Guided or Mislead?

[PrometheusRising]

Heated altercations we've never had
Imagined interplay
Misleading me over and over
Disembodied voices...
Deepen my suspicious tendencies
Judge, condemn and banish
Any and everyone, without evidence

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"Don't you dare point that at me"
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Judge, condemn and banish
Only the whispers from within
Disembodied voices...Heated altercations...
...Conversations we've never had...
...So I'm told
Yet guided by them all
Every single one

[Inner_Eulogy]

Heated altercations we've never had
Imagined interplay
Misleading me over and over
Disembodied voices...
Deepen my suspicious tendencies
Judge, condemn and banish
Any and everyone, without evidence

/////////////////|||\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
"Don't you dare point that at me"
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|||/////////////////

Judge, condemn and banish
Only the whispers from within
Disembodied voices...Heated altercations...
...Conversations we've never had...
...So I'm told
Yet guided by them all
Every single oneBro, we ALL already have the lyrics. Sit down with your nonsense. If you have something of value then please share.

[gonzo]

Both, guided and mislead.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Both, guided and mislead.Was there an invisible question I'm not seeing? Cause you like, totally answered something nobody asked.

[PrometheusRising]

In case it isn't clear, those lyrics are re-arranged to fit the whole 'Descending/Ascending' theory. Although it was sorta rhetorical / optional, there is a question in the title of this thread.

[PrometheusRising]

If you have something of value then please share.

Ever since hearing this song I've thought about it. I could share a whole lot...whether it'd be valuable really depends on how it's perceived though. Have you ever been guided or mislead by your own Inner_Dialogue? And, more importantly, would you be afraid of sharing it?

[PrometheusRising]

Both, guided and mislead.

It goes with the title of the song. To cull is to kill, for the good of the heard.

[UlyssEEEeeeEEEeees]

This made me think that people seem to be misguided, need someone strong to guide them, words guide into shadows, martyrs are prepared to lead the way throughout Opiate, Ænima, 10k and now FI has inner voices. No mention of leadership/guidance on Lateralus and Undertow though.

[Oculus]

This made me think that people seem to be misguided, need someone strong to guide them, words guide into shadows, martyrs are prepared to lead the way throughout Opiate, Ænima, 10k and now FI has inner voices. No mention of leadership/guidance on Lateralus and Undertow though.

This may be true in a literal sense, but there are examples of "guidance" on those records, both in the sense of betrayal and authentic wisdom:

"Get up and free yourself from yourself.

Locked up inside you,
like the calm beneath castles,
is a cavern of treasures that
noone has been to.
Let's go digging.
Bring it out to take you back in.

You won't do what you'd like to do.
Lay back and let me show you another way."

-

"Give away the stone.
Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor.
Give away the stone.
Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold.
Let go."

-

"So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable."

But this is a difference that is likely worth mentioning. It does set Undertow and Lateralus apart in an interesting way.

[Oculus]

It goes with the title of the song. To cull is to kill, for the good of the heard.

This also touches on the line in Reflection where it is a bit ambiguous what he is actually saying:

"It's calling me..."

It almost sounds like he says "culling" a couple times. So it may not be so cut and dry to strictly accept what MJK reports as the official lyrics.

[UlyssEEEeeeEEEeees]

This may be true in a literal sense, but there are examples of "guidance" on those records, both in the sense of betrayal and authentic wisdom

No theory is perfect I guess. I just mean leadership and guidance in the strictest sense of the word. Outside of that, Third Eye could be the first song on Lateralus. Faaip de Oiad, Lost Keys, and Rosetta Stoned aren't part of the Tool discography.

[gonzo]

Was there an invisible question I'm not seeing? Cause you like, totally answered something nobody asked.

i heard a question. a disembodied voice, perhaps.

[Oculus]

Faaip de Oiad, Lost Keys, and Rosetta Stoned aren't part of the Tool discography.

Could you explain what you mean here a little more? I'm slow.

[UlyssEEEeeeEEEeees]

It probably just doesn't make sense

[PrometheusRising]

This made me think that people seem to be misguided, need someone strong to guide them, words guide into shadows, martyrs are prepared to lead the way throughout Opiate, Ænima, 10k and now FI has inner voices. No mention of leadership/guidance on Lateralus and Undertow though.

Lateralus is a guide to many I'm sure, and unmistakably good

I see what you mean throughout the rest of the albums
There is no shortage of people willing to lead today
The real struggle is distinguishing authentic wisdom from treachery or folly
Like the song 'H' from Ænima
The struggle is real in Faaip de Oiad, Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned

Unresolved and paradoxical

Fear Inoculum offers much to see through the veil and ground yourself
No conclusion though - the battle continues
Both sides remain in balance
Alarmed but lethargic
Physically old but young at heart/in spirit
Haunted yet alone
The calm before the storm
Control your delusions, inhale the clarity

Know the tempest and remember the breath