Too high of expectations

[splints]

If you don't like this single, your expectations are way too high.

Just listen to the goddamn song, it's a new Tool song.

Bitching and bitching about waiting 5 years for something new and we now have it and you just wanna compare it to other shit and bitch about it.


I think this song fucking rocks and it just excites me more for the album, because I know this is probably one of the "worst" tracks.

[justlikeme]

Yeah, I agree. I love the song. think it's great, can't wait for the album and the tour.
As for people complaining. Well you had to see it coming, it always seem people have to create some whining ass conflict about something.
Let them at it I say, most of it is absolute crap. I wouldn't mind if it was constructive, but shit like 'i dont like lalala'
pfft.

[RosettaStoned]

Agreed!

You should all be proud of tool!

[ThePatient666]

I think as soon as people who don't like the song much see it live, their opinions may change.

[tool25]

maybe, but im not seeing the "amazing song" aspect of vicarious. to me its slightly more than mediocre at best.

[tool25]

but i guess everyone has their own opinions so..

[phishman1]

While I completely agree that a lot of people on this forum had very high expectations for the new album, everyone has to remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If everyone thought alike, the world would be a pretty boring place....

Sorry to sound like a grandmother, but it's the truth.

[dischordance]

If you don't like this single, your expectations are way too high.I just expected a decent song.
So I guess you're right.

[justlikeme]

While I completely agree that a lot of people on this forum had very high expectations for the new album, everyone has to remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If everyone thought alike, the world would be a pretty boring place....

Sorry to sound like a grandmother, but it's the truth.


no, I agree with this too. I think people just need to go about expressing their opinion in a bit more of an intelligent way then 'it sucks man, tool are gone mainstream'
pfft. cos OBVIOUSLY you can judge a whole album on one song and all.

[Valediction]

90 percent of the fans like it. It's only a smaller percentage of fans who either:

1.) Aren't sophisticated enough in their musical taste to understand it
2.) Want Tool to sound like they did 10 or 15 years ago.
3.) Want to come bitch on the boards to get attention

If this song was like any of the other songs on Lateralus (think 'Schism') then i could understand the moaning. But it's not, it's a hell of a lot better than that and a return to form. If you can't appreciate how good this song is (especially, how can you compare it to nu metal ? Go listen to Korn's latest, THAT is nu metal, and it doesn't sound like this) then you should just go emo and leave this board

[dischordance]

90 percent of the fans like it. It's only a smaller percentage of fans who either:

1.) Aren't sophisticated enough in their musical taste to understand it
2.) Want Tool to sound like they did 10 or 15 years ago.
3.) Want to come bitch on the boards to get attentionGee, I wish I was sophisticated enough to "understand" the massively complex musical riddle that is Vicarious. I really do.

[Valediction]

Gee, I wish I was sophisticated enough to "understand" the massively complex musical riddle that is Vicarious. I really do.

pfft, okay, I can't wait for your band to become even moderately successful dischordance, because we all know how good you are at writing and performing amazing songs... oh wait....

[Volrath]

Gee, I wish I was sophisticated enough to "understand" the massively complex musical riddle that is Vicarious. I really do.
I know you do, maybe someday it will come... or not.

[Sea of Lies]

Just listen to the goddamn song, it's a new Tool song.



That's pretty much it.

[Dredg]

90 percent of the fans like it. It's only a smaller percentage of fans who either:

1.) Aren't sophisticated enough in their musical taste to understand it
2.) Want Tool to sound like they did 10 or 15 years ago.
3.) Want to come bitch on the boards to get attention


are you kidding?

If anything the sophistication has been lowered.
I dont want Tool to sound like they did 10 or 15 years ago, which is why this single is not as good.

I didnt have any expectations, it just seems like this album lowered on the maturity level. This single should have really been a 4 minute take. If Tool wants to say they are going to sound harder, then they should sound harder...but they dont. They sound weaker and fake. Previous albums the songs sounded like they were played live with raw emotion, this sounds fake and rushed.

[Dredg]

Gee, I wish I was sophisticated enough to "understand" the massively complex musical riddle that is Vicarious. I really do.
hahahahahahahaahahah very funny

[tomXwithXweather]

I don't think it's so much as high expectations as it was different expectations. I remember up until Tool started saying it was going to be harder, people were talking about how they wanted a more progressive album, even more so than Lateralus, which just isn't the case

[Navid]

90 percent of the fans like it. It's only a smaller percentage of fans who either:

1.) Aren't sophisticated enough in their musical taste to understand it
2.) Want Tool to sound like they did 10 or 15 years ago.
3.) Want to come bitch on the boards to get attention

If this song was like any of the other songs on Lateralus (think 'Schism') then i could understand the moaning. But it's not, it's a hell of a lot better than that and a return to form. If you can't appreciate how good this song is (especially, how can you compare it to nu metal ? Go listen to Korn's latest, THAT is nu metal, and it doesn't sound like this) then you should just go emo and leave this board

You are incorrect. You shouldn't attempt to box people into one of those three categories simply because they don't appreciate the single as much as you.

