The Grudge Scream... [Archive] - The Tool Page: Opinion

Windir

03-08-2004, 02:41 AM

Then you never listened closely to what they sing...

Anyway... I don't think it is the longest scream ever, cause we've been over this a couple of times and I'm almost sure that people said there was some song where some dude screamed longer then Maynard did.

If you guys sing along with Tool (which most of you do), then you will be able to scream the same length as Maynard did.
Practice :Þ

Yeah...

stalkingbutler

03-08-2004, 09:42 AM

If you guys sing along with Tool (which most of you do), then you will be able to scream the same length as Maynard did.
Practice :Þ

Yeah...

Yeah if you have the lung capacity of a ..... uhhhhh......... person with a large lung capacity.

Windir

03-08-2004, 09:51 AM

Well, I think my lungs are pretty big... maybe huge...
Or... at least, they aren't small... or little... or something...

stalkingbutler

03-08-2004, 09:56 AM

Yeah but can you actually scream full on, at a loud volume for thirty seconds, if you can you're a better man than I.

Windir

03-08-2004, 09:59 AM

I have tried it when I sang along with The Grudge...
And to be honoust, yes... I made it a couple of times... not all the time though.

stalkingbutler

03-08-2004, 10:04 AM

I have tried it when I sang along with The Grudge...
And to be honoust, yes... I made it a couple of times... not all the time though.

How?

Windir

03-08-2004, 10:06 AM

Well... just relax your body...
Take a deeeeeep breathe...
And scream your lungs out...

That's all... piece of cake!

stalkingbutler

03-08-2004, 03:15 PM

But if it is actually that easy, why does the scream astound so many?

APT

03-08-2004, 03:22 PM

No way you can scream at the top of your lungs for a full 30 seconds.

lilli

03-08-2004, 04:29 PM

I doubt the scream is real, his vocals are mixed as fu*k, in some live bootlegs he sounds awful.

If you filled your lungs to their full capacity you could stand inside them, it's your ribs and organs that get in the way. Take your ribs out and you could scream more, you can all give yourselves head too.

holy reality

03-08-2004, 04:53 PM

yeah he has a sustainer and flange on his voice as well as possibly distortion... but i honestly thing he DOES scream that long, he just relies heavily on the effects to make it sound pretty...

because I mean try screaming, your voice goes AAAAAAAaaaaa-a-a-AAaaAAAaAaa... and there are lots of gaps and cracks and such so you know it would smooth all that shit out.

plus listen to his live APC screams, namely the outsider... fucking great.... at least half as long as the grudge they seemed to me... and a lot less effects, so I think he can usually do the grudge scream, just not necessarily very well, and it's got to be hard on the throat, hence the fx etc...

minusjason

03-08-2004, 05:26 PM

I wasn't doing it along with the song, but I once screamed, like, a nu-metal-type scream or whatever, for 29 seconds. I was physically sick after doing it; my face itched on the inside and my head was pounding. I'm somewhat of a vocalist... I'm not in a professional band currently but I play and sing all the time.

I guess my point is, it can be done.

I wish I could get Maynard's awesome tone.

lilli

03-08-2004, 05:30 PM

Were you dizzy after? It would make me dizzy, shouldn't try it now though, don't want to be sacked.

Phlame

03-08-2004, 07:14 PM

that shit is hard because unlike holding your breath, you are screaming it rapidly. i think that someone here said it was like 31 or 41 seconds, thats pretty damn hefty.

maynard has always had that scream.. i love the octave it is in

Misanthrope

03-08-2004, 07:24 PM

Tomahawk - Bird Song.

Get it, wait for the finale. Tomahawk pwns.

Windir

03-09-2004, 01:57 AM

But if it is actually that easy, why does the scream astound so many?

For me it's easy...
I've been like singing along with Tool for ever and like you said... maybe I have big lungs.

No way you can scream at the top of your lungs for a full 30 seconds.

I can actually... no kidding!

SadSummerSea

03-09-2004, 06:47 AM

try CHEVELLE

.. ok thats not funny.

If you like good screams get some Meshuggah. That guy has the pronounciation of a GOD.

