Schism, one of Tool's simple songs

[saucy]

Schism seems like its tool's less complex songs, but it wins grammy. Most people dont realize tool's ability on there instruments, so they pick the simple song for the grammy.

[UtUmNo1]

This song got a lot of exposure as it is fairly short and dare I say it 'radio friendly'. I can't see The Grudge getting much airplay and hence being nominated for a Glammy.

[ufopancakes]

Schism seems like its tool's less complex songs, but it wins grammy. Most people dont realize tool's ability on there instruments, so they pick the simple song for the grammy.

I think it is unjust to call any of tools songs "simple". Even in the Opiate days when they didn't have nearly as much equiptment at thier disposal, thier song structures were still phenominal, a bit more repeatative than more recent releases, but bad-fucking-ass nontheless

[saucy]

I think it is unjust to call any of tools songs "simple". Even in the Opiate days when they didn't have nearly as much equiptment at thier disposal, thier song structures were still phenominal, a bit more repeatative than more recent releases, but bad-fucking-ass nontheless
i agree with you, but the structure of schism is less complex. To me it seems awkward that schism is there grammy winner and how there other songs are flawless.

[ufopancakes]

i agree with you, but the structure of schism is less complex. To me it seems awkward that schism is there grammy winner and how there other songs are flawless.

Yeah, I can see what you are saying.

I guess Schism is just more easy on the ears of mass media.

[digitaldragon03]

It won the grammy because it was the single.

[placidium]

Schism is not simple at all. It's shorter, and has much more crammed into each bar. It's more complex than The Patient, at least,which is still damn complex by any standards.

[Jimmy Stinkfist]

I don't understand how this song is considered simple. It's in an odd time, it has a drum solo at the end, and it doesn't even follow a simple song structure. i agree with digital dragon, it won a grammy because it was the single, and thats the only tool song people heard all year long.

[pornstarchampion]

Something that is bugging me, was Lateralus nominated for Best Rock Album that year? And if it was, who did end up winning?

[bluefire]

Something that is bugging me, was Lateralus nominated for Best Rock Album that year? And if it was, who did end up winning?

I was interested also, so i took approximately 15 seconds to look it up:

Apparently the grammys has 3 different categories - rock, hard rock, and metal

U2 won all rock awards (rock?)

Linkin Park won Hard Rock song of the year (Hard rock?)

and Tool won metal song of the year and there is no award for metal album, from what i can tell.

EDIT: Schism is not simple. Admit it, if it wasn't the single that everyone knew them by, you would like the song more, and you wouldn't view it as simple.

[Raev'n]

EDIT: Schism is not simple. Admit it, if it wasn't the single that everyone knew them by, you would like the song more, and you wouldn't view it as simple.

So true man. I think it's one of the more complex songs on the album. Even Lateralus isn't as complex but only because Lateralus is easier to grip in terms of what they're trying to achieve with their music.

Can anyone tell me exactly what they did with schism to make the bassline go: 5/8 to 7/8 to 5/8 to 7/8 etc? Cause if you can that would be good.

[TheNothingSong]

Can anyone tell me exactly what they did with schism to make the bassline go: 5/8 to 7/8 to 5/8 to 7/8 etc? Cause if you can that would be good.


Exactly? it speaks for it self.
the first part of the riff is in 5/8
and the second part is in 7/8

ummm
yeah its a confusing bitch.
i try not to think about it.
the important thing is that it adds up to 12 beats so thats why (as well as beeing confusing) it has a beat to it that is obvious.if u tap your hand in time to it you can be in 6. which is easy to understand. try it.

did that make any sense?

[fibonacci420]

This song was released in the wake of 911 and the whole terrorist thing. Maynard was personally shaken to the core as he watched the two towers come crumbling down. Schism pays homage to those who were martyred for the cause of freedom including firemen, soldiers, troops, marines, police officers, and everyday Americans. In fact, he flew to ground zero two days later and laid a wreath upon the rubble to commemorate those lost.

[fibonacci420]

F 2 O

[Navid]

This song was released in the wake of 911 and the whole terrorist thing. Maynard was personally shaken to the core as he watched the two towers come crumbling down. Schism pays homage to those who were martyred for the cause of freedom including firemen, soldiers, troops, marines, police officers, and everyday Americans. In fact, he flew to ground zero two days later and laid a wreath upon the rubble to commemorate those lost.


Yes. I can see you've cracked it. Fantastic that you managed to get into Maynard's head and realise precisely what he meant with the song. I like how you did it without referencing any of the lines of the song and how delightfully air-tight your reasoning is.

[oracle]

Exactly? it speaks for it self.
the first part of the riff is in 5/8
and the second part is in 7/8

ummm
yeah its a confusing bitch.
i try not to think about it.
the important thing is that it adds up to 12 beats so thats why (as well as beeing confusing) it has a beat to it that is obvious.if u tap your hand in time to it you can be in 6. which is easy to understand. try it.

did that make any sense?


That's why the pieces fit. (5/8 & 7/8)

[etaipo]

So, if I may ask, how do you know what time signature a song is in? I have been playing drums for a year and I have no clue. How do you count time signatures? If someone could tell me how in a pretty easy format it would be appreciated.

[pushin]

This song was released in the wake of 911 and the whole terrorist thing. Maynard was personally shaken to the core as he watched the two towers come crumbling down. Schism pays homage to those who were martyred for the cause of freedom including firemen, soldiers, troops, marines, police officers, and everyday Americans. In fact, he flew to ground zero two days later and laid a wreath upon the rubble to commemorate those lost.


I'm going to charitably assume that was a joke. If so, that was slightly amusing.

If not, you do realize that Lateralus was released before 9/11, yes?

[Kurt Russell]

So, if I may ask, how do you know what time signature a song is in? I have been playing drums for a year and I have no clue. How do you count time signatures? If someone could tell me how in a pretty easy format it would be appreciated.


Time signatures are actually a pretty simple concept. Schism, for example, is mainly a 6/4. All that means is that in each measure, there are six 4th notes. You will hear this if you simply count along with the measure. Schism isn't the easiest song to do it to. Try The Grudge. That's in 5/4 and you can very distincly count 5 beats each measure. A time signature like 15/8 (also in Schism) means there are fifteen 8th notes in a measure. And so on.

[etaipo]

Time signatures are actually a pretty simple concept. Schism, for example, is mainly a 6/4. All that means is that in each measure, there are six 4th notes. You will hear this if you simply count along with the measure. Schism isn't the easiest song to do it to. Try The Grudge. That's in 5/4 and you can very distincly count 5 beats each measure. A time signature like 15/8 (also in Schism) means there are fifteen 8th notes in a measure. And so on.


Is the measure just how long the beat is until it repeats? Dont know if that made sense but..like this danny's bass drums are doing this

*=bass drum
+=snare

**+ ** *(opening hihat)+ **+** ***+ (Note: I dont know if he hits the bass drum 2 or 3 times on that last part..cant tell?)

Im not sure if that makes any sense but would that be considered a measure?

[moneyisevil]

umm schism isnt what you would call a "simple" song, any three chord greenday song is what i would call a "simple" song


and....

This song was released in the wake of 911 and the whole terrorist thing. Maynard was personally shaken to the core as he watched the two towers come crumbling down. Schism pays homage to those who were martyred for the cause of freedom including firemen, soldiers, troops, marines, police officers, and everyday Americans. In fact, he flew to ground zero two days later and laid a wreath upon the rubble to commemorate those lost.

1. get me the shit ur smoking
2. you've gotta be kidding me, nuff said

[InertUniformity]

This thread has got me thinking...what is Tools simplest song?

[pushin]

If you're including joke songs, then I would say Maynard's Dick.

[Kurt Russell]

Is the measure just how long the beat is until it repeats? Dont know if that made sense but..like this danny's bass drums are doing this

*=bass drum
+=snare

**+ ** *(opening hihat)+ **+** ***+ (Note: I dont know if he hits the bass drum 2 or 3 times on that last part..cant tell?)

Im not sure if that makes any sense but would that be considered a measure?


Couldn't quite make sense of your tab. But in the time it takes maynard to say "I know the pieces fit", one measure occurs.

[martyr_02]

I would say that Schism is simple in that it is very easy to play, on guitar that is. One of the first songs i ever learned. How i learned it was with the main riff (that's pretty much the whole song) is played with all down strokes, which makes the picking motion kinda like a metranome. What I wouldn't say is that a grammy takes away from Schisms authenticity or credibility. I don't think TOOL wrote Schism with the intention of obtaining a grammy, it just so happens that the rest of the world woke up and realized that TOOL is an awesomely talented band. I would like to say that I give all kinds of respect to TOOL for not letting a grammy "
go to their heads" like so many artists do.

[Kurt Russell]

I would say that Schism is simple in that it is very easy to play, on guitar that is. One of the first songs i ever learned. How i learned it was with the main riff (that's pretty much the whole song) is played with all down strokes, which makes the picking motion kinda like a metranome. What I wouldn't say is that a grammy takes away from Schisms authenticity or credibility. I don't think TOOL wrote Schism with the intention of obtaining a grammy, it just so happens that the rest of the world woke up and realized that TOOL is an awesomely talented band. I would like to say that I give all kinds of respect to TOOL for not letting a grammy "
go to their heads" like so many artists do.
Why did you write "Tool" in all caps?