Relationship with Stinkfist? [Archive]

Schema

02-14-2008, 05:21 PM

Okay. So, earlier I was listening to Undertow, right? Like we usually do. I know I personally set aside an hour and a half to listen to it every day. So, I came upon 4° at some point down the line, two-and-a-half sides in on the vinyl, and, on listening to the intro, I had a sudden thought.

"Hey, don't that sound familiar?" I said to myself, listening to these first thirty seconds or so... but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

Then, later, I put my MP3 player on shuffle. 4° comes up again. Next song after it? Stinkfist. Now I knew where I recognized that sound from!

So, is it just me, or are the intros to Stinkfist and 4° similar?

Also something I noticed is that Stinkfist is a song about how much we are over-stimulated, expressed in a way such that it could be misconstrued as being a song about anal sex, and 4° is a song about how much we need to open to others, expressed in a way such that it could be misconstrued as being a... song about anal sex.

Why am I asking? Because I'm writing this long thing regarding my full interpretation of Ænima, and while I could, in theory, assume this relationship, you know what they say - assuming makes an ass of you and me. I'd love some backing-up.

eapatty01

02-14-2008, 11:12 PM

As far as the intro goes, I don't really hear it. It does carry a similar rhythm to it though.

I think the meanings are sort of similar though. Maynard has referred to both of them as "love songs". They seem to describe a similar relationship. While one is more pushing the other into a change, into something more, and the other more about how such action needs to happen. Almost wanting the other to do that pushing forward to something more.

Schema

02-15-2008, 04:40 PM

As far as the intro goes, I don't really hear it. It does carry a similar rhythm to it though.

That's what I meant, thanks. Phew, I'm not on too much acid.

I think the meanings are sort of similar though. Maynard has referred to both of them as "love songs". They seem to describe a similar relationship. While one is more pushing the other into a change, into something more, and the other more about how such action needs to happen. Almost wanting the other to do that pushing forward to something more.

Hm... interesting interpretation. Thanks muchly. I thought about this a little, where Stinkfist seems a little more... passive than 4° in its attempts for change, in my opinion... Then, it's probably just me.

Schema

02-22-2008, 09:07 AM

wow schema that's a pretty long stretch but if you hear it...
maybe the second riff is a similar pattern of notes, but the first part
of 4 degrees is like some opium den harp effect as opposed to the
digital ponging of Stinkfist

I'd say that the intros... at least follow the same rhythm. As for the second riff? I may have to look into it...

Angel on the Sideline

03-05-2008, 11:17 AM

I don't hear it either.

][ncognito

03-05-2008, 10:38 PM

Sounds pretty cool actually (http://thebreakaway.net/staff/chaz/songs/FourFist.mp3)

I had to slow down Stinkfist a little bit to get them to sync up, and it loses sync after the fourth time because Stinkfist slows down and the feedback comes in. First 3 loops sound really cool though.

Schema

03-06-2008, 06:32 AM

[ncognito;2404170']Sounds pretty cool actually (http://thebreakaway.net/staff/chaz/songs/FourFist.mp3)

I had to slow down Stinkfist a little bit to get them to sync up, and it loses sync after the fourth time because Stinkfist slows down and the feedback comes in. First 3 loops sound really cool though.

Nice. Thanks.

SAGET

03-26-2008, 08:10 PM

Disregard this thread. I don't know what I was thinking when I made it.

setvak

04-21-2008, 05:11 PM

I see what you mean. It's not a striking similarity, but the intro/chorus of 4 Degrees and the chorus of Stinkfist (from a guitarist's perspective) are played with a similar rhythm and are played near similar frets (ie have the same low-high-low contrast). That's my two cents.

blake_bergeron

04-21-2008, 06:58 PM

Inner_Eulogy

04-22-2008, 05:58 AM

4 degrees:
Let's go digging.
Bring it out to take you back in.

Stinkfist:
I'll keep digging till
I feel something.

4 degrees:
Lay back and let me show you another way.

Stinkfist:
Relax, turn around and take my hand.

4 degrees:
You won't feel what you'd like to feel.

Stinkfist:
How can it mean anything to me
If I really don't feel anything at all?

Never stopped to think about them in this light but it is pretty interesting. I don't know if there was a specific intention with this or just similar themes as most of their albums seem to have anyway and we find the similarities in the songs. Pretty cool duality with those lyrics though Blake

Inner_Eulogy

04-22-2008, 08:35 AM

Why does everybody think they're the same rhythm?

THEY'RE NOT

Hey, not everybody thinks that. Actually, it's the first I've heard of it and I didn't see anybody else in this thread that agreed with it either.

Inner_Eulogy

04-22-2008, 08:42 AM

I just meant in this thread, really.

I think there was only one person in here who thought that, really.

Rolo

04-22-2008, 10:42 AM

4° is the angle in which the (stink)fist is entering...elbow deep...

Inner_Eulogy

04-22-2008, 10:46 AM

4° is the angle in which the (stink)fist is entering...elbow deep...

Is not

Rolo

04-22-2008, 10:58 AM

O.K. O.K. shoulder deep, if you will...

Whatever you prefer.

blake_bergeron

04-22-2008, 01:23 PM

eye balls deep...

Rolo

04-22-2008, 02:54 PM

Eeeeeewwww.

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 05:35 AM

Eeeeeewwww.

sorry... that should have been "eyeballs deep"... no space... but on that creepy note... what if your eyes were under your junk and your balls hung from your forehead??? then you would have to wear boxers/briefs/boxer-briefs on your face and sunglasses under your shaft... that would be weird... of course you could get a pretty good look at things when you're getting lucky : ) but you would have to smell balls all day, so i guess that's a negative... don't know how i got here, but it was fun anyway : )

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 09:47 AM

sorry... that should have been "eyeballs deep"... no space... but on that creepy note... what if your eyes were under your junk and your balls hung from your forehead??? then you would have to wear boxers/briefs/boxer-briefs on your face and sunglasses under your shaft... that would be weird... of course you could get a pretty good look at things when you're getting lucky : ) but you would have to smell balls all day, so i guess that's a negative... don't know how i got here, but it was fun anyway : )

I don't know about you but the thought of balls on my face doesn't necessarily sound fun to me.

Enjoy =-)

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 11:57 AM

I don't know about you but the thought of balls on my face doesn't necessarily sound fun to me.

Enjoy =-)

someone else's balls, definitely not... but my/your own balls... might get used to it... especially if it were either that or no balls... your eyes would still be down under though...

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 12:27 PM

someone else's balls, definitely not... but my/your own balls... might get used to it... especially if it were either that or no balls... your eyes would still be down under though...

Um, no....but to each their own

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 12:32 PM

Um, no....but to each their own

yeah, i'm done talking about this too...

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 12:54 PM

yeah, i'm done talking about this too...

Splendid

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 12:58 PM

so back to 4 degrees... the sitar(spelling?) sound at the beginning is really cool...

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 01:02 PM

so back to 4 degrees... the sitar(spelling?) sound at the beginning is really cool...

I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 01:12 PM

I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.

it's actually not that hard to get the sitar sounding effect... i'm sure he used a pedal, but when i play this song i usually pluck the strings as far right as they go, before going into the guitar... it sounds close enough... i also use this technique when playing the intro to 'wish you were here'(floyd not incubus)... then i pluck higher and lower in between the different guitar sounds... they obviously are using two different guitars, but since i don't have 4 arms...4 arms... 4 degrees... WOW...

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 01:17 PM

but since i don't have 4 arms...4 arms... 4 degrees... WOW...

HA

Yast3r

04-23-2008, 01:21 PM

I'd like to learn how to play the guitar myself....tried for about 2weeks years ago and got fed up and impatient and said fuck it...now I have no guitar at all.

I bought a guitar 2 weeks ago, I've yet to catch onto any signs of developing talent. I think I'm going to need to get a good book on it and just play the entire weekend away.

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 01:27 PM

I bought a guitar 2 weeks ago, I've yet to catch onto any signs of developing talent. I think I'm going to need to get a good book on it and just play the entire weekend away.

the first thing you need to learn, no matter what any book tells you, is rhythm... not what chord is what or whatever... if you can get a good rhythm going with your strumming and your picking then it doesn't matter what you play, it will sound half decent... or semi like you know what you're doing... the one thing that makes a bad guiter player is the stiff metronomic(that's a word i made up) strumming that a lot of people do... even people who have played for years... if you've got rhythm, you've got it... that's just my 2 cents...

Yast3r

04-23-2008, 01:32 PM

the first thing you need to learn, no matter what any book tells you, is rhythm... not what chord is what or whatever... if you can get a good rhythm going with your strumming and your picking then it doesn't matter what you play, it will sound half decent... or semi like you know what you're doing... the one thing that makes a bad guiter player is the stiff metronomic(that's a word i made up) strumming that a lot of people do... even people who have played for years... if you've got rhythm, you've got it... that's just my 2 cents...

I've started to get good rhythm going, and I know what you mean by metronomic strumming. I just need to learn how to play some chords now and I think I can kind of learn the rest as I go. The guitar I bought was only 150 dollars so I didn't waste much money if I can never get good.

blake_bergeron

04-23-2008, 01:42 PM

I've started to get good rhythm going, and I know what you mean by metronomic strumming. I just need to learn how to play some chords now and I think I can kind of learn the rest as I go. The guitar I bought was only 150 dollars so I didn't waste much money if I can never get good.

good for you... rhythm is the first step... bad-assness is soon to follow : )

Inner_Eulogy

04-23-2008, 04:41 PM

good for you... rhythm is the first step... bad-assness is soon to follow : )

I had a hard enough time playing simple chords....fuck guitars, they don't like me neither

blake_bergeron

04-24-2008, 05:34 AM

He's a little bit wrong in a way. Some types of music (especially if you're playing with another guitarist) require as perfect of timing as you can get, if you're playing notes of the same rhythmic value for an entire bar or more. Since you're human, you'll still have enough variation on everything to keep it sounding natural, but making sure you can stay on time with, say, a full bar or more of eighth or sixteenth notes, can be very important.

well i don't pay attention to eighth or sixteenth notes or any other musically inclined sounding jargon... i never learned to read music or any of the fundamentals... i started playing and just kept playing and playing... i've played now for about 11 years... i did the band thing a couple of times but now i have a family and have no time for that... my children love the guitar though... they usually beat on my djimbae while i play the guitar... it's fun...

Inner_Eulogy

04-24-2008, 05:42 AM

well i don't pay attention to eighth or sixteenth notes or any other musically inclined sounding jargon... i never learned to read music or any of the fundamentals... i started playing and just kept playing and playing... i've played now for about 11 years... i did the band thing a couple of times but now i have a family and have no time for that... my children love the guitar though... they usually beat on my djimbae while i play the guitar... it's fun...

Maybe I'm just not musically inclined, or perhaps I'm just too lazy to really learn....perhaps I should just buy myself a congo drum or something. Or better yet a kazoo, haha

blake_bergeron

04-24-2008, 05:45 AM

Maybe I'm just not musically inclined, or perhaps I'm just too lazy to really learn....perhaps I should just buy myself a congo drum or something. Or better yet a kazoo, haha

or a sitar... like bill hicks said... "now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig... this is so easy... it's just one note.... now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig"

Inner_Eulogy

04-24-2008, 06:03 AM

or a sitar... like bill hicks said... "now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig... this is so easy... it's just one note.... now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig"

Um, I'm hoping nig isn't what I think it is.

Rolo

04-24-2008, 06:07 AM

Hmmmm, yeah. Makes you think....

blake_bergeron

04-24-2008, 07:13 AM

Hmmmm, yeah. Makes you think....

Um, I'm hoping nig isn't what I think it is.

no no... i don't remember what stand up it's from, revelations maybe... bill talks about being high and playing the sitar... just find it and watch and you will know what i mean... nothing racially offensive by all means... i talk all the time about us all being one... all races, genders, everyone and everything... do you really think i would post something racially offensive??? silly you : )

blake_bergeron

04-24-2008, 07:17 AM

It's from Salvation.

no it's revelations, i looked it up... i don't know how far in, but it's there... just go to youtube or google video and look up " bill hicks revelation "... watch and enjoy : )

blake_bergeron

04-24-2008, 08:16 AM

no it's revelations, i looked it up... i don't know how far in, but it's there... just go to youtube or google video and look up " bill hicks revelation "... watch and enjoy : )

it's 30:00 minutes into revelation... it's funny... "now nig now nig nig nig, now nig now nig nig nig"...

blake_bergeron

04-25-2008, 06:18 AM

The same joke's on the Salvation album. That's what I was referring to.

oh... i haven't heard of that album... when did he record it???

Schema

04-25-2008, 03:50 PM

Right after the 92 election, at Oxford.

It's a cool two-disc show.

It is.

Ding dong, Bush is dead, Bush is dead...

Rolo

04-30-2008, 12:34 PM

It is.

Ding dong, Bush is dead, Bush is dead...

Sad enough that he died so young. The election of Bush Jr. and his 8 years of ruining the U.S.A. crebility worldwide would have made a huge inspiration to him.

We still miss you Bill........

blake_bergeron

05-01-2008, 10:31 AM

Dear Jesus, just thinking about the material Hicks would have with today... that's the interesting thing about the current state of the world, it's as if it's a joke in itself. Comedians are almost redundant at this point; we're living in one of their routines.

life imitating art imitating life... that's the joke...

theamazingtool

05-19-2008, 06:51 PM

blake_bergeron

05-22-2008, 05:17 AM

YES!! i love it!!

i wouldn't say i love living in a police state government run fascist society... no... love is on the complete opposite of that spectrum bro...

theamazingtool

05-22-2008, 01:04 PM

i just love how rivek put it. hes so funny aint he?

theamazingtool

05-23-2008, 07:47 PM

i was serious about loving how u put it. i was sarcastic about the second part, although, i do in fact enjoy your humor, most of the time

theamazingtool

05-25-2008, 07:20 PM

enh. That statement wasn't really a joke in any way. Neither has anything I've said over the past few weeks.

um, ok. i still think what you said about hicks and other comedians about our world today, was a good point, and for that matter, funny in a dark way. whether you humor is intended or not, i like it, most of the time, like i already said.