[WEREWOLF]

Gee, I wish I was sophisticated enough to "understand" the massively complex musical riddle that is Vicarious. I really do.

YOU DONT SEEM TO FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. YOU WOULD FIT #3

[Navid]

YOU DONT SEEM TO FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. YOU WOULD FIT #3

I was about to disagree with your point - until I realized how impressively you had capitalized every letter in your post.

[dischordance]

YOU DONT SEEM TO FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. YOU WOULD FIT #3So, I secretly like it but I'm slating it for attention?
Tell me, Sherlock, after almost three years on this forum, if I was that much of an attention whore, don't you think I'd have made more posts than I have already?

[mike tyson]

I wasn't disappointed by the song, per se, but it was somewhat of a let-down. Don't get me wrong, it's a good song, but every Tool album has been extremely different from the one before it. This just seems like it's really similar to Lateralus. It's louder, but it's just Lateralus II that's heavier. Hopefully the rest of the album is more forward-moving.

[Navid]

I wasn't disappointed by the song, per se, but it was somewhat of a let-down. Don't get me wrong, it's a good song, but every Tool album has been extremely different from the one before it. This just seems like it's really similar to Lateralus. It's louder, but it's just Lateralus II that's heavier. Hopefully the rest of the album is more forward-moving.

I would tend to concur.

[Dredg]

I wasn't disappointed by the song, per se, but it was somewhat of a let-down. Don't get me wrong, it's a good song, but every Tool album has been extremely different from the one before it. This just seems like it's really similar to Lateralus. It's louder, but it's just Lateralus II that's heavier. Hopefully the rest of the album is more forward-moving.


Lateralus had that eastern sound to it. This sounds like pure American, nu-metal style right now.

[anonin]

adam jones already said this album didnt take 5 years to make, but rather more like 2, they started working on it in 2004 and blair mentioned MANY times that they created a SELF IMPOSED deadline for this album, so considering how much this single rocks and how much the rest of the album rocks, the 10,000 days album situation is all around killer!

[#Notion]

It's amazing how bothered people that are "sophisticated enough to understand" the single (BAHAHA) get by people typing about what they hear that is't about jizz blowing and vicarious-looping.

[dischordance]

Two years is still a really long time to be working on an album, actually.

[minnull]

I remember when Schism was released and alot of people were not happy with the song. Words like "untool" and "medicore" and "dueling banjos" were tossed around alot. But, when the album was released and people took it in as a whole, many of those people changed their outlook. All I'm saying is Vicarious as a first single has impressed me more than Schism did when it first came out. The King Crimson type outro kicks ass and I hope the album has bits of that laced on the songs.

[RosettaStoned]

Lateralus had that eastern sound to it. This sounds like pure American, nu-metal style right now.
you're right about that. I hope for more difference aswell. Though, Vicarious is a good song.

[Dredg]

I remember when Schism was released and alot of people were not happy with the song. Words like "untool" and "medicore" and "dueling banjos" were tossed around alot. But, when the album was released and people took it in as a whole, many of those people changed their outlook. All I'm saying is Vicarious as a first single has impressed me more than Schism did when it first came out. The King Crimson type outro kicks ass and I hope the album has bits of that laced on the songs.


"King Crimson type outro" please explain......because the Vicarious outro is the exact same thing as the outro to Schism.....

[Quantum]

If you don't like this single, your expectations are way too high.

Just listen to the goddamn song, it's a new Tool song.

Bitching and bitching about waiting 5 years for something new and we now have it and you just wanna compare it to other shit and bitch about it.


I think this song fucking rocks and it just excites me more for the album, because I know this is probably one of the "worst" tracks.

Amen brother, Amen.

[minnull]

"King Crimson type outro" please explain......because the Vicarious outro is the exact same thing as the outro to Schism.....

Really? You hear a schism outro? I'd have to go listen to schism then, i haven't listened to that song in ages.

[anonin]

Two years is still a really long time to be working on an album, actually.

???? how so? it takes however long its going to take, ya know that "creative process" the band is always mentioning in interviews? I'm mostly trying to say that it was clearly stressed this record was made under a self imposed deadline, if that self imposed deadline didnt exist, they would probably still be in the recording studio and no one on this forum would have a single to bitch about how much it sucks.

[dischordance]

???? how so?I'm just saying that in comparison with most bands, Tool spent a lot of time on this album. Just recording it seemed to take almost a year - whereas a lot, if not most, albums are recorded in two weeks (Ænima included).
You made it sound like two years wasn't an unusually long period of time to be working on an album, that's all. Sorry if I misunderstood.