is played on top of a video segment, usually with the audio for that segment muted or lowered - or not existing at all in the case of many documentary films.

In works of fiction, the voice-over is often by a character reflecting back on his or her past, or by a person external to the story who usually has a more complete knowledge of the events in the film than the other characters. The genre of film noir is especially associated with the voice-over technique. Also, directors may add a voice-over late in the production because the plot or a character's motivation isn't clear; for instance Francis Ford Coppola added Capt. Willard's voice-overs to Apocalypse Now to clarify Willard's character.

The voice-over has many applications in non-fiction as well. Television news is often presented as a series of video clips of newsworthy events, with voice-over by the reporters describing the significance of the scenes being presented; these are interspersed with straight video of the news anchors describing stories for which video is not shown. Live sports broadcasts are usually shown as extensive voice-overs by expert announcers over video of the sporting event. Game shows formerly made extensive use of voice-overs to introduce contestants and describe available or awarded prizes, but this technique has diminished as shows have moved toward predominantly cash prizes.

The voice-over may be spoken by someone who also appears on-screen in other segments or it may be performed by a specialist voice actor. Voice-over is also commonly referred to as "off camera" commentary.

Voice-over commentary by a leading critic, historian, or by the production personnel themselves is now a prominent feature of the release of films on DVDs.

See also: motion picture terminology; voice actor"

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Goldfoot

01-13-2006, 11:24 PM

:|

So change it to what you want it to be.

Izzoman

01-14-2006, 01:08 PM

BMB needs some more quality updates like his last one.

zenkinet

01-14-2006, 02:08 PM

http://members.aol.com/juliemax9/3gp/Salma_Hayek_-_Dusk_Till_Dawn_Dance_Scene.3gp

mike09

01-14-2006, 02:30 PM

http://members.aol.com/juliemax9/3gp/Salma_Hayek_-_Dusk_Till_Dawn_Dance_Scene.3gp

thanks.

zenkinet

01-14-2006, 04:09 PM

It seems that there is a connection with "mexican/south american" culture in the recent clues regarding Tool.

1) The picture that was posted on the Tool site of the mayan/aztec stone plate.
2) Joshua's tattoos also depicting such iconography, might have influenced Tool.
3) The supposed Tool website that Joshua showed, at the flash convention that had a somewhat mayan appearence.
4) The mention of From Dust Til' Dawn, a movie that takes place on a place near the mexican border.

but maybe its all a bunch of coincidences.
a pattern emmerging, just because i am looking for one.
that is all.

mike09

01-14-2006, 07:48 PM

zenkinet

01-14-2006, 10:17 PM

5) • • • - • • - - • - - looks exactly like the Mayan numerical system. Not sure what number it is though.

3 5 2 10 1 2?

Unintelligible_Whispering

01-14-2006, 10:29 PM

5) • • • - • • - - • - - looks exactly like the Mayan numerical system. Not sure what number it is though.

i got 3 5 2 5 2. looks like its not gonna be that straightforward.

mike09

01-15-2006, 06:29 AM

3 5 2 5 5 1 5 5

is what I get

by the way, can someone give me a link to this flash convention with josh davis where he shows what the new tool site is going to look like.

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 07:19 AM

by the way, can someone give me a link to this flash convention with josh davis where he shows what the new tool site is going to look like.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecreighton/9691268/

Ktuluvic

01-15-2006, 07:22 AM

thanks for the link....for future reference, that reply w/quote button works wonders.

mike09

01-15-2006, 07:31 AM

"by the way, can someone give me a link to this flash convention with josh davis where he shows what the new tool site is going to look like."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecreighton/9691268/

thanks. So, is that really what it's going to look like? Or is it just a rumor?

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 08:35 AM

thanks for the link....for future reference, that reply w/quote button works wonders.
i didn't want to quote the whole thing, to save space.

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 08:36 AM

its rumoured to use that technology, who knows it might be how it will look, time will tell.

Nebel

01-15-2006, 09:47 AM

"by the way, can someone give me a link to this flash convention with josh davis where he shows what the new tool site is going to look like."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecreighton/9691268/

This is even better: http://mmusergroup.breezecentral.com/p96636002/

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 09:55 AM

This is even better: http://mmusergroup.breezecentral.com/p96636002/

nice thanks

mike09

01-15-2006, 10:30 AM

wow, thanks. that was really interesting.

Ktuluvic

01-15-2006, 11:38 AM

i didn't want to quote the whole thing

you can edit your quotes....

Nice find on that new link Nebel.

Goldfoot

01-15-2006, 01:02 PM

This is even better: http://mmusergroup.breezecentral.com/p96636002/

"Coming out in about a month or so..............."

Nice.

mike09

01-15-2006, 01:33 PM

"Coming out in about a month or so..............."

Nice.

But when was this said?

Goldfoot

01-15-2006, 01:41 PM

But when was this said?

July. I was being sarcastic.

mike09

01-15-2006, 02:10 PM

oh. hah

mattw

01-15-2006, 05:19 PM

Well, January 16/17th is nearly here so, hopefully, we will receive some news despite the informative update 'From Dusk Till Dawn' the other day. There hasn't been a newsletter for quite a while so maybe Blair will include something big in that form. Looking back at newsletters from 2001, Lateralus is mentioned in the year's first few newsletters. I wonder why there hasn't been a newsletter for so long?

Anyway, I hope we hear some more good news soon...

mattw

01-15-2006, 05:26 PM

Actually, I should say that the March 2001 newsletter mentions a few things about Lateralus. Sorry to mislead anyone. January 17th seems to be an important day to the band so perhaps they will mention something new then... that's all.

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 05:55 PM

a post about Adam's birthday was posted, mentioned Salma again.

Ryan

01-15-2006, 06:09 PM

and Firefly.

just simulacra

01-15-2006, 06:28 PM

finally, someone brings to light the meso-american connection.
its about time some of you start talking/thinking about it.

just simulacra

01-15-2006, 06:28 PM

PACAL VOTAN

KJM

01-15-2006, 06:42 PM

Neither

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 06:50 PM

finally, someone brings to light the meso-american connection.
its about time some of you start talking/thinking about it.
like I said before it might be a coincidence, because now that I am taking a second look at the "demons" that Joshua Davis used for the mock Tool site, they seem to look more asian then anything.

So we don't really know where things are going until we have hard evidence, regarding the visuals that Tool are going to use.

orange.juice

01-15-2006, 07:28 PM

i think josh davis chooses demons and dragons randomly, same goes for anatomic stuff, architecture, jellyfish, colors, placement, and the rest of his work. Maybe he chooses them for looking "crazy", he seems to like that word just next to "actually" and "basically". That LA-Flash video-chat thingie is enlightening.

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 07:59 PM

zenkinet

01-15-2006, 08:30 PM

oh i just tried calculating the amount of days that Tool will remain to finish the album, with the Salma Hayek dance scene, its approximately 16 days.

12(hours) x 60(minutes) = 720(minutes in a work day)
720 ÷ 4(minutes[length of dance]) = 180(dances per day)
3000(estimated amount of dances left) ÷ 180(dances per day) = 16.6 days?
hmmm that can't be right can it?

orange.juice

01-15-2006, 10:01 PM

i was just stating that the demons/dragons, come from an asian aesthetic rather then a meso-american one

yeah and you´re right. i just wanted to say that i think Davis has no artistic concept for his designs as for what can be seen in the lengthy flash movie. In fact he talks like a complete moron. I mean why does he scan and vectorize jellyfish and bones? Cause they look "crazy". And that´s about it. Neither does he care about any meanings or origins of the symbols he uses nor is he able to explain what impact those symbols will have on or what associations will be set free in the viewer´s mind. Then again, maybe he is just highly nervous in that video-interview-whatever.

zenkinet

01-16-2006, 03:39 AM

yeah and you´re right. i just wanted to say that i think Davis has no artistic concept for his designs as for what can be seen in the lengthy flash movie. In fact he talks like a complete moron. I mean why does he scan and vectorize jellyfish and bones? Cause they look "crazy". And that´s about it. Neither does he care about any meanings or origins of the symbols he uses nor is he able to explain what impact those symbols will have on or what associations will be set free in the viewer´s mind. Then again, maybe he is just highly nervous in that video-interview-whatever.

