Descartes and the third eye theory

[normz]

Ok atm im into philosophy and i was reading some of the work of Rene Descartes a European Philosopher(1596-1650) and he has an interesting theory about our 3rd Eye. Descartes was very interested in the relationship between the body and mind and he beleived that all animals are machines. But humans are exceptions, they have a human body which is a perfect machine and which automatically eats, breathes, hears, etc etc. But that man aslo has a mind which opperates independantly of the body, this is what makes us reason and have thoguths and dreams etc etc. Our bodies have laws of their own to which they must adhere. Interaction between mind and body is linked by the pineal gland, Yes ladies and gentlemen that just so happens to be your "Third Eye" in other words. This third eye is what helps relate our feeligns and passions to bodily needs. Could prying open your third eye in a way mean getting your body to be more in touch with your feelings? Having complete control of yourself with your mind and moving away from the automation of the body? A state of midn in which you have complete body control, its hard to comprehend but it is an interesting thought oh well peace out

Normz

[the C]

good man. now we're getting somewhere. if you stay on that path good things can happen. you should read "the psycadelic experience" by doctor Timothy Leary and other ph.d's.the book as a whole isn't the best, but it has some very relevant points that might help put some things in perspective.

[SparklingOpiate]

I'm very impressed that someone knows their philosophy. I was actually just thinking of this same relation last week. But there are many many theories on the tie between mind and body, known as the Mind - Body Problem in philosophy and psychology. I have heard of the pineal gland in relation to the third eye, seat of the soul, place of connection b/w mind and body many many times in many different contexts...glad someone brought out the idea.

[normz]

Ok i was a lil bit worried i had over simplified it a lil but yeah thanx. Oh and thankz also for the reading suggestion the C I'll add it to my must read list lol. May I just say also that I'm only 16 so i still have ages to ponder on these things and read lotsa books.

[seeker]

good age to start... you may be ahead of your crowd, though you shouldn't let that get to your brain.

descartes had some very insightful thoughts on all sorts of things... one of my personal favorites is the phrase "cogito, ergo sum"--i think, therefore i am.

[SparklingOpiate]

Just to go off on a little tangent with the "I think therefore I am" quote, that was this conclusion in using a former philosophers (Montaigne) skepticism to arrive at rationalism. Descartes started by truly doubting and denying the existance of everything including God but then he arrives at one thing that he cannot doubt, he knows that he is doubting, therefore if he is doubting,he is thinking and if he is thinking he is a thinker, which is where he arrives as "Cogito ergo sum" and he then provides a great argument against skepticism....for those who don't know the point of that quote.

[normz]

aww man so nice to have a real intelligent conversation for once. Seeker dont worry too much bout me bein a lil stuck up i always act liek a stupid little blonde lol but the moment a good opurtunity comes up i bring out all the quotes in latin lol and shock every1 lol I think that a lot of philosophy is able to be applied to tool songs, but then again it can be applied to everything lol. Oh also wondering any one else have any reading suggestions?

peace out stay cool

normz

[dawn]

Descartes was a physisist and was initially responsible for the Laws of Motion that we attest to today. Newton was merely the first to document it.

[SparklingOpiate]

"Back in the olden days" or, you kno, whatever....anyhow back in time there was no difference in science...philosophers pretty much were your all around scientist....they philosophized, did observations, etc etc etc....philosophy is the science that most of todays actual sciences grew out of...for example psychology has a huge building upon phil. and so on and so forth...so yea it would be consistant w/ shit that Descartes as well as other philosophers worked in what we would consider totally seperate fields today....just more of my stupid fyi knowledge....

[dawn]

Celestine prophecy...AWSOME book

[jpmanson]

Originally posted by grrrl
Celestine prophecy...AWSOME book

i couldnt agree more.. but i would advise that you read "the teachings of don juan: a yaqui way of knowledge" and all the subsequent books by carlos castaneda..

[dawn]

Just about anything from Mary Summer Rain is good. She is of the Native American persuasion. She has alot of good insight.

[jpmanson]

re3ally? ok, ill check her shit out.. is she one of the 4? carlos was one.. but the others have never been heard from..

[dawn]

What '4' do you speak of?

[jpmanson]

well, if you havent read anything past "journy to ixtlan"

dont bother.. you wouldnt comprehend..

read:

the teacings of don juan: a yaqui way of knowledge
a separqate reality
the jopurny to ixtlan
.
.
.
magical passes
.
the active side of infinaty


those are the most imprtnt.. at least from my "impotent" perspective"

amyway, i know taht you are seeking someting hun..

i think these books may help you on your way..

or so i ope..

anyway, if you dont bring it with you, who will?

sorry, im drunk.. or am i? n ally perhaps? yours and your alone.. go.. go.. search.. find..

[dawn]

Aren't we all seeking?........
Something?

[George Bush Sr.]

Originally posted by grrrl
Just about anything from Mary Summer Rain is good. She is of the Native American persuasion. She has alot of good insight.

she's on the list

http://galileo.spaceports.com/~nafps/twink.html

and she's here

http://iktome.freewebsites.com/offenders.html

seriously, real native americans don't like these people.

[George Bush Sr.]

