Second Coming

[spiralion]

What if this album is about the second coming of Jesus Christ and his meeting with the Anti-Christ?

[TheHolyGift]

It's ok. Take your time.

EXPLAIN PLEASE!

[Disgustipating]

What if this album is about the second coming of Jesus Christ and his meeting with the Anti-Christ?

if that were true, than the lyrics to this album would have to be different

[Merkabæ]

Why is that?

[paraflux]

What if this album is about cooking up some fresh biscuits and white gravy?

[Merkabæ]

What if this album is about the book The Stand by Stephen King?

That would kick ass... and it might be remotely possible. Well, at lease the two works synchronizing.

[MrMcPheezy]

What if this album is about the second coming of Jesus Christ and his meeting with the Anti-Christ?


What if you shut the fuck up?

[vic1torious]

turning and turning in the widening gyre
the falcon cannot hear the falconer
things fall apart, the center cannot hold
mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
the blood-dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere
the ceremony of innocence is drowned
the best lack all conviction while the worst
are full of passionate intensity

surely some revelation is at hand
surely the second coming is at hand
the second coming, hardly are those words out
when a vast image out of spiritus mundi
troubles my site: somewhere in sands of the desert
a shape with lion body and the head of a man
a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun
is moving it's slow thighs while all about it
reel shadows of the indignant desert birds
the darkness drops again, but now i know
that 20 centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
and what rough beast, it's hour come round at last
slouches towards bethelhem to be born?

[MrMcPheezy]

turning and turning in the widening gyre
the falcon cannot hear the falconer
things fall apart, the center cannot hold
mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
the blood-dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere
the ceremony of innocence is drowned
the best lack all conviction while the worst
are full of passionate intensity

surely some revelation is at hand
surely the second coming is at hand
the second coming, hardly are those words out
when a vast image out of spiritus mundi
troubles my site: somewhere in sands of the desert
a shape with lion body and the head of a man
a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun
is moving it's slow thighs while all about it
reel shadows of the indignant desert birds
the darkness drops again, but now i know
that 20 centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
and what rough beast, it's hour come round at last
slouches towards bethelhem to be born?

what?

[paraflux]

I thought it was pretty cool. I would like to know where it is from.

[UtUmNo1]

What if its not?

[5th Eye]

What if this album is about the book The Stand by Stephen King?I doubt it, yet that's an amazing book. The uncut edition is so freaking long.

[UtUmNo1]

What if its based on Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came?

[5th Eye]

I haven't read that, but the Dark Tower series is excellent so far. I need to read the last three or so.

[UtUmNo1]

Its the poem that inspired King to write the Dark Tower. It was an appendix to my volume of part 7: The Dark Tower.

You wanna know what happens?

[5th Eye]

No, but I'm going to assume he reaches the Tower at the end, cosidering the title and cover of the last book.

[paraflux]

No, but I'm going to assume he reaches the Tower at the end, cosidering the title and cover of the last book.

Never assume anything with King. Trust me.

[5th Eye]

Yeah, I've learned that; I've read most of his books. But still...it seems like that would happen. Am I not right?

[UtUmNo1]

I wouldn't ruin it for you but the end has an awesome twist. All I 'll say is this,

"The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed."

[5th Eye]

Ah...

I'll have to go read it now. I only finished the fourth one, "Wizard and Glass", and it was a long time ago; he finished the last three really really fast. I hope the rush didn't inhibit quality.

[PseudoSX]

Never assume anything with King. Trust me.

I feel bad for the poor guy. He really wanted to write the great American novel, but Four Seasons just never quite cut it. And he was just too young to say no to his publicist. I think though, anymore, you could assume a lot with King. Like his next book will be trite with a predictable plot and boring characters.

[UtUmNo1]

The Dark Tower series is worth the time it takes to read seven novels. No question.

[5th Eye]

I should get like a box set or something. My library sucks and doesn't have them all.

[paraflux]

I wouldn't ruin it for you but the end has an awesome twist. All I 'll say is this,

"The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed."


I thought you said you wouldnt ruin it. Heh.