Hopefully if Joshua is making the final site and the album artwork, that infact the material traced for the artwork applies to Tool, I would really think that Alex Grey should do the elements for Joshua to use. Some people think Joshua is a fine artist, but I dunno, I think of him more as a flash/web designer more then an artist.

gerbil

01-16-2006, 07:59 AM

Hopefully if Joshua is making the final site and the album artwork, that infact the material traced for the artwork applies to Tool, I would really think that Alex Grey should do the elements for Joshua to use. Some people think Joshua is a fine artist, but I dunno, I think of him more as a flash/web designer more then an artist.

I think that was the implication. That Tool would design the art and Davis would apply it.

zenkinet

01-16-2006, 08:24 AM

I think that was the implication. That Tool would design the art and Davis would apply it.

i hope that will be the case.

gerbil

01-16-2006, 08:54 AM

i hope that will be the case.

He's a software designer, anyway. I have a feeling Adam's largely guiding him in the direction he wants Davis to go. "Use the demonic images." I do like Davis's random image generation technology, it's pretty slick.

zenkinet

01-16-2006, 09:03 AM

He's a software designer, anyway. I have a feeling Adam's largely guiding him in the direction he wants Davis to go. "Use the demonic images." I do like Davis's random image generation technology, it's pretty slick.

yes the technology is very cool, and its coding is intense.

Ertai

01-16-2006, 12:05 PM

good thread, we are getting much hotter

zenkinet

01-16-2006, 12:14 PM

good thread, we are getting much hotter
hotter to what?

Foamy

01-16-2006, 12:42 PM

yes the technology is very cool, and its coding is intense.
It doesn't hard at all to be honest. Generate random numbers, use them as coords on the canvas, do the same with colours and what have you. It's not too impressive, but the effect is fantastic.

Ktuluvic

01-16-2006, 01:11 PM

It doesn't hard at all to be honest. Generate random numbers, use them as coords on the canvas, do the same with colours and what have you. It's not too impressive, but the effect is fantastic.

Well, there's more to it than that. You've gotta direct along which path the coords are going, make sure things aren't overlapping too much, etc ect...I agree it's not super intense coding but getting it to work out elegantly takes a little effort. Simple and elegant code like his is quite beautiful.

just simulacra

01-16-2006, 02:18 PM

3 5 2 5 5 1 5 5

Riffage.

c e b e e a e e

Sounds good to me.

hanger25934

01-16-2006, 03:17 PM

oh wow another happy birthday shoutout. thanks for the "news" blair

zenkinet

01-16-2006, 07:24 PM

oh wow another happy birthday shoutout. thanks for the "news" blair
its my birthday next

Goldfoot

01-17-2006, 12:14 AM

Holy fuck. I can't believe today's update.

death_2_usa

01-17-2006, 12:46 AM

sadly i understood every word of it...

Goldfoot

01-17-2006, 12:47 AM

sadly i understood every word of it...

But that only leaves one day left for a real update...........and if we don't get one.........OH NO THE NOBS LIED!!!!!!!!

death_2_usa

01-17-2006, 12:51 AM

*fingers crossed for a newsletter with ALLLLLLL the information*

Goldfoot

01-17-2006, 12:52 AM

Any real information will be put on the main page, not in the newsletter.

death_2_usa

01-17-2006, 12:54 AM

true true, unless blair disguises it in amongst his ramlings... that seems alot more likely to me

Goldfoot

01-17-2006, 12:57 AM

Well yeah, but not like we can understand what kookaburra means to him.

Ryan

01-17-2006, 01:24 AM

Well yeah, but not like we can understand what kookaburra means to him.

i laughed.

zenkinet

01-17-2006, 03:45 AM

From what I know of Tool, from the past, is that they never seem to release information when we all expect it, usually they release it when we least expect it, so my predictions are that no newsletter will be released today, maybe a news post but nothing more.

On the other hand I would love to be wrong.

Foamy

01-17-2006, 04:10 AM

Well, there's more to it than that. You've gotta direct along which path the coords are going, make sure things aren't overlapping too much, etc ect...I agree it's not super intense coding but getting it to work out elegantly takes a little effort. Simple and elegant code like his is quite beautiful.
I'll show you how easy it is by making something similer myself, and I dont even know Action Code yet.