Originally posted by normz
aww man so nice to have a real intelligent conversation for once. Seeker dont worry too much bout me bein a lil stuck up i always act liek a stupid little blonde lol but the moment a good opurtunity comes up i bring out all the quotes in latin lol and shock every1 lol I think that a lot of philosophy is able to be applied to tool songs, but then again it can be applied to everything lol. Oh also wondering any one else have any reading suggestions?

peace out stay cool

normz


Letter from the Earth: Uncensored Writings by Mark Twain

[jpmanson]

Originally posted by grrrl
Aren't we all seeking?........
Something?

yes.. but, is my search as important as yours?

if it is. perhaps yo should give up what you knw and go on to something else, something that isnt considered "normal"?

hey, who am i to try to influence what you want?

go as your soul tells you..


trust me.. this is your time.. you can always come back and start over//

[dawn]

Why wouldn't Native Americans like her?
she has wonderful ideals. (I think)

[jpmanson]

damn, i missed something.. oh well, i dont thin i really misseed anything.. i have a feeling that the things i have mentiond tansend all htat has been said so far..

[George Bush Sr.]

Real native americans hate the new age shamanism stuff. I just found this out a few days ago. They are making money off of made up teachings. All new age shamanism is garbage. There is no such thing as native american shamanism. Different tribes have petitions and warnings on the internet of these 'plastic shamans.'

[dawn]

I can see the cause for concern with new age philosophy being such the rage, but truth is truth, and she speaks quite a bit of it.

[jpmanson]

im falling.. or something like that.. damn the drugs..

[dawn]

I know not what you speak of

[jpmanson]

thats good..

[johndoe]

If you are all interested in the philosophy of the mind I have a book suggestion: Philosophy of the Mind, by Dale Jacquette, is a good introductory book on the different philosophies regarding the Mind-Body connection. The text is somewhat verbose, but if you can push through it you will get a tremendous amount of knowledge out of it. I had to read it for an introductory philosophy class. Most fascinating was the chapter on AI and the "ghost inside of the machine" dogma. Check it out.

[normz]

Lol wow my reading list has just grown considerably i have read actually quite a few books suggested here but what can i say i am an avid reader and am really into the occult and philosphy and all sorts of crazy stuff lol hmmmm must visit the bookstore on monday .......... keep the suggestions coming

peace out

normz

[George Bush Sr.]

write these down:

the grapes of wrath - john stienbeck

the hiram key - robert lomas, chrisopher knight

uriel's machine - robert lomas, chrisopher knight

anything by jiddu krishnamurti

any book explaining the life of salvador dali

transfigurations - alex grey

sacred mirrors - alex grey

any hunter s. thompson

any p.d. ouspensky

any g.i. gurdjieff

magic without tears - aleister crowley

any jack kerouac or allen ginsberg

legacy of the beast - gerald suster

be sure to checkout the reading list on this site and check out the news on toolband.com for this month

soul on ice - eldridge cleaver

buy them all if possible, become a male hooker to support your book reading habits

used book stores are great, check them before buying new shit

[abefrohmn]

like, I read DeCartes in philosophy and really dug him. You should check out Barcalay's (Bishop of Cloines) dissertation on God. and man, he says your only a mind. It's the basic premise to "The Matrix" and it's several hundred years old.

OK, like this is my conundrum in life. I'm Christian, I believe in God, and a non-material existence. But this is the problem, if we're greater than the sum of our parts, then why is it that brain damage can affect things like object recognition (the man who mistook his wife for his hat) personality (the guy who got the railroad spike through his head) and other stuff that Neurologist have a pretty good track record of explaining. I mean, just because I believe in God, and stuff. I can't ignore what I see in the world that makes sense.

I suppose the Jewish since of our bodies and souls being one makes a little bit of sense in light of this.

I don't know, if anyone can answer this, you'll have put to rest many years of questioning for me.

[George Bush Sr.]

i think about stuff like that to. Like blind people, their lives are totally different from ours. The same thing goes for the deaf and people that are color blind.

there has to be someone that did research related to these things.

it raises a lot of questions, but helen keller managed to be a socialist even though she was deaf, dumb, and blind. she could still choose political beliefs so it may have been possible for her to be very spiritual.

i think i may have to write a book about this someday because i think about these things too much.

[Hogpile]

Hey Bush Sr. I thought I would just add a few books to your list.........

THE ELECTRIC KOOLAID ACID TEST:(don't recall the author but he's well known) This a good book to read if your interested in LSD and how it came to be available in the U.S. It is also interesting if you want to read about an "acid guru" who was against what Timoty Leary stood for. This book is about Jerome Kesey, the starter of the LSD movement in Honda, Ca. (San Francisco) Also the author of One flew over the Coocoo's nest.


FIERCE INVALIDS HOME FROM HOT CLIMATES
SKINNY LEGS AND ALL
ANOTHER ROADSIDE ATTRACTION
OR ANYTHING ELSE BY TOM ROBBINS
This guy is brillant. Philosiphy mixed with humor and loads of examples of why society in general doesn't work. Also provides a nice dosage of shitting on organized religon.

MY IDEA OF FUN
HOW THE DEAD LIVE
THE BULL AND THE COCK
OR ANY OTHER BOOK BY WILL SELF

This guy is an excellent satire author. Some of his books(My Idea of fun for instance) are downright sick. And all of them are full of truth about people: what we're capable of, and how far we fall short.

[George Bush Sr.]

Tom Wolfe wrote the electric kool-aid acid test.

[Hogpile]

Thanks man, I forgot. It was a kick ass book. I recommend it highly.