[5th Eye]

That didn't. He probably uses that line a lot; at least he did in the first four books.

[Hogpile]

Fuck the Dark Tower series. Pussyass LOTR ripoff.

[paraflux]

Fuck the Dark Tower series. Pussyass LOTR ripoff.

You gotta be shitting me.

[Hogpile]

You gotta be shitting me.

I'm not. I got halfway into the 3rd book, and realized what an outright ripoff of LOTR it is.

[5th Eye]

A bit...but it's more diverse, sort of, more abstract.

[paraflux]

I dont see a correlation at all.

1) You dont really know what needs to be done at the Tower like you know the ring has to be destroyed in the fires of Mordor.

2) Tolkein created his own world, King used dimensions of this one.

3) Roland is a complete badass in the beginning, and suffers horrible shit happening to him, one right after the other. How many authors will completely make their hero suffer like that? Two fucking fingers on his right hand were bitten off, and it happened so quickly that I had to pu tthe book down to absorb the fact that a gunslinger would not have the use of one of his hands for the remainder of the trip. This was at the beginning of the second book. The very beginning. Aragorn, Frodo, go through trials and shit but they come out on top and dont suffer nearly as much as Roland does.

4) LOTR was about one time, one dimension. The Dark Tower spans several time periods and several dimensions and dimensional jumps.

The goal isnt even the same. Dark Tower, there is no real "good" vs. "evil," even though the beams are breaking. Even the Breakers responsible for the damage to the beams arent really held responsible at the end.

[UtUmNo1]

The only connection is that King wanted the Dark Tower to be his 'Lord of the Rings'. An epic tale that would capture the imagination.
In that it succeeds.

[vic1torious]

my post was the william butler yeats poem "the second coming" for anyone who wanted to know

[5th Eye]

Paraflux - That's what I meant. Good post by the way.

[Hogpile]

I dont see a correlation at all.

1) You dont really know what needs to be done at the Tower like you know the ring has to be destroyed in the fires of Mordor.

2) Tolkein created his own world, King used dimensions of this one.

3) Roland is a complete badass in the beginning, and suffers horrible shit happening to him, one right after the other. How many authors will completely make their hero suffer like that? Two fucking fingers on his right hand were bitten off, and it happened so quickly that I had to pu tthe book down to absorb the fact that a gunslinger would not have the use of one of his hands for the remainder of the trip. This was at the beginning of the second book. The very beginning. Aragorn, Frodo, go through trials and shit but they come out on top and dont suffer nearly as much as Roland does.

4) LOTR was about one time, one dimension. The Dark Tower spans several time periods and several dimensions and dimensional jumps.

The goal isnt even the same. Dark Tower, there is no real "good" vs. "evil," even though the beams are breaking. Even the Breakers responsible for the damage to the beams arent really held responsible at the end.

If you don't see a correlation, then you obviously haven't read King's own explanation of where the whole theme and character plots come from. He even says in a "foreward by the author" that he started the Dark Tower when he was like 19 out of complete admiration for LOTR. He even admits that he had to put the project on hold, and go back and change a lot of where he was going with his story, because it was almost a direct rip-off.

Regardless of what he claims, I think he failed. I grew up with LOTR. I know those books backwards and forwards, and the similarities between those books and the Dark Tower series are almost infuriating to me. To each his own though. You like those books, that's fine. Personally, I prefer work inspired by originality.

I could go into all the similarities, etc between the two, but I don't feel like doing it again. Do a search on Dark Tower, or my username, and you'll see I already made a thread about this.

[paraflux]

If you don't see a correlation, then you obviously haven't read King's own explanation of where the whole theme and character plots come from. He even says in a "foreward by the author" that he started the Dark Tower when he was like 19 out of complete admiration for LOTR. He even admits that he had to put the project on hold, and go back and change a lot of where he was going with his story, because it was almost a direct rip-off.

Regardless of what he claims, I think he failed. I grew up with LOTR. I know those books backwards and forwards, and the similarities between those books and the Dark Tower series are almost infuriating to me. To each his own though. You like those books, that's fine. Personally, I prefer work inspired by originality.