*learns it*

Ktuluvic

01-17-2006, 04:28 AM

I wish I could learn ActionScript that quickly.....will you learn me Foamy?

Foamy

01-17-2006, 04:44 AM

LAWL. Im going to go home and learn it tonight. It looks easy. I bet you £10 I can make a Joshua Davis type script.

gerbil

01-17-2006, 05:21 AM

LAWL. Im going to go home and learn it tonight. It looks easy. I bet you £10 I can make a Joshua Davis type script.

If you know java, you already know most of Action Script.

That being said, I suck at Action Scripting.

Christoff

01-17-2006, 05:48 AM

Why is January 17th predicted as a date of significance regarding TOOL news?

On January 17, 1917, at the age of 65, Berenger Sauniere, the priest of Rennes-le-Chateau, suffered a major stroke. Besides the suspicious date, what made the priest’s sudden stroke even more mysterious was that only a few days earlier many of his parishioners remarked that he seemed to be in an enviable state of health for a man his age (and yet, despite appearing to be in good health it was later discovered that his coffin had been ordered 5 days previously)...

From dannycarey.org

Michael Myers

01-17-2006, 06:02 AM

Nebel

01-17-2006, 06:11 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ADAM!
And we're all having a shot of absinthe in honor of the occasion (I'm still working on that stuffed puffin, but a secret burger from Firefly might have to suffice). CHEERS! from all your friends and the entire Tool family, and even some denizens from stranger realms of existence who drink ehtnisba. We hope you're having a great one with Camella at your hideaway, and aren't you fortunate that the birthday happened to fall on a Sunday, the one day the band takes off from their studio chores. Have fun, but remember that Salma will be dancing again tomorrow (in fact, I'll bet Joe's in there right now watching her by himself.) Alright, who's next... Ah, Sasha. Time to fire up the barbie... meat pies, obvious as a pimple on a pumpkin!

...anyone notice how the last part of this has changed....time to fire up the the barbie...meat pies, obvious as a pimple on a pumpkin! when i first read this on toolarmy, the last sentence wasnt there

Wow, good spot, you're right!

Before it was...

"HAPPY BIRTHDAY ADAM!

And we're all having a shot of absinthe in honor of the occasion (I'm still working on that stuffed puffin, but a secret burger from Firefly might have to suffice). CHEERS! from all your friends and the entire Tool family, and even some denizens from stranger realms of existence who drink ehtnisba. We hope you're having a great one with Camella at your hideaway, and aren't you fortunate that the birthday happened to fall on a Sunday, the one day the band takes off from their studio chores. Have fun, but remember that Salma will be dancing again tomorrow (in fact, I'll bet Joe's in there right now watching her by himself.) Okay, I've gotta go, cuz your not the only one who wants to party tonight."

And if you remember this last line from the October newsletter:-

Halloween Barbie™ says hopefully there will be something in the pumpkin patch soon.

Could that changed paragraph hint that something's up?

Foamy

01-17-2006, 06:31 AM

How long did it take him to edit that? If it was fairly soon after it could have just been something he forgot to put on the first time around.

Nebel

01-17-2006, 06:32 AM

How long did it take him to edit that? If it was fairly soon after it could have just been something he forgot to put on the first time around.

He either edited it on January 16th (Sasha's bday) or today, but it was definitely not updated on the 15th, I recall.

gerbil

01-17-2006, 06:33 AM

How long did it take him to edit that? If it was fairly soon after it could have just been something he forgot to put on the first time around.

I think Blair plans this stuff fairly well, so I don't think he's in the habit of just forgetting stuff.

Foamy

01-17-2006, 06:37 AM

I think Blair plans this stuff fairly well, so I don't think he's in the habit of just forgetting stuff.
Yeah you're right...plus I just remembered that "Barbie says there will be something in the pumpkin patch." or something along those lines. I take it back.

Michael Myers

01-17-2006, 06:41 AM

....something fishy is going on

Ryan

01-17-2006, 06:51 AM

omg new single called pumpkin patch barbie!1

orange.juice

01-17-2006, 07:23 AM

Simple and elegant code like his is quite beautiful.

I´d say that simple and elegant code like his is quite helpful, beautiful is different though. IMO Josh Davis sucks at drawing, and as long as he keeps having that moron wife who doesn´t let him practise when he wants to, he won´t get better.

Tool should hire someone a little more talented, who shares their interests in mythic symbolism and who absolutely digs this band. Someone that at least half-way lives up to Tool´s music with his work. Can´t be too hard to find.

Foamy

01-17-2006, 08:33 AM

I´d say that simple and elegant code like his is quite helpful, beautiful is different though. IMO Josh Davis sucks at drawing, and as long as he keeps having that moron wife who doesn´t let him practise when he wants to, he won´t get better.

Tool should hire someone a little more talented, who shares their interests in mythic symbolism and who absolutely digs this band. Someone that at least half-way lives up to Tool´s music with his work. Can´t be too hard to find.
Being able to draw isn't the issue here, I dont know many website designers that can. Thats all Joshua Davis is, a website designer. Website design is an art, so I guess you can call him an artist. All TOOL hired him to do was their website but after seeing his work and liking it they decided they wanted to use it for other things (possibly). His logo is great, Im sure nobody will denie that. And if you look at the flash intro screen he made Im sure you wont disagree that it's pretty "toolish".

TurdEye13

01-17-2006, 08:46 AM

....something fishy is going on

That is usually the case with Tool

Foamy

01-17-2006, 08:55 AM

....something fishy is going on
Pumpkin Patch Barbie needs to use Fem Fresh on her lady garden.

Michael Myers

01-17-2006, 09:12 AM

Pumpkin Patch Barbie needs to use Fem Fresh on her lady garden.

agreed....that pussy would gag a maggot on a gut wagon

Odibilëph

01-17-2006, 09:32 AM

agreed....that pussy would gag a maggot on a gut wagon
!

endokrin

01-17-2006, 10:40 AM

That was a cool presentation.. it's always cool to see behind the scenes when it comes to TOOL...I think Halloween Barbie has been hanging out near their toilet.

SpiralOutKeepGoing

01-17-2006, 11:43 AM

Perhaps his clue is as obvious as a pimple on a pumpkin Pie?

DirtyBanana

01-17-2006, 12:38 PM

this is so exciting i got to pee

zenkinet

01-17-2006, 04:16 PM

I think if Tool continues to use the meso-american visuals during this musical era, it would be extremely cool, the aztec culture especially.
Not only could it have a connection with spirituality, it also has a connections to extraterrestrials, the mystery of the worldwide structure the pyramid, and not to mention the evil looking monsters and gods the culture possesses. Also the culture has a strong geometric sense of aesthetics.

Ryan

01-17-2006, 10:34 PM

you know, before we know it the new website will launch, there'll be a whole new multimedia section, whole new album sample layout and we'll forget what the old one ever looked like.

fraz

01-17-2006, 10:45 PM

i have caved into peer pressure and become and cat.... long live the tool cat navy

Ryan

01-17-2006, 10:46 PM

you get my seal of approval.

Goldfoot

02-01-2006, 01:22 PM

11 Jan 06
FROM DUSK ‘TILL DAWN

Those of you who purchased the DVD singles for Schism and/or Parabol(a) will have noticed an orange sticker affixed to the packaging announcing that TOOL would be releasing a new record sometime in the Spring of 2006. From all indications, this is where things still stand – a Spring 2006 release (although, despite what you might have read on other sites, it won’t be in March). In fact, in talking with the guys the other day, we calculated that Salma will probably do her little nightclub snake-dance at least three thousand more times as they put the finishing touches on the mixing of the new recording (segues, voice overs, effects, etc.).

And then some of the people here tried this on their own.....

oh i just tried calculating the amount of days that Tool will remain to finish the album, with the Salma Hayek dance scene, its approximately 16 days.

12(hours) x 60(minutes) = 720(minutes in a work day)
720 ÷ 4(minutes[length of dance]) = 180(dances per day)
3000(estimated amount of dances left) ÷ 180(dances per day) = 16.6 days?
hmmm that can't be right can it?

If you don't count any Sunday except the 29th, it took 16 days to finish since Blair said that they worked on it 6 days a week.

He gave us a bunch of shit that was right. Wow.