Flojob

03-09-2004, 06:56 AM

If you like good screams get some Meshuggah. That guy has the pronounciation of a GOD.
Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere. that is a good screaming voice.

i wish Jens Kidman was my best friend and spoke to me like he sings.

Dirty Sanchez

03-09-2004, 06:58 AM

try CHEVELLE

.. ok thats not funny.

If you like good screams get some Meshuggah. That guy has the pronounciation of a GOD.

That's because he's swedish.

SadSummerSea

03-09-2004, 07:14 AM

Hah, yah but when he talks in Swedish he seems like such an innocent little man. Those eyes are like puppy dogs! Can you scream like that, Sanch?

Flowjob, my boyfriend recently shaved his head and looked exactly like him. I kept on calling him Jens and getting him to do the Rational Gaze stance. He hated me, hah.

Dirty Sanchez

03-09-2004, 07:19 AM

Hah, yah but when he talks in Swedish he seems like such an innocent little man. Those eyes are like puppy dogs! Can you scream like that, Sanch?

No way, especially not now since my throat is so fucked.

Windir

03-09-2004, 11:28 AM

If you like good screams get some Meshuggah. That guy has the pronounciation of a GOD.

Yeah yeah.
Meshuggah is tah BoMb.

stalkingbutler

03-09-2004, 04:39 PM

It pisses me right off, I can sing, but as for screaming my voice just turns into a cackle.

Dispoflectional

03-09-2004, 05:23 PM

Yeah yeah.
Meshuggah is tah BoMb.

They are ok... but what is with the lead singers backwards headbang thing? kinda random.

Windir

03-10-2004, 02:04 AM

They are ok... but what is with the lead singers backwards headbang thing? kinda random.

Who cares... they are tah BoMb!

SadSummerSea

03-10-2004, 08:45 AM

They are ok... but what is with the lead singers backwards headbang thing? kinda random.

Have you seen the Rational Gaze video?

Dispoflectional

03-10-2004, 12:27 PM

Not that I'm aware of.

SadSummerSea

03-10-2004, 12:37 PM

http://mreff.no-ip.biz/claire/two

if you are so inclined.

Dispoflectional

03-10-2004, 12:42 PM

404 URL Not Found!

SadSummerSea

03-10-2004, 01:09 PM

.. my apologies

http://mreff.no-ip.biz/claire/1mp3/two/

Dispoflectional

03-10-2004, 01:58 PM

Woah... That was pretty trippy.

Thanks.

Windir

03-11-2004, 01:12 AM

*waits for download to end*

TheAbstraction

03-14-2004, 02:02 AM

thanks misanthrope, that tomahawk song is sweet. but i dont think the yell is better than the grudge one, the grudge one has more aggression and is a bit longer i think. but cheers for telling me, at least now i know that this real long yell thing isnt a new thing. its not new but it will never get old :) unless all numetal groups do it :P i havent finished downloading the meshuggah song yet so ill see how that goes when i get it

Skinshifter01

03-14-2004, 02:09 PM

I saw APC live once...and Maynard did the scream at the end of Judith and held it out like three times as long as he does on the album...he was screaming for nigh...nye...nie...on a minute. It was wonderful. But then again, after the song he seemed kinda dazed.

Windir

03-14-2004, 02:12 PM

*waits for download to end*

I'm still waiting... but I think I'm going to cancel it.

idontmind462

03-14-2004, 03:12 PM

It's definitely real. He nailed 27 seconds when I saw them live.

TheAbstraction

03-15-2004, 12:03 AM

yeah the concert tool did in south australia, maynard held it in for at least 25 seconds. it says at their setlist site aswell, it says The Grudge with the scream. something like that.

TheAbstraction

03-15-2004, 12:05 AM

by the way at the apc concert maynard held lots of screams for longer than the album versions of the songs, was fucking nice.

faaipdeoiad

03-16-2004, 06:38 PM

*practices his MJK scream*

Windir

03-17-2004, 06:37 AM

Do you have a voice like MJK?!

SadSummerSea

03-17-2004, 07:15 AM

I can pull off the 'Hush' FUCK YOU like nobody else can.

theotherlight

03-17-2004, 07:52 AM

I've been told I can mimick that random scream from Third Eye (you know... that one... he doesn't say anything, and he uses his hand over his mouth to make it sound cool) pretty well. I should record myself doing it one time, haha

I can pull off the 'Hush' FUCK YOU like nobody else can.

That's seriously really awesome, I love that!

supersonic2006

04-04-2004, 07:24 PM

I wonder if they turn up his mic during the grudge scream, because if you don't use as much air and don't do it really loud it's not all that hard, but at that volume... man. it's pretty awesome though.

.TP

04-04-2004, 07:35 PM

It pisses me right off, I can sing, but as for screaming my voice just turns into a cackle.

same fucking shit happens to me, it´s so frustrating.

.TP

04-04-2004, 07:38 PM

Do you have a voice like MJK?!

dunno bout him, but i for one can sing like MJK (without the serious screaming)

i mean, singing, like the beggining of H, or any APC song(soft ones), or some Tool song like lateralus or the patient i can sing with no prob, many ppl have heard me and told me that i actually really sound like maynard.

.TP

04-04-2004, 07:40 PM

(ok, last post for this thread, honestly)

and also, my best friend can mimic his exact same movements on stage, is breathtaking.

Windir

04-05-2004, 05:06 AM

i mean, singing, like the beggining of H.

Whoa...

.TP

04-05-2004, 03:33 PM

Whoa...

i think you got the point, so lick my anus.

( if there was no sarcasm intended, then don´t lick it, unless you really really want to.)

Windir

04-06-2004, 10:04 AM

i think you got the point, so lick my anus.

( if there was no sarcasm intended, then don´t lick it, unless you really really want to.)

There was no sarcasm... I was serious.
Singing the H. beginning is really cool (if you can pull it off).

.TP

04-08-2004, 04:30 PM

There was no sarcasm... I was serious.
Singing the H. beginning is really cool (if you can pull it off).

oh, in that case, thank you,

i honestly can pull it off.

(i just get a boner everytime i see your avatar)

whalethesecond

04-08-2004, 10:49 PM

i sing a lot, but i've never had a screaming voice

Windir

04-09-2004, 04:52 AM

oh, in that case, thank you,

i honestly can pull it off.

:), I can do the 30 sec. scream from The Grudge... like I said before.

(i just get a boner everytime i see your avatar)

I change it every now and then, just to keep it exiting...

.TP

04-09-2004, 11:07 AM

:), I can do the 30 sec. scream from The Grudge... like I said before.
.

whoa...

you must have like the biggest pair of lungs, to pull that off.

you must´ve never tasted a cigarrette before.

AllforUnity

04-09-2004, 03:51 PM

l can too.

lt's longer than that.

ÆnimaticEnigma

04-09-2004, 05:20 PM

hmmm, not that i can think of now.
unless slipknot? that is just constant screaming nonense with no meaning though

Screw Slipknot :P

ÆnimaticEnigma

04-09-2004, 05:21 PM

Ænimated, love the Avatar

Windir

04-09-2004, 10:44 PM

whoa...

you must have like the biggest pair of lungs, to pull that off.

you must´ve never tasted a cigarrette before.

Never touched a cigarette... maybe that's why I can do it.
Though... I have very bad lungs... sometimes it's hard for me to breathe, when I ran alot or doing stuff that's intense (it has nothing to do with my condition).

But yeah... the 30 sec sream is kinda easy to pull off.

AllforUnity

04-09-2004, 11:05 PM

l've never touched a cigarette either...but l agree, 30 seconds isn't that hard to pull off.

ÆnimaticEnigma

04-10-2004, 02:33 PM

I timed myself and I can do 26 seconds during Asthma season and I'm 14...

Windir

04-10-2004, 11:42 PM

I timed myself and I can do 26 seconds during Asthma season and I'm 14...

*applauds*

deathoughts

05-04-2004, 03:28 AM

i think slayer or fear factory maybe im not sure...

but it was some crazy death metal band

a dude screams for like 35 seconds.... no effects...

Orph8998

05-04-2004, 01:51 PM

damn, i can't remember the song, i'll post again when i remember it, but there is some maiden song with an incredible screem. he probably had a really clean throat from suckign all that dick though...

3rd Æye

05-08-2004, 09:35 PM

Yeah I went to perfect circle live and when he screamed towards the end of The Outsider it had to be like 30 secs or more it was so awesome i shat myself like 3 times over.

iknowmaynard

05-09-2004, 12:54 AM

listen to the last part in lateralus he's either really good at catching his breath or has monster lungs.

Pierre-Paul

05-12-2004, 08:04 PM

Well, I can do the "Sucker, suck!" in Ticks & leeches, which I agree, is not that hard, since the scream comes off the throath, not down under in the belly.

Raev'n

06-07-2004, 06:01 PM

i mean, singing, like the beggining of H, or any APC song(soft ones), or some Tool song like lateralus or the patient i can sing with no prob, many ppl have heard me and told me that i actually really sound like maynard.

Yeah me too, i can do the scream, just though... I was sitting there waiting for the whole song just building up breath until it came then let loose and got it. We taped it for prosperity... Might upload it at some stage once I change it from VHS to DVD.

Windir

06-08-2004, 09:35 AM

Well, I can do the "Sucker, suck!" in Ticks & leeches, which I agree, is not that hard, since the scream comes off the throath, not down under in the belly.

I can do both.
It's really cool to grunt along with bands like In Flame or Dimmu Borgir.

Windir

06-09-2004, 06:33 AM

Nah... they are a pretty solid band.

Mr Omnipotent

06-24-2004, 01:19 PM

the grudge scream is pretty spactacular but another scream thats pretty long is from CKY- Sporadic Movement ... near the end of the song... he screams for a long period of time

Raev'n

06-26-2004, 04:33 AM

Also MJK holds the last note of jimmy for a fucking long time but his voice just fades into the background...

Lackymacky

07-26-2004, 09:23 PM

yeah its long its really awesome... to me its always meant the giving away of the stone, the pain it causes when youre giving it away......which is why its so long: takes a while to let go of a grudge

post ho

Dubya

07-29-2004, 11:51 AM

Dubya

07-29-2004, 11:53 AM

Whoops. Anyway, I can hold a growl for a good 25 seconds, but thats a bit different. Growls don't require a lot of breath, and it seems a lot easier to hold growls because (at least I) don't use my full lung capacity to growl, while wen you scream, it seems to require more breath. But I'm not a singer. I play drums.

Lackymacky

07-29-2004, 01:43 PM

its really easy to do the scream thing, or maybe its just me, cause i dont scream all that hard, i sort of yell. i figure thats what mjk does, they just put up the volume. maybe im wrong, is he actually yelling?? cause thats hardddddddddddddddddd

John Holland

07-30-2004, 03:43 PM

Is that the longest scream someone has done on a song? if theres something better can i have the name so i can download it

I would'nt call it a scream.

Maynard inspired me to start studying vocal seriously, which is why I'm making this particular call :

There's a technique called "vocal fry", in which you add a raspy "screaming edge" to your voice. You know when you wake up in the morning, and say, "oh, I don't wanna get up out of bed" that sort of voice? Its the only way to add that harsh sound to your voice without injuring it. In this song, and in the end of Judith, and "good, BYYYYYEEEEE" in Eulogy are good examples.

A real "scream" by maynard I would say would be Jerk Off or Ticks and Leeches, where his vocal cords really are clenched all the way and he's just forcing air into them, and the tone becomes distorted. With Maynard's vocal fry, however, his cords sound open and relaxed and his actual tone shines through.

And Maynard is simply better at the vocal fry technique than anyone I've ever heard. Its his trademark.

Devil_DavE

08-26-2004, 02:20 AM

The scream is pretty mad

The music course at school, we use Protools a profesional music mixing program

Some of the things u can do, is with the vocal track, when you do a scream ( or anything else) you can take a note from it and stretch it as long as you want, for example, u can say YEH!, take the voval movements of the E and make it go for a minute.
But TOOl prolly do it naturally, im not sure, it just amazing how well he can keep the exact same note for so long

Chaos Theory

08-27-2004, 02:58 AM

The Grudge scream is the best part of the song. Adam's got that acidic riff going full swing under Maynard, and right before it Justin has a small solo.

Fast Fingers

08-27-2004, 03:58 PM

Cryptopsy - Open Face Surgery. It's the exact same length.

spiralout11235

08-27-2004, 08:30 PM

Maynard's screams usually like fade in if you know what I mean. Like in The Grudge, he held it forever, and it like fades away. I think its really cool. I don't know if its effect or what. But its fucking awesome. The Eulogy scream is long too.

Oeps

08-28-2004, 06:14 AM

I've heard just 1 scream that was much longer.
Iced Earth - Iced Earth with Tim 'the Ripper' Owens on vocals on their last tour; the scream he did was so long I couldn't even believe it. And I wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't on one of their shows. The scream is 32 sec (in winamp; I have the live bootleg)....The scream Maynard holds in The grudge is about 20 sec I thought.
Maynard's scream is real; maybe al little bit remastered to keep te tone so very constant, but that's all

Windir

08-28-2004, 06:26 AM

Dude, you must send me that scream from Iced Earth - I love that band.

J3z3b3L

09-15-2004, 05:38 PM

O.D.H.G.A.B.F.E. - Lamb of God. Alot of could be distortion but he also holds it for a rediculas amount of time.

scummonk

10-13-2004, 05:30 AM

This thread is kinda old.........yer i have heard longer screams,but this still impresses me.

Raev'n

10-13-2004, 03:18 PM

Yeah. Mike Patton has the most amazing vocal range. I have one of his Fantomas CD's but it's just a whol heap of crazy tracks (about 30) and he only speaks like, once and all he does is do crazy sounds with his voice. It's mint as.

exojjl

02-17-2005, 11:47 PM

No way you can scream at the top of your lungs for a full 30 seconds.
24 seconds i counted

naked_but_oblivious

03-04-2005, 08:59 AM

ive tried, but to no avail. he has a damn good lung capacity

5th Eye

03-04-2005, 09:29 AM

It can't be faked; if you listen closely there's some fluctuations in the scream itself so it's not a short scream stretched out. Plus, I've seen vids of him doing it live. Everyone in the audience tried to do it with him; no one got farther than about half of Maynard's screm. It blows me away.

haich

07-23-2005, 12:13 PM

last track on catch 33, new meshuggah album he screams for AGES! TWICE!, wow that song has an awesome riff, and amazing harmonies!

Petary791

07-23-2005, 08:16 PM

The first time I heard that scream, I had to clock it the next time I heard the song. That's insane.

Bill_Hix

07-23-2005, 10:13 PM

I counted 35 seconds I think. My friend was trying to tell me that this singer was really impressive because he held a note for 15 seconds, and during it he went up and down in pitch. So naturally I put in the grudge and show him what the fuck is up.

Kadaver

08-08-2005, 10:15 AM

I haven't heard the Iced Earth or Messugah screams, but I'd recommend to check out Jim Gellette from Nitro. The song Machine Gun Eddie from the album O.F.R. That song was done back in 1994 and judging from the recording he didn't use any effects. Also, he's married to Lita Ford. I think there is a video of him breaking a glass with his voice somewhere too.

Haxpanda

08-09-2005, 07:15 PM

The most insane scream i have ever heard came from Catch 33. On track 12 "Dehumanization" At 2:09 Jens lets off a 14 second scream at an octave that seems to rip between mesurable waves and frequencies. Not as long as The Grudge scream, but far more impressive I think. Ohh he does this twice on this song..damn.
And the last track "Sum" seems to be longer but im guessing it might be lengthned digitally.

Haxpanda

08-09-2005, 07:16 PM

Haxpanda

08-09-2005, 07:18 PM

Bahh Again, the Scream on Sum measusres up to 29 seconds, almost as long as The Grudge Scream

UtUmNo1

08-09-2005, 07:38 PM

I believe the scream is artificially lengthened.

Every time I hear it I try and listen really closely and so this is what I reckon.

I've always loved Tom Araya's scream att he beginning of Angel of Death. Not particularly long but as equally good.

haich

08-10-2005, 12:35 AM

Bahh Again, the Scream on Sum measusres up to 29 seconds, almost as long as The Grudge Scream
eh?!
only counted at least 24....

or were u being sarcastic...

haich

08-10-2005, 12:37 AM