I could go into all the similarities, etc between the two, but I don't feel like doing it again. Do a search on Dark Tower, or my username, and you'll see I already made a thread about this.

Not that I appreciate your implications that I or others do not like work inspired by originality, but I can see your point.

[Hogpile]

Not that I appreciate your implications that I or others do not like work inspired by originality, but I can see your point.

I wasn't making implications. I was flat out saying it. King himself admits that the work doesn't spring from originality. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of King. Just not the Dark Tower. I think The Stand is much better.

Hogpile, you like LOTR? You do realize it was written by a Catholic, don't you?

That doesn't matter to me. Tolkien was a genius. He didnt' just write those books. He invented a whole world. Cultures, races, history, languages, and in depth characters. I mean hell, he invented working languages for the shit. That's pretty admirable.

[UtUmNo1]

Hoagy, I agree on few points and disagree on others.

Yes, Tolkien was a genius. He created an immense world that has not been rivalled by thousands of wannabe authors over the last 50 odd years. He has no parallel or peer in this field.

There are many similarities between the two stories; The idea of the quest, the close teams, the development of relationships, the ultimate goal etc. The one and most important distinction (mentioned by paraflux above) is that LOTR is ultimately a story of 'good vs evil' while DT is not.

King was inspired by JRR and LOTR in many ways and he says so in the preface to all of the novels. He wanted to create his own LOTR or War and Peace. Essentially a long tale that would enthrall audiences and capture the imagination of a generation.

His inspiration for the tale itself though is (as he also states) the poem, 'Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came'. If you haven't read it, do so. It appears in the final volume of DT.

There is nothing wrong with inspiration and although there may be a few rather vague similarities (on a conceptual level. If there are other significant issues please detail them) the two stories stand alone. One as the greatest story of fantasy/fiction ever written (only selling less copies than the bible) and the other as a very substantial novel in contemporary literature, and in my opinion one of the best I have read in the last ten years. . .

[Hogpile]

Hoagy, I agree on few points and disagree on others.

Yes, Tolkien was a genius. He created an immense world that has not been rivalled by thousands of wannabe authors over the last 50 odd years. He has no parallel or peer in this field.

There are many similarities between the two stories; The idea of the quest, the close teams, the development of relationships, the ultimate goal etc. The one and most important distinction (mentioned by paraflux above) is that LOTR is ultimately a story of 'good vs evil' while DT is not.

King was inspired by JRR and LOTR in many ways and he says so in the preface to all of the novels. He wanted to create his own LOTR or War and Peace. Essentially a long tale that would enthrall audiences and capture the imagination of a generation.

His inspiration for the tale itself though is (as he also states) the poem, 'Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came'. If you haven't read it, do so. It appears in the final volume of DT.

There is nothing wrong with inspiration and although there may be a few rather vague similarities (on a conceptual level. If there are other significant issues please detail them) the two stories stand alone. One as the greatest story of fantasy/fiction ever written (only selling less copies than the bible) and the other as a very substantial novel in contemporary literature, and in my opinion one of the best I have read in the last ten years. . .

I agree, that inspiration isn't a bad quality. However, to me, the Dark Tower is just too similar to LOTR and more so than most fans of that series would like to admit. I list quite a few of those similarities in this thread, if your interested:

http://www.toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=17225&highlight=Dark+Tower

I think King is a genius. I actually like him more than Tolkien at some level. The LOTR trilogy, and The Hobbit, are really the only works by Tolkien that I love. King however, has many books that I would call works of genius, especially his short stories. The Dark Tower series is just not one of those works of genius, in my opinion.

[UtUmNo1]

I read the link and I do see your point. Its is not enough for me to rag on DT though as I think it is an excellent story albeit with similarities to LOTR.

We'll just say that both King and Tolkien are geniuses in their own fields :)

[Hogpile]

We'll just say that both King and Tolkien are geniuses in their own fields :)

Fair enough. And true.

[Perseensilmä]

What if this album is about the second coming of Jesus Christ and his meeting with the Anti-Christ?

Then we are all doomed! Run for your life! Